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AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 27 @ 3:02 PM ET
It's more likely that St. Louis is moving on from Jackman because he's 35.
- MJL


I have read otherwise, but i have no issues with you holding onto your "more than likely" if you haven't done any reading and are just offering an opinion based on not reading
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 27 @ 3:03 PM ET
Because Duncan Keith isn't available.
- MJL


Now that's intelligent
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:06 PM ET
I have read otherwise, but i have no issues with you holding onto your "more than likely" if you haven't done any reading and are just offering an opinion based on not reading
- AllInForFlyers


How do you know what I've read?
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 27 @ 3:07 PM ET
Now that's intelligent
- Just5


Impressed every day how you old-schoolers have dealt with that for as long as you have
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:07 PM ET
Now that's intelligent
- Just5


It actually is, if you look at the reasoning behind the comment. It's far more intelligent than thinking that GM's are making decisions based on watching the Cup finals.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 27 @ 3:08 PM ET
How do you know what I've read?
- MJL


You misunderstand

I don't give a damn what you read, because I know what I read
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:11 PM ET
You misunderstand

I don't give a damn what you read, because I know what I read

- AllInForFlyers


I understood quite well. St. Louis has some younger players in Lindholm and Bertuzzo who they traded for, who they want to give a chance, so age is definitely a factor. They also are open to Jackman returning in the right situation.
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Jun 27 @ 3:13 PM ET
Does anyone else feel like you just went shopping for some great ingredients for a big festive meal? You got most of the list and are salivating a little.
You watch the cook put the ingredients in and have to wait a few years to eat.
But in the meantime, you can smell it cooking..........
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 27 @ 3:14 PM ET
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 27 @ 3:16 PM ET

- Giroux_Is_God


Nah, not today -- not even remotely in the mood, got storm damage to deal with before the day ends
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:16 PM ET

- Giroux_Is_God

love that line
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:21 PM ET
haha i hope youre being as facetious as i was.

i dont think the pens d is in awesome shape right now, but the only one i would think schenn would beat out would be scuderi's rotting corpse.

i dont think perron is simmonds equal, but i do think he will hover around 25 to 28 goals this year. not too awful.

probably not too far from where simmer will be.

- stayinthefnnet

yeah, tongue definitely in cheek.
at 3.8M, 25-30 goals isn't too bad
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 27 @ 3:21 PM ET
love that line
- Crimsoninja

Love that entire movie. One of my favorites off all time
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 27 @ 3:22 PM ET
It actually is, if you look at the reasoning behind the comment. It's far more intelligent than thinking that GM's are making decisions based on watching the Cup finals.
- MJL


Aneheim GM on the Carl Hagelin trade

"We can play with some speed now," the Ducks GM explained. "If you watched Tampa Bay and Chicago, that was pretty quick. You see who's in the finals and you see how we got beat - the speed element of the game is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. So we have to move along with the times, and we got a guy that can really skate"


But maybe you are right. Luke Schenn is probably the next best thing to Duncan Keith
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 27 @ 3:24 PM ET
Aneheim GM on the Carl Hagelin trade

"We can play with some speed now," the Ducks GM explained. "If you watched Tampa Bay and Chicago, that was pretty quick. You see who's in the finals and you see how we got beat - the speed element of the game is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. So we have to move along with the times, and we got a guy that can really skate"


But maybe you are right. Luke Schenn is probably the next best thing to Duncan Keith

- Just5


I know it is difficult to resist the urge, and I couldn't the other day, but let it go

We all know what it is, and he still manages to pick someone off every day
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 27 @ 3:28 PM ET
A little disappointed no Dman was dealt, but I still think they can pick up a 3rd for Grossman, definitely Schenn.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:28 PM ET
Things were so happy and cordial yesterday
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:30 PM ET
Love that entire movie. One of my favorites off all time
- Giroux_Is_God

i remember being so against that casting choice when i first heard about it

did a full 180 after actually seeing him in it
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:39 PM ET
Things were so happy and cordial yesterday
- nails


Kim dillabaugh is our new goalie coach as per panotch.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:41 PM ET
Aneheim GM on the Carl Hagelin trade

"We can play with some speed now," the Ducks GM explained. "If you watched Tampa Bay and Chicago, that was pretty quick. You see who's in the finals and you see how we got beat - the speed element of the game is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. So we have to move along with the times, and we got a guy that can really skate"


But maybe you are right. Luke Schenn is probably the next best thing to Duncan Keith

- Just5


What is being overlooked is that yea, teams want to get faster, and more skilled, to compete with the better teams in the league. The problem is that can be a long term goal of a GM, but it's not always possible immediately. So they look at the short term and say, if I can't get the ideal player I want, or I have to wait for prospects in that mold to develop and become ready for the NHL, to add that element, what can I do in the short term, with little risk to make my team better and more competitive now? A GM may think we spend a lot of time defending and killing penalties, and we get pushed around a little in out own zone, so maybe I can get a player like Grossmann, to help out in those areas on the short term, while we develop players to try and get a well rounded fast team like Chicago. It's not a utopia where every team has the perfect situation, and deals for the most ideal player, aren't always readily available, so they look at short term stop gap solutions to improve their team any way they can in the mean time. That's why there is still a role in the NHL for players like Grossmann and Schenn.

The statement of Schenn being the next best thing to Keith is just hyperbole. Nothing close to that was stated.

One other thing, the Rangers had Carl Hagelin, and they got beat by TB.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:42 PM ET
Aneheim GM on the Carl Hagelin trade

"We can play with some speed now," the Ducks GM explained. "If you watched Tampa Bay and Chicago, that was pretty quick. You see who's in the finals and you see how we got beat - the speed element of the game is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. So we have to move along with the times, and we got a guy that can really skate"


But maybe you are right. Luke Schenn is probably the next best thing to Duncan Keith

- Just5

Look I know you are mad about not trading a Dman and so am I. I wish it happened today for a 2nd or third but it didn't. But to then jump to the conclusion that those guys have no value just isn't sensible. To point out what one GM said related to a forward and team speed just isn't sensible. To point to the cup winner and say see! Well may I suggest that if Luke Schenn or Grossman were on the Black Hawks they would have played more then Kimmo and helped alleviate time from the big two. CHI would have been very happy to have one of those guys this year. They are supporting caste and that is why they may (still) bring back a 2nd or 3rd and not a big pay day. Just my opinion but Bill agrees and that's good enough for me.

nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:42 PM ET
Kim dillabaugh is our new goalie coach as per panotch.
- Hextall271

I know nothing about him, but word on the street is that he isnquality.
he certainly has plenty of guys to look at after today
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:43 PM ET
Aneheim GM on the Carl Hagelin trade

"We can play with some speed now," the Ducks GM explained. "If you watched Tampa Bay and Chicago, that was pretty quick. You see who's in the finals and you see how we got beat - the speed element of the game is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. So we have to move along with the times, and we got a guy that can really skate"


But maybe you are right. Luke Schenn is probably the next best thing to Duncan Keith

- Just5

Why bother, he's find a sneaky way to back track and play with his words.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:44 PM ET
would dallas want luke schenn?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:44 PM ET
Look I know you are mad about not trading a Dman and so am I. I wish it happened today for a 2nd or third but it didn't. But to then jump to the conclusion that those guys have no value just isn't sensible. To point out what one GM said related to a forward and team speed just isn't sensible. To point to the cup winner and say see! Well may I suggest that if Luke Schenn or Grossman were on the Black Hawks they would have played more then Kimmo and helped alleviate time from the big two. CHI would have been very happy to have one of those guys this year. They are supporting caste and that is why they may (still) bring back a 2nd or 3rd and not a big pay day. Just my opinion but Bill agrees and that's good enough for me.
- coffee junkie



Well said, the return may not be that high, or what we want, but they still have value in the league.
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