Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!" Joined: 03.09.2006
Jun 27 @ 2:27 AM ET
All because, he hasn't fixed everything in his second draft?
Never mind the fact that he had no time to prepare for the first draft.
Jesus... With all the pi$$ing and moaning... I'm not even sure we deserve a winner.
This is going to take time guys. It's a sellers market-- Lot's of teams trying to dump their bad contracts and aging players.
Much is to be settled yet, but the Canucks are not losing the 2016 or 2017 Stanley Cup because, of the first round of this draft. - rugdnit
We might not be losing it, but we certainly aren't winning it either, and I think what is making people anxious is that LA, Calgary and Edmonton got better today and Vancouver did not. We are still stuck with several NTC core players and 3 goaltenders, two of which will be demanding raises/playing time in the NHL or will walk at the end of next season.
That being said, it is going to take some time to make all the changes needed, but the process is slow and it appears as if TL and JB are dragging their feet and utilizing poor asset management by being unwilling to make trades even if they aren't home runs. This was the same sort of criticism leveled at Burke, Nonis and Gillis.
All because, he hasn't fixed everything in his second draft?
Never mind the fact that he had no time to prepare for the first draft.
Jesus... With all the pi$$ing and moaning... I'm not even sure we deserve a winner.
This is going to take time guys. It's a sellers market-- Lot's of teams trying to dump their bad contracts and aging players.
Much is to be settled yet, but the Canucks are not losing the 2016 or 2017 Stanley Cup because, of the first round of this draft. - rugdnit
Most of the moves today were for good young players with some space before they become UFAs and draft picks. We're thin on both fronts. With salaries rising faster than the cap, those cheap, young, team controlled players are more important than ever. I'm not surprised that we were shut out.
Ideally, Benning is able to ship out Lack and some salary (Biekas, Burrows, Higgins, etc, I don't really care who) and recoup some picks in the second, but even if he doesn't it's not the end of the world, he'll still have the rest of the summer to make those moves, it'll just be for prospects or future draft picks.
The sooner the better though. Those moves do have to be made. We've got about a million RFAs that are suddenly waiver eligible, and I'd hate to get painted into a corner again, Gillis style.
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA Joined: 11.29.2006
Jun 27 @ 2:46 AM ET
We might not be losing it, but we certainly aren't winning it either, and I think what is making people anxious is that LA, Calgary and Edmonton got better today and Vancouver did not. We are still stuck with several NTC core players and 3 goaltenders, two of which will be demanding raises/playing time in the NHL or will walk at the end of next season.
That being said, it is going to take some time to make all the changes needed, but the process is slow and it appears as if TL and JB are dragging their feet and utilizing poor asset management by being unwilling to make trades even if they aren't home runs. This was the same sort of criticism leveled at Burke, Nonis and Gillis. - DariusKnight
I for one will enjoy Lucic beating on Kesler more often. Can they exist in the same town? Or will there be drivebys?
People need to temper their expectations. This mess has been brewing for much longer than the 2012 LA beatdown.
The team Benning is building is 4-5 years away.
Even the players we have coming are not going to plug right in and excel. It will take them a year or two or 3 to hit their stride.
I just don't see this team doing anything until that D-Core is rebuilt. Tomorrow will be the day we should decide if we riot or not, but freaking out over the first round?
Most GM's are very careful with those first rounders. Let's see what magic ( if any ) JB has up his sleeve tomorrow. The gems are in the rough. Can he find them? Or should we burn his house down first?
Most of the moves today were for good young players with some space before they become UFAs and draft picks. We're thin on both fronts. With salaries rising faster than the cap, those cheap, young, team controlled players are more important than ever. I'm not surprised that we were shut out.
Ideally, Benning is able to ship out Lack and some salary (Biekas, Burrows, Higgins, etc, I don't really care who) and recoup some picks in the second, but even if he doesn't it's not the end of the world, he'll still have the rest of the summer to make those moves, it'll just be for prospects or future draft picks.
The sooner the better though. Those moves do have to be made. We've got about a million RFAs that are suddenly waiver eligible, and I'd hate to get painted into a corner again, Gillis style. - CubanBuffet
We pretty much are painted in a corner right now. Our assets are too hard to move, and we aren't willing to give up futures. Benning has been purchasing lottery tickets in hopes of hitting the jackpot, but the odds are stacked against him. I'm sure we will see some movement in regards to Bieksa and a goalie, but we are in for a rude awakening next season. I honestly didn't expect our rivals were going to make big moves. Caught me completely off guard. My outlook for next season is completely different then it was 24 hours ago.
We might not be losing it, but we certainly aren't winning it either, and I think what is making people anxious is that LA, Calgary and Edmonton got better today and Vancouver did not. We are still stuck with several NTC core players and 3 goaltenders, two of which will be demanding raises/playing time in the NHL or will walk at the end of next season.
That being said, it is going to take some time to make all the changes needed, but the process is slow and it appears as if TL and JB are dragging their feet and utilizing poor asset management by being unwilling to make trades even if they aren't home runs. This was the same sort of criticism leveled at Burke, Nonis and Gillis. - DariusKnight
I get the frustration. This team needs a lot of work, much of which needs to be done fairly quickly or we risk losing assets for nothing, and today is a day that you can get quite a lot of it done. But as much if a let down as it is, I'd rather do nothing then do something stupid just to be doing something. Boston was crazy busy today, and added a shlt ton of young pieces, but we still had a better draft than a them.
I for one will enjoy Lucic beating on Kesler more often. Can they exist in the same town? Or will there be drivebys?
People need to temper their expectations. This mess has been brewing for much longer than the 2012 LA beatdown.
The team Benning is building is 4-5 years away.
Even the players we have coming are not going to plug right in and excel. It will take them a year or two or 3 to hit their stride.
I just don't see this team doing anything until that D-Core is rebuilt. Tomorrow will be the day we should decide if we riot or not, but freaking out over the first round?
Most GM's are very careful with those first rounders. Let's see what magic ( if any ) JB has up his sleeve tomorrow. The gems are in the rough. Can he find them? Or should we burn his house down first? - rugdnit
D-Core is in need of some fixing. I remember that you are high on Clendenning, but I hope people don't expect him and Corrado to improve the corps next season. We would be lucky if performances remained static.
I get the frustration. This team needs a lot of work, much of which needs to be done fairly quickly or we risk losing assets for nothing, and today is a day that you can get quite a lot of it done. But as much if a let down as it is, I'd rather do nothing then do something stupid just to be doing something. Boston was crazy busy today, and added a shlt ton of young pieces, but we still had a better draft than a them. - CubanBuffet
I bet they will be big players at FA. Look for a Chara trade at the TDL.
We might not be losing it, but we certainly aren't winning it either, and I think what is making people anxious is that LA, Calgary and Edmonton got better today and Vancouver did not. We are still stuck with several NTC core players and 3 goaltenders, two of which will be demanding raises/playing time in the NHL or will walk at the end of next season.
That being said, it is going to take some time to make all the changes needed, but the process is slow and it appears as if TL and JB are dragging their feet and utilizing poor asset management by being unwilling to make trades even if they aren't home runs. This was the same sort of criticism leveled at Burke, Nonis and Gillis. - DariusKnight
I really don't understand why so many people think this team can rebuild and compete man for man against all the teams in our division at the same time? They say they are prepared to go through the growing pains of the process but they were calling the rebuild a fail as early at the 1st round of the playoffs in the GM's first season.
It was Gillis' job to take a roster that was ready and top it off to contend. Most of the work was done for him. He didn't have to draft players and wait for them to develop... he didn't have to scout all those players and make choices along the way. Reasons to criticize do not compare at all with Gillis' and JB.... JB has (frank) all to work with now but *time*.
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!" Joined: 03.09.2006
Jun 27 @ 3:29 AM ET
I for one will enjoy Lucic beating on Kesler more often. Can they exist in the same town? Or will there be drivebys?
People need to temper their expectations. This mess has been brewing for much longer than the 2012 LA beatdown.
The team Benning is building is 4-5 years away.
Even the players we have coming are not going to plug right in and excel. It will take them a year or two or 3 to hit their stride.
I just don't see this team doing anything until that D-Core is rebuilt. Tomorrow will be the day we should decide if we riot or not, but freaking out over the first round?
Most GM's are very careful with those first rounders. Let's see what magic ( if any ) JB has up his sleeve tomorrow. The gems are in the rough. Can he find them? Or should we burn his house down first? - rugdnit
We should be freaking out, everyone knows this team is going nowhere, I totally agree with Vantel on that point. The thing is, we ran Gillis out of town because he couldn't make a trade to save his life that he didn't end up getting bent over by other GMs and only Tallon in Florida would take his calls. We drop him and then FA air drops Trevor Linden in as the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, who immediately turns around and hires Jim Benning who's supposed to be this great scout and evaluator of talent and tries to sell us on this idea of "Change Is Coming".
The fact of the matter is, everything he's done so far is exactly the same as Gillis. You can blame Gillis for leaving Benning with a mess to clean up, but he hasn't made any headway on it yet. Other than a few minor deals that aren't meant to do anything but complement the core right now and the core to come, what has he really done?
I think the fact that it was reported (whether it was speculation or not or rumor or what have you) by several respected hockey analysts that there was a deal in place to trade Bieksa and he had agreed to waive and had a potential contract extension agreed to in place with SJ and it fell apart scares the crap out of me. Why would you not pull the trigger on the deal? If it was even close to what was rumored that SJ was offering, why not jump at it? How much more does Benning expect to be able to get for Bieksa? Why are we not hearing anything about Lack or Markstrom? Even rumored deals with other teams? That's the problem.
EDIT: Per Booner's post above, I'm more pissed about the Hamilton deal to Calgary than Lucic to LA, because if that's what they got for Hamilton, why didn't Benning at least try to match or even sweeten the stakes? If only to try and drive the price up for Calgary and make it more expensive for them to acquire a franchise D. Calgary basically sold 3 lottery tickets to Boston and got Hamilton and we can't even pull the trigger on Kevin Bieksa...
Not to mention Buffalo sends a 1st round pick for Robin Lehner and a cap dump to Ottawa and the Rangers get offered 2 seconds for Talbot and turn it down and here's Benning trying to trade either Lack or Markstrom and can't even get a sniff.
There seemed to be disagreement over the year of the second-round pick involved, a source said; the Sharks wanted to send a second-rounder from 2016 and the Canucks wanted a second-rounder for 2015. And if the pick was going to be 2016, I think the Canucks wanted another, lower pick also thrown in to compensate for waiting a year on the second-round pick.
Bottom line, the trade didn’t happen. Whether both clubs can get it back on track remains to be seen. The Canucks may reach out to other teams now.
So basically the asking price was just the 39th overall pick but SJ wanted to do next year's pick, Benning wanted another pick added this year in that case and SJ said no.
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We have no picks in day 2 who cares. I'm done with this franchise, - manvanfan
Trades are still allowed on day 2 as long as Benning and Linden don't sleep in past 10 local time.
Plus sometimes players ranked in the top 40 fall into the late 2nd or even 3rd round so it may not even have to be a high pick to get one of those guys.
Would love to get Roy, but I'm 100% sure he'll be gone within the first 5 picks tomorrow.
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!" Joined: 03.09.2006
Jun 27 @ 6:13 AM ET
Trades are still allowed on day 2 as long as Benning and Linden don't sleep in past 10 local time.
Plus sometimes players ranked in the top 40 fall into the late 2nd or even 3rd round so it may not even have to be a high pick to get one of those guys.
Would love to get Roy, but I'm 100% sure he'll be gone within the first 5 picks tomorrow. - Nucker101
I don't see anything happening sadly, unless he's got a deal in place already, most deals today are going to be of the minor variety and very few players will be moved for picks unless they're C or D grade prospects being moved to clear contract/roster space or late round picks being swapped for future considerations.
BREAKING: Eddie Lack has been dealt to the #hurricanes.
The Vancouver Canucks are sending the 27-year-old goaltender to the Hurricanes in exchange for a third-round pick in Saturday’s draft and a seventh-rounder next year, according to two sources.
BREAKING: Eddie Lack has been dealt to the #hurricanes.
The Vancouver Canucks are sending the 27-year-old goaltender to the Hurricanes in exchange for a third-round pick in Saturday’s draft and a seventh-rounder next year, according to two sources. - LeftCoaster
BREAKING: Eddie Lack has been dealt to the #hurricanes.
The Vancouver Canucks are sending the 27-year-old goaltender to the Hurricanes in exchange for a third-round pick in Saturday’s draft and a seventh-rounder next year, according to two sources. - LeftCoaster
Tough market unless your uncle is giving you a 1st rounder I guess. Hopefully Benning can use his drafting magic to get a good player in the third round.
