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JCSabs06
Buffalo Sabres
Location: The Edge...The only people who really know where it is have gone over
Joined: 09.06.2012

Jun 27 @ 3:12 PM ET
I like to think of it as money, and money as my soldiers.
When I send my money (soldiers) out, I always want them to come back with more, prisoners of war.
Murray's never ever come back with more!!
Perhaps some of you or most are enamored by him.
Well, i'm emphatically not.
But hey as once said..."different strokes".

- BuffaloHardHat


I like the concrete guy talking about money
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:12 PM ET
OMG!! Don't ever,ever, ever call me such a denagrating adjective~!


- MEBSabresFAN

Thats your nickname. And when you said it the way you did to someone, it was degrading.
MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 27 @ 3:15 PM ET
Thats your nickname. And when you said it the way you did to someone, it was degrading.
- Mentalorgasm5


That's ok, "Cool Kid"

You can call me momma whenever you like......I'm glad she has such crafty rent-a-cop
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 27 @ 3:17 PM ET
Dan Rosen ‏@drosennhl · 2m2 minutes ago
The Rangers have acquired Antti Raanta from the Blackhawks for Ryan Haggerty. So Raanta is now Lundqvist's backup.

TRADES!!!!!
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:18 PM ET
Dan Rosen ‏@drosennhl · 2m2 minutes ago
The Rangers have acquired Antti Raanta from the Blackhawks for Ryan Haggerty. So Raanta is now Lundqvist's backup.

TRADES!!!!!

- Stripes77

Why am I not surprised that the blackhawks and leafs mismanaged the draft and the assets they were trying to move?
MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 27 @ 3:18 PM ET
Dan Rosen ‏@drosennhl · 2m2 minutes ago
The Rangers have acquired Antti Raanta from the Blackhawks for Ryan Haggerty. So Raanta is now Lundqvist's backup.

TRADES!!!!!

- Stripes77


Are they preparing for a big trade? or just dusting off the shelves?
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 27 @ 3:19 PM ET
Dan Rosen ‏@drosennhl · 2m2 minutes ago
The Rangers have acquired Antti Raanta from the Blackhawks for Ryan Haggerty. So Raanta is now Lundqvist's backup.

TRADES!!!!!

- Stripes77



I want trades now
MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 27 @ 3:20 PM ET
I want trades now
- gerbe75pts


Haven't you heard?

You're supposed to collect prospects and place them in cement like Pokemon cards
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 27 @ 3:21 PM ET
Are they preparing for a big trade? or just dusting off the shelves?
- MEBSabresFAN


With Darling in Chicago, they needed to move one.

I don't think this has the smell of something bigger, at least not yet.

NYR needed a back up.

Simple hockey trade IMO.

Edit: However....
David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod · 2m2 minutes ago
Blackhawks still exploring moving Sharp and Bickell. Not sure if both go, but all signs point to Sharp being moved

BuffaloHardHat
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity., NY
Joined: 11.27.2012

Jun 27 @ 3:21 PM ET
I'll bite...

So Dave, what would you have rather done?

Whom would you have rather acquired via trade/draft?

Did you listen or watch the coverage?

Did you read anything written by experts?

Buffalo got all A's yesterday, and many experts have said to look out for the Buffalo Sabres and a few even said playoffs next year.

- Stripes77

Simple.
I'd love for Murray to stop with his penchant for overpaying in every deal he makes.
Not only in the future will it cost us, but it may already have.
Who is to say?
The "experts"?
My dilemma is not all of the players he is acquiring, my dilemma is the amount he has been giving up.
I would like for once to feel after a Murray deal that the opposing GM has overpaid.
Will this ever happen? I may wait forever it seems for that.
Not to mention the irritating Ottawa love affair.
Lehner is average, perhaps a shade above it.
He was taken behind the woodshed in that deal in my opinion.
I simply want the over payments to cease and desist in a sport terminology way.
MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 27 @ 3:22 PM ET
With Darling in Chicago, they needed to move one.

I don't think this has the smell of something bigger, at least not yet.

NYR needed a back up.

Simple hockey trade IMO.

- Stripes77



Do you see NYR being as dominant as last year?
Punch70
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.07.2011

Jun 27 @ 3:22 PM ET
That's the other part of the equation that the sword swallowers are missing. We weren't just turning change into dollar bills. We were building a team that is big, fast and plays in both ends. An emphasis was also placed on getting guys with good possession numbers. In other words, there was a plan.
- Slump Buster

It's gonna be fun.
JCSabs06
Buffalo Sabres
Location: The Edge...The only people who really know where it is have gone over
Joined: 09.06.2012

Jun 27 @ 3:22 PM ET
The entire league aye?
I won't even bother with that one even though I would love to see proof of that, but do me a favor, humor me this.
If everyone in the entire league jumped off the bridge am I to understand you would also soon follow?
Alas, yes I see your logic.

- BuffaloHardHat


You sound a lot like my mother circa 1990, and yea that bridge jump was fun as hell! So were the doses...
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 27 @ 3:23 PM ET
Simple.
I'd love for Murray to stop with his penchant for overpaying in every deal he makes.
Not only in the future will it cost us, but it may already have.
Who is to say?
The "experts"?
My dilemma is not all of the players he is acquiring, my dilemma is the amount he has been giving up.
I would like for once to feel after a Murray deal that the opposing GM has overpaid.
Will this ever happen? I may wait forever it seems for that.
Not to mention the irritating Ottawa love affair.
Lehner is average, perhaps a shade above it.
He was taken behind the woodshed in that deal in my opinion.
I simply want the over payments to cease and desist in a sport terminology way.

- BuffaloHardHat

You probably don't realize that trades resemble an auction house. That's what happens. Get over it.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:24 PM ET
Simple.
I'd love for Murray to stop with his penchant for overpaying in every deal he makes.
Not only in the future will it cost us, but it may already have.
Who is to say?
The "experts"?
My dilemma is not all of the players he is acquiring, my dilemma is the amount he has been giving up.
I would like for once to feel after a Murray deal that the opposing GM has overpaid.
Will this ever happen? I may wait forever it seems for that.
Not to mention the irritating Ottawa love affair.
Lehner is average, perhaps a shade above it.
He was taken behind the woodshed in that deal in my opinion.
I simply want the over payments to cease and desist in a sport terminology way.

- BuffaloHardHat

Overpaying in every trade is an opinion.

Other teams havent overpaid is an opinion.

Lehner is average is an opinion.
MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 27 @ 3:25 PM ET
Simple.
I'd love for Murray to stop with his penchant for overpaying in every deal he makes.
Not only in the future will it cost us, but it may already have.
Who is to say?
The "experts"?
My dilemma is not all of the players he is acquiring, my dilemma is the amount he has been giving up.
I would like for once to feel after a Murray deal that the opposing GM has overpaid.
Will this ever happen? I may wait forever it seems for that.
Not to mention the irritating Ottawa love affair.
Lehner is average, perhaps a shade above it.
He was taken behind the woodshed in that deal in my opinion.
I simply want the over payments to cease and desist in a sport terminology way.

- BuffaloHardHat


I agree with you on the Lehner deal. I had a hard time with it, but after last night, I do see a real plan. Sometimes as a fan you do have to think Murray would know a little more about Lehner than we do. If he hadn't had the money to buy, "What he felt was the best option" he wouldn't have done it. He was quoted as saying that Lehner was ahead of Talbot and Lack, when you include, Talent/Age/Contract
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 27 @ 3:27 PM ET
I promised myself I wouldn't participate.

Great draft by Murray. Giving up Z hurts, but give to get blah blah blah. This team will finally score goals next season.

Restocked the defensive depth. Great work. Have a young core in the NHL ready to compete to let those draftees grow and develop.

Got a very young starting caliber goalie. A risk, yes, but professionals are still very high on him.

Great draft.
BuffaloHardHat
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity., NY
Joined: 11.27.2012

Jun 27 @ 3:28 PM ET
I like the concrete guy talking about money
- JCSabs06

Did you know that some of us "concrete guys" sell our homes in Clarence to Buffalo Sabres and Buffalo Bills?
Just asking.....
JCSabs06
Buffalo Sabres
Location: The Edge...The only people who really know where it is have gone over
Joined: 09.06.2012

Jun 27 @ 3:28 PM ET
Outside of Green and Franson there really isnt anyone I like on D. I know people like Martin, but yesterday I was in the Pens blog, and its being reported he wants a five year deal, and at 34, I want nothing to do with that. Oduya, for me at least, would boil down to the term he wants.
- Mentalorgasm5


Honestly, Sekera to me is just as good as those guys... Also, left handed
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 27 @ 3:28 PM ET
so does Gus get the C or do you think Ryan O'Reilly gets the C when he signs
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 27 @ 3:28 PM ET
Simple.
I'd love for Murray to stop with his penchant for overpaying in every deal he makes.
Not only in the future will it cost us, but it may already have.
Who is to say?
The "experts"?
My dilemma is not who all of the players he is acquiring, my dilemma is the amount he has been giving up.
I would like for once to feel after a Murray deal that the opposing GM has overpaid.
Will this ever happen? I may wait forever it seems for that.
Not to mention the irritating Ottawa love affair.
Lehner is average, perhaps a shade above it.
He was taken behind the woodshed in that deal in my opinion.
I simply want the over payments to cease and desist in a sport terminology way.

- BuffaloHardHat


You do know you need to have players on your team worth overpaying for right?

I think the Blues overpaid for Miller and Ott...I think the Wild overpaid for Moulson..

Lehner is slighty above average as you say and I can agree to that, I didn't like that trade. However nobody knows him more than Murray. So when he hits his prime (for goalies its around 27) he could absolutely be dynamite. That deal is the one I would agree with you on not liking it.

I wasn't a fan of the rumored ROR deals mostly because names like Ennis, Risto, and Reinhart were being thrown out.

As far as to what he has given to up to get these good players, you never liked Myers, Grigorenko is a borderline NHL player, and Zadorov is the one player that could sting a bit. Here's the thing though, if you want to get good players you have to give up good prospects with high ceilings. He wasn't going to get ROR for McCabe. The one player that fits the mold for a hardhat type player is Jamie McGinn. Picture a better scoring version of Foligno.

The only deal the experts have said we overpaid was the Lehner trade. In fact the ROR deal was said yes he gave up a bit but the fact he was able to do that trade after already trading the 21st pick was outstanding.
MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 27 @ 3:28 PM ET
You sound a lot like my mother circa 1990, and yea that bridge jump was fun as hell! So were the doses...
- JCSabs06


Travel lightly young Padawan..........

We are not allowed to use such language on this site, MentalOrgasm is watching closely.....

Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 27 @ 3:29 PM ET
Honestly, Sekera to me is just as good as those guys... Also, left handed
- JCSabs06

Depending on what he wanted, I wouldn't hate bring Ehrhoff back.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 27 @ 3:30 PM ET
Do you see NYR being as dominant as last year?
- MEBSabresFAN


I don't see them falling off, I do see the Lightning being better though.

JCSabs06
Buffalo Sabres
Location: The Edge...The only people who really know where it is have gone over
Joined: 09.06.2012

Jun 27 @ 3:30 PM ET
Did you know that some of us "concrete guys" sell our homes in Clarence to Buffalo Sabres and Buffalo Bills?
Just asking.....

- BuffaloHardHat


Lol, I wouldn't trust most of them with my money either
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