Kessel's not worth a low 1st rounder, 2 salary dumps and a good young prospect. Do people listen to themselves
- bmoney411

Could I say the same for the people who think Kessel makes us a Cup contender? That is just as funny.

Could I say the same for the people who think Kessel makes us a Cup contender? That is just as funny.
- Oneonta Penguin

Kessel is a damn good goal scorer, would be dynamite with Sid or Geno, but we have no room nor the prospects/picks to pull that trade off. Not sure why everyone is talking about it.

No kidding that's a putrid offer.... Would like to see them go up to 1.5.-7
- nelson911

I would have given him 2 years for 3.5 mil total.... I think he deserved that.

Kessel is a damn good goal scorer, would be dynamite with Sid or Geno, but we have no room nor the prospects/picks to pull that trade off. Not sure why everyone is talking about it.
- usethe1-2-2

I wouldn't mind us overloading the top 2 lines and playing "Sid and Geno vs the world" for once... but not with Kessel. I'd love him here, but just way too much to obtain him.

I would have given him 2 years for 3.5 mil total.... I think he deserved that.
- Guile

He deserves it but not sure if want to give it to him especially if we trade for a large contract. We have a few capable 4th liners in WBS.

Tikhonov was being reported by a different Russian paper to be coming here. Not sure if it is true though it seems to be just chatter and no one is posting links to the russian paper.

As for the Comeau thing does anyone have a link or tweet that confirms this information?
- usethe1-2-2

All I saw was an article a couple of days ago saying both wanted to play together.. So hopefully both on elc. But that scares me they will jump ship if they don't make team... And that's BC guys like spaling kuni etc will still be on team.

It would be cool to see those guys with Malkin tho

He deserves it but not sure if want to give it to him especially if we trade for a large contract. We have a few capable 4th liners in WBS.
- Victoro311

Shhh according to some we don't have any in wbs and need guys like downie comeau etc..

Could I say the same for the people who think Kessel makes us a Cup contender? That is just as funny.
- Oneonta Penguin

You guys are pretty much teetering on that fence now. How would adding one of the best wingers in the game not push the pens over the top?.... I think a deal between the Pens and Leafs for Kessel would be hard to do. If it did happen they most certainly will be giving up more then what that other poster is saying.

Watching the draft special right now on NHL network, I remember when spiked hair and frosted tips were in

I would have given him 2 years for 3.5 mil total.... I think he deserved that.
- Guile

Yea the pens don't need to crap on him. He put on a good year for 700k at .5ppg. My guess is they are slotting him on the fourth line at that point.

You guys are pretty much teetering on that fence now. How would adding one of the best wingers in the game not push the pens over the top?.... I think a deal between the Pens and Leafs for Kessel would be hard to do. If it did happen they most certainly will be giving up more then what that other poster is saying.
- bmoney411

We aren't even teetering on the fence for being a Cup contender. We aren't close.

Hence the fact that Kessel doesn't really help the situation. He can score and give us what we are lacking, however his 8 million salary coupled with our top three made it stupid to put 50% of the cap on four players and what we lose getting him in the first place offsets what Kessel brings. We fall drastically in other areas ... therefore, its a dumb idea.

Throw my hat in with the guys that would love a Kessel trade.

I dont think the cost to acquire him is as sky high as people think, he has a list of 8 teams and we are the only one that is remotely interested in trading for him. Toronto cant really keep him, that relationship is way to far gone, they can talk all they want about keeping him but the reality is he has to be traded.

Its definitely costing us Pouliot, and that sucks, add Kapanen who I dont care about because I dont see anything in him but bust. We can definitely dump salary back to Toronto.

I dont think this trade hurts us in the future as much as people think, or cap. From the sounds of it JR has successfully attracted 2 of the KHLs top players, Tikanov is probably going to cost us lets say 3M, combined the two are 4M.

Adding a player of Kessels ilk makes the Pens a serious threat, how many players are going to the Hawks because they are the top team? An investment like Kessel could produce more top talent from the college/KHL ranks.

Also as much as Hornqvist is a perfect compliment for Crosby, Kessel may be even better. There may not be another player in the league that can score at speed like Kessel (probably OV), and there certainly isnt a player in the league that can dish at speed like Crosby.

I say pull the trigger.

Throw my hat in with the guys that would love a Kessel trade.

I dont think the cost to acquire him is as sky high as people think, he has a list of 8 teams and we are the only one that is remotely interested in trading for him. Toronto cant really keep him, that relationship is way to far gone, they can talk all they want about keeping him but the reality is he has to be traded.

Its definitely costing us Pouliot, and that sucks, add Kapanen who I dont care about because I dont see anything in him but bust. We can definitely dump salary back to Toronto.

I dont think this trade hurts us in the future as much as people think, or cap. From the sounds of it JR has successfully attracted 2 of the KHLs top players, Tikanov is probably going to cost us lets say 3M, combined the two are 4M.

Adding a player of Kessels ilk makes the Pens a serious threat, how many players are going to the Hawks because they are the top team? An investment like Kessel could produce more top talent from the college/KHL ranks.

Also as much as Hornqvist is a perfect compliment for Crosby, Kessel may be even better. There may not be another player in the league that can score at speed like Kessel (probably OV), and there certainly isnt a player in the league that can dish at speed like Crosby.

I say pull the trigger.
- stackthepads

I brought this to people's attention earlier that U.S. And the Fluers are really the only two that could/would have interest in a Kessel trade out of his eight teams. All we would have to do is put together a good enough deal if Toronto is dead set on moving the Phil.

All I saw was an article a couple of days ago saying both wanted to play together.. So hopefully both on elc. But that scares me they will jump ship if they don't make team... And that's BC guys like spaling kuni etc will still be on team.

It would be cool to see those guys with Malkin tho
- nh4442

Tikhonov was drafted, will be 27, can't get an ELC

Tikhonov was drafted, will be 27, can't get an ELC
- usethe1-2-2

Ya I realized that after I posted.. Not sure how much he would want.. If its anything over 3 someone else has to go..

But I did twitter search #pens and then #tikhonov some great stuff out there lol

Throw my hat in with the guys that would love a Kessel trade.

I dont think the cost to acquire him is as sky high as people think, he has a list of 8 teams and we are the only one that is remotely interested in trading for him. Toronto cant really keep him, that relationship is way to far gone, they can talk all they want about keeping him but the reality is he has to be traded.

Its definitely costing us Pouliot, and that sucks, add Kapanen who I dont care about because I dont see anything in him but bust. We can definitely dump salary back to Toronto.

I dont think this trade hurts us in the future as much as people think, or cap. From the sounds of it JR has successfully attracted 2 of the KHLs top players, Tikanov is probably going to cost us lets say 3M, combined the two are 4M.

Adding a player of Kessels ilk makes the Pens a serious threat, how many players are going to the Hawks because they are the top team? An investment like Kessel could produce more top talent from the college/KHL ranks.

Also as much as Hornqvist is a perfect compliment for Crosby, Kessel may be even better. There may not be another player in the league that can score at speed like Kessel (probably OV), and there certainly isnt a player in the league that can dish at speed like Crosby.

I say pull the trigger.
- stackthepads

Thank you! I've been trying to make a point for the last hour here.

And I am a penguins fan! They are my playoff team(because Crosby is awesome and the leafs never make it)

Ya I realized that after I posted.. Not sure how much he would want.. If its anything over 3 someone else has to go..

But I did twitter search #pens and then #tikhonov some great stuff out there lol
- nh4442

He's not gonna command anything over 2.

I brought this to people's attention earlier that U.S. And the Fluers are really the only two that could/would have interest in a Kessel trade out of his eight teams. All we would have to do is put together a good enough deal if Toronto is dead set on moving the Phil.
- Victoro311

Yeah this is true, also another big part is Rutherford. He's going to make a deal tomorrow no doubt. Would he get a good enough deal in his eyes to take it? Would ownership push the deal through thinking it will help boost value so they can sell high? Let's face it, Kessel will sell massive jerseys in Pittsburgh (no pun intended). Maybe the threat of the Flyers getting Kessel makes Ruth jump as well.

Thank you! I've been trying to make a point for the last hour here.

And I am a penguins fan! They are my playoff team(because Crosby is awesome and the leafs never make it)

- Canadianleaf

Kessel Crosby Hornqvist may be the closest thing to the perfect offensive line that could be created in the NHL. The speed of that attack would be ridiculous, coupled with the puck retrieval/net front of Hornqivst.

Throw my hat in with the guys that would love a Kessel trade.

I dont think the cost to acquire him is as sky high as people think, he has a list of 8 teams and we are the only one that is remotely interested in trading for him. Toronto cant really keep him, that relationship is way to far gone, they can talk all they want about keeping him but the reality is he has to be traded.

Its definitely costing us Pouliot, and that sucks, add Kapanen who I dont care about because I dont see anything in him but bust. We can definitely dump salary back to Toronto.

I dont think this trade hurts us in the future as much as people think, or cap. From the sounds of it JR has successfully attracted 2 of the KHLs top players, Tikanov is probably going to cost us lets say 3M, combined the two are 4M.

Adding a player of Kessels ilk makes the Pens a serious threat, how many players are going to the Hawks because they are the top team? An investment like Kessel could produce more top talent from the college/KHL ranks.

Also as much as Hornqvist is a perfect compliment for Crosby, Kessel may be even better. There may not be another player in the league that can score at speed like Kessel (probably OV), and there certainly isnt a player in the league that can dish at speed like Crosby.

I say pull the trigger.
- stackthepads

When you continue to raise that percentage of top four players closer to the 50% of the cap level (would be 47%), there becomes bigger problems. This has been one of the worst problems of this organization, as what happens, you have to fill your roster with Craig Adams types. You can't continue to trade away young talented assets, who do fit nicely in the cap. Outside of that, we will be looking for another Dman if Pouliot goes the other way. Enter Franson and his nice 5.5 cap hit that will be coming. I see lots of problems with this. It's Pouliot, Kapanen, another first round pick being sent out of town (the practice has got to stop at some point). Without a second round pick in getting that rental Daniel Winnick, we could be staring at our first pick in the third round ... this coming after a draft where we had a 2nd and 7th.

Same old poop with this organization, if this type of deal goes down.

We aren't even teetering on the fence for being a Cup contender. We aren't close.

Hence the fact that Kessel doesn't really help the situation. He can score and give us what we are lacking, however his 8 million salary coupled with our top three made it stupid to put 50% of the cap on four players and what we lose getting him in the first place offsets what Kessel brings. We fall drastically in other areas ... therefore, its a dumb idea.
- Oneonta Penguin

How aren't the Pens close to contenders? Just last year people consider the Pens a contender. You even made the playoffs this year despite some injuries to key players. Nothings changed really. If a deal did go down losing that low 1st rounder wouldn't hurt and Maatta does not have a significant role yet. Leafs want picks or young players with potential. Your roster would still be in-tack. Rolling with virtually 2 first lines isn't worth the money?

How aren't the Pens close to contenders? Just last year people consider the Pens a contender. You even made the playoffs this year despite some injuries to key players. Nothings changed really. If a deal did go down losing that low 1st rounder wouldn't hurt and Maatta does not have a significant role yet. Leafs want picks or young players with potential. Your roster would still be in-tack. Rolling with virtually 2 first lines isn't worth the money?
- bmoney411

Maatta has a huge role and did last year too. He is expected to be paired with Letang. Factor that he also comes with a rookie salary. We would have to sign Franson etc for 5+. I don't think it will happen unless we can get a killer deal.

Bet you'd love him on your team though ...

How aren't the Pens close to contenders? Just last year people consider the Pens a contender. You even made the playoffs this year despite some injuries to key players. Nothings changed really. If a deal did go down losing that low 1st rounder wouldn't hurt and Maatta does not have a significant role yet. Leafs want picks or young players with potential. Your roster would still be in-tack. Rolling with virtually 2 first lines isn't worth the money?
- bmoney411

If you watched a single game and did some serious research, you would understand why. We have glaring problems everywhere. It would be foolish to deal Maatta. We have just as many problems on defense. People who have watched the Penguins and see what returns see this. You obviously don't. It's a joke really. Trading Maatta in this would be asinine. He has a role, a BIG ONE. Have you watched him play? I don't think you have.

Yea the pens don't need to crap on him. He put on a good year for 700k at .5ppg. My guess is they are slotting him on the fourth line at that point.
- nelson911

If Spaling is traded (highly highly doubt) Comeau would be a great veteran presence with skill for the 4th line, that can slot up at 1.5 mil.