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Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:54 PM ET
Not when. The draft is in buffalo
- gerbe75pts


Do you really think because the draft is in Buffalo next year that would keep GMTM from moving our first next year if it made sense??

That's not how it works JR...

You're not ready...

Besides Legwand gets flipped for a 2nd and he moves back into the first!
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 28 @ 10:56 PM ET
Do you really think because the draft is in Buffalo next year that would keep GMTM from moving our first next year if it made sense??

That's not how it works JR...

You're not ready...

Besides Legwand gets flipped for a 2nd and he moves back into the first!

- Stripes77


50-50 that Legwand is on the team opening a day. 0% chance he gets a 2nd if he does make it.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jun 28 @ 10:57 PM ET
50-50 that Legwand is on the team opening a day. 0% chance he gets a 2nd if he does make it.
- Slump Buster

And Gaustad was never gonna get a 1st.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 28 @ 10:58 PM ET
1st Five Seasons

Rick Nash (Hi I'm 31yrs old and cost 7.8 Million and you must give up Tyler Ennis)

39pts/74gms

57pts/80gms

54pts/54gms WOW!

57pts/ 75gms

69pts/ 80gms
276pts / 363gms

Tyler Ennis (Hi I'm Tyler Ennis and I'm 26yrs old, 1st Rd Draft pick, I'm just entering my prime and I led my team in scoring last year without a coach and wingers) I cost 4.6 for the next 4 years!)

49pts/82gms

34pts/48gms

31pts/47gms

43pts/ 80gms

46pts/ 78gms 203pts / 235gms

- MEBSabresFAN

Ennis is more like 203 pts in 335 games, difference of 100 games...
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jun 28 @ 11:00 PM ET
1st Five Seasons

Rick Nash (Hi I'm 31yrs old and cost 7.8 Million and you must give up Tyler Ennis)

39pts/74gms

57pts/80gms

54pts/54gms WOW!

57pts/ 75gms

69pts/ 80gms
276pts / 363gms

Tyler Ennis (Hi I'm Tyler Ennis and I'm 26yrs old, 1st Rd Draft pick, I'm just entering my prime and I led my team in scoring last year without a coach and wingers) I cost 4.6 for the next 4 years!)

49pts/82gms

34pts/48gms

31pts/47gms

43pts/ 80gms

46pts/ 78gms 203pts / 235gms

- MEBSabresFAN


I think you forgot to carry the 1 at some point...
ieetbred
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.30.2011

Jun 28 @ 11:01 PM ET
Ennis is more like 203 pts in 335 games, difference of 100 games...
- Mentalorgasm5


His point still stands, and i agree. Ennis is someone i would not move at this point.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:02 PM ET
And Gaustad was never gonna get a 1st.
- HonkFortheGoose


That trade changed the precedent for no longer getting ridiculous returns in deadline trades. We completely lucked out there.
MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:03 PM ET
Ennis is more like 203 pts in 335 games, difference of 100 games...
- Mentalorgasm5


Sorry.....Freakin addition!~! lol

I still would rather keep Ennis then trade him for Nash
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 28 @ 11:04 PM ET
I think this is where this is where getting ROR is so important. I remember the night that the Bruins hit rock bottom as a franchise (I think it was '06). We hung something like 8 or 9 goals on them. It wasn't the first or second line that was doing it to them, it was the third line of young Roy and Vanek that was decimating them. Drury and Briere handled the big boy duties and the kids got to grow. ROR will allow our 2nd liners to be 2nd liners (Moulson) and guys like Reinhart to play against lesser players. I'm curious to see how Gus grows now that he isn't on the top line.
- Slump Buster


Yep, I have said for years, the entire team is playing one or two lines higher than their talent level....so the moves by GMTM enables the payers to be on the lines they should be.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:04 PM ET
Sorry.....Freakin addition!~! lol

I still would rather keep Ennis then trade him for Nash

- MEBSabresFAN


This
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 28 @ 11:06 PM ET
His point still stands, and i agree. Ennis is someone i would not move at this point.
- ieetbred

Not sure what his point is, but I definitely rather have Nash on this team than Ennis.

With the adds we have done, if they could trade Ennis, Foligno, a 2nd and a prospect for Nash. I am all in.

Buyout Hodgson
Sign Green

Kane O'Reilly Nash
Mouslon Eichel Reinhart
McGinn Larsson Gionta
Deslauriers Legwand McCormick

Ristolainen Pysyk
Green Bogosian
Gorges Weber

Lehner
Johnson
Smittyx36
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bustttt, NY
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 28 @ 11:07 PM ET
I don't get why so many people want Oshie. He isn't anything special.

I love the team up front as is. Not worth tearing it apart for Nash. All we need is to sign a top 4 D guy and add depth to the D. Watch this team be a biotch to play against and sneak into the playoffs.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:08 PM ET
Not sure what his point is, but I definitely rather have Nash on this team than Ennis.

With the adds we have done, if they could trade Ennis, Foligno, a 2nd and a prospect for Nash. I am all in.

Buyout Hodgson
Sign Green

Kane O'Reilly Nash
Mouslon Eichel Reinhart
McGinn Larsson Gionta
Deslauriers Legwand McCormick

Ristolainen Pysyk
Green Bogosian
Gorges Weber

Lehner
Johnson

- Mentalorgasm5


Did you see the world's? Ennis is just starting to peak and we'd have him a this peak for years. Nash - while elite - has already peaked and doesn't fit the long-range plan.
turbo044
Joined: 02.18.2009

Jun 28 @ 11:09 PM ET
Not when. The draft is in buffalo
- gerbe75pts[/quo

Bingo, plus Nash would probably never waive his NMC for Buffalo. If's fun but I wouldn't waste time on Nash proposals, it's not happening.
Smittyx36
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bustttt, NY
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 28 @ 11:10 PM ET
Anyone willing to trade Ennis must not have a good eye for talent. Ennis is going to be the Briere of this team. The way he played with no talent around him was incredible. He showed how good he can be during the worlds. Kids going into his prime on a great contract. No way i move him unless its for some guy in his mid 20's thats an elite sniper.
MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:13 PM ET
Sorry.....Freakin addition!~! lol

I still would rather keep Ennis then trade him for Nash

- MEBSabresFAN



Total Pt Difference over first 5 seasons............................45pts to the Nash Master

(My teams were a little bit better than your Historically bad/like

"Suffering through one of the worst seasons in recent NHL history, the 20-45-8 Buffalo Sabres have an outside chance to become the NHL's lowest-scoring team since 1936, per Drew Davis of Kukla's Korner."
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 28 @ 11:13 PM ET
Did you see the world's? Ennis is just starting to peak and we'd have him a this peak for years. Nash - while elite - has already peaked and doesn't fit the long-range plan.
- Slump Buster

Ive seen Ennis play the last six years. I will take Nash over ennis, and so would anyone that isnt a sabre fan.

Our lineup will be going into the season, with Kane, who has only scored 30 goals once, and Mouslon who has only done it with Tavares as his center, the last time being 4 years ago. If an opportunity presents itself to land a 40 goal scorer, you better do it.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 28 @ 11:13 PM ET
Anyone willing to trade Ennis must not have a good eye for talent. Ennis is going to be the Briere of this team. The way he played with no talent around him was incredible. He showed how good he can be during the worlds. Kids going into his prime on a great contract. No way i move him unless its for some guy in his mid 20's thats an elite sniper.
- Smittyx36

Yea thats it, or maybe they dont have Sabres goggles on?
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:15 PM ET
Ive seen Ennis play the last six years. I will take Nash over ennis, and so would anyone that isnt a sabre fan.

Our lineup will be going into the season, with Kane, who has only scored 30 goals once, and Mouslon who has only done it with Tavares as his center, the last time being 4 years ago. If an opportunity presents itself to land a 40 goal scorer, you better do it.

- Mentalorgasm5


A fan can still be objective. Nobody is doubting that right now Nash is better than Ennis. Given age, contract, current status of the team and playoff performance.... I'll take Ennis.
turbo044
Joined: 02.18.2009

Jun 28 @ 11:16 PM ET
50-50 that Legwand is on the team opening a day. 0% chance he gets a 2nd if he does make it.
- Slump Buster


I think there's a much greater than 50% chance legwand is on the team. Closer to 75%. I think, depending on the year he has, he probably wouldn't get a 2nd, probably more like a third
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 28 @ 11:18 PM ET
A fan can still be objective. Nobody is doubting that right now Nash is better than Ennis. Given age, contract, current status of the team and playoff performance.... I'll take Ennis.
- Slump Buster

Fans can be, but they are often not. Given contract status I want Nash, he is only on the books for 3 more years. So when comes time to resign Reinhart and Eichel, 7.8 drops off the books. While Ennis is still on for one more year.
Smittyx36
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bustttt, NY
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 28 @ 11:18 PM ET
Yea thats it, or maybe they dont have Sabres goggles on?
- Mentalorgasm5

not at all a sabres homer when it comes to players. being short sighted is never a good thing when building a team. By the time we are a legit contender to go deep into the playoffs Nash will be on a big decline seeing he is already 31. No thanks. Plus when we have to resign him we will be dealing with kane, eichel, reinhart, risto. Again ill pass.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:18 PM ET
Fans can be, but they are often not. Given contract status I want Nash, he is only on the books for 3 more years. So when comes time to resign Reinhart and Eichel, 7.8 drops off the books. While Ennis is still on for one more year.
- Mentalorgasm5


I don't necessarily disagree. However, we aren't cup contenders in that time.
MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:18 PM ET
[quote=Mentalorgasm5]Not sure what his point is, but I definitely rather have Nash on this team than Ennis.

With the adds we have done, if they could trade Ennis, Foligno, a 2nd and a prospect for Nash. I am all in.


Good God........I wouldn't trade Ennis straight up for Nash, let alone give up Foligno and a 2nd

I'm not suggesting that Rich Nash isn't or wasn't a nice strong point producing player.

I would MUCH rather have Ennis at 28 yrs Old PrimeTime than Rich Nash at 33yrs old when we really make a run in two years, shoot maybe we pick him up at Trade Deadline day after we've won the Presidents Trophy and we throw NY a 2nd rounder and say F*&ck You NY we're the Buffalo Sabres and we're going for the CUP!!!
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:19 PM ET
I think there's a much greater than 50% chance legwand is on the team. Closer to 75%. I think, depending on the year he has, he probably wouldn't get a 2nd, probably more like a third
- turbo044


Did you hear Murray's comments? He made it pretty clear he didn't want him.
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