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grand-magus
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "...i'd say you were high on mushrooms", GMTM, NY
Joined: 06.06.2014

Jun 29 @ 10:02 AM ET
Agreed, who cares. Next up please.
- LamontSanford



Apparently Homie wants Caitlyn to be our next goalie coach.

LamontSanford
Buffalo Sabres
Location: You Big Dummy
Joined: 01.13.2011

Jun 29 @ 10:05 AM ET
Apparently Homie wants Caitlyn to be our next goalie coach.


- grand-magus


Where would it shower post game?
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jun 29 @ 10:07 AM ET
Where would it shower post game?
- LamontSanford

Wherever the hell it wanted and you will not complain
grand-magus
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "...i'd say you were high on mushrooms", GMTM, NY
Joined: 06.06.2014

Jun 29 @ 10:07 AM ET
Where would it shower post game?
- LamontSanford



Depends on if it's in "tucked-in or not-tucked-in" mode...
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 29 @ 10:09 AM ET
Agreed, who cares. Next up please.
- LamontSanford


Agreed.

Sure the goalies looked good, but I really do think a lot of it had to do with the defensive style of hockey. Irbe did well, but let's not pretend the goalies were all world like when he was here.
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jun 29 @ 10:11 AM ET
Out of all 30 teams, who had the best weekend and who had the worst?

Boston seems to have had the worst
Undecided on who had the best as I missed all of Saturday...

Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 29 @ 10:12 AM ET
ROR on Hockey Hotline at 10:30...the only time I will listen to those clowns
grand-magus
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "...i'd say you were high on mushrooms", GMTM, NY
Joined: 06.06.2014

Jun 29 @ 10:13 AM ET
Out of all 30 teams, who had the best weekend and who had the worst?

Boston seems to have had the worst
Undecided on who had the best as I missed all of Saturday...

- jochfr



Toronto had the best, in my world.

They're still stuck with Fill Kessel and Caitlyn Phaneuf

At least for now
The Don
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Glasgow, VA
Joined: 02.03.2007

Jun 29 @ 10:15 AM ET
Out of all 30 teams, who had the best weekend and who had the worst?

Boston seems to have had the worst
Undecided on who had the best as I missed all of Saturday...

- jochfr


Every report I could find post draft had the Sabres as winners. As well as Calgary.

Not sure if any other team was on every list as a winner.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jun 29 @ 10:16 AM ET
Toronto had the best, in my world.

They're still stuck with Fill Kessel and Caitlyn Phaneuf

At least for now

- grand-magus




I thought they had an interesting draft for the most part. Marner and Bracco are definitely high skill, but both are on the small side.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jun 29 @ 10:17 AM ET
Every report I could find post draft had the Sabres as winners. As well as Calgary.

Not sure if any other team was on every list as a winner.

- The Don


Homie posted a link last night from Bleacher Report that gave the Sabres weekend a C grade. I was shocked. It was the only report that I saw where we were graded poorly. Everyone else had Buffalo and Edmonton as the big winners and not just because they each got a generational talent, but because of the other moves the GMs made.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 29 @ 10:18 AM ET
Out of all 30 teams, who had the best weekend and who had the worst?

Boston seems to have had the worst
Undecided on who had the best as I missed all of Saturday...

- jochfr


"Best" is subjective. Clear winners were Buffalo, Edmonton, Calgary. You can then add in some that got good value (Arizona, Philly, etc).
grand-magus
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "...i'd say you were high on mushrooms", GMTM, NY
Joined: 06.06.2014

Jun 29 @ 10:19 AM ET


I thought they had an interesting draft for the most part. Marner and Bracco are definitely high skill, but both are on the small side.

- HonkFortheGoose



Yeah, I don't hate those picks for them.
The Don
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Glasgow, VA
Joined: 02.03.2007

Jun 29 @ 10:19 AM ET
Homie posted a link last night from Bleacher Report that gave the Sabres weekend a C grade. I was shocked. It was the only report that I saw where we were graded poorly. Everyone else had Buffalo and Edmonton as the big winners and not just because they each got a generational talent, but because of the other moves the GMs made.
- HonkFortheGoose


Well, what do they know about hockey any way?
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jun 29 @ 10:21 AM ET
http://bleacherreport.com...pool-after-2015-nhl-draft

Speaking of "Bleacher Report"

Re-Ranking Every Team's Prospect Pool After 2015 NHL Draft
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jun 29 @ 10:25 AM ET
Yeah, I don't hate those picks for them.
- grand-magus


Problem is they may be easy to push around in a few years. Especially if you look at the overall size of our players in comparison. Though that's not always be all end all. Chicago is one of the smaller teams in the league and just won their 3rd Cup.
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jun 29 @ 10:27 AM ET
10 things we learned in the first round

1. Garth Snow doesn’t care much about popular opinion. For the second draft in a row, the Islanders selected a player with question marks in the first round. Last year, it was Josh Ho-Sang, the polarizing centre who racked up 85 points with the Windsor Spitfires in his 18-year-old season. Ho-Sang, whose talent is unquestioned, fell to No. 28 because of his edgy personality.

This year, it was Mathew Barzal. Like Ho-Sang, Barzal is supremely talented. He could, in fact, become the steal of the draft. Barzal dealt with numerous injury issues this season, rebounded for a strong second half and an unbelievable U-18 world tournament, where he was named a top-three player for Team Canada.

Through it all, Barzal actually dropped in most final rankings. He also reportedly rubbed some teams the wrong way in the interview process. Barzal is a naturally curious person. He isn’t afraid to ask questions or give his opinion. That doesn’t make him a bad person or teammate. For some teams, that may have come off as cocky or arrogant.

Snow doesn’t care. When Barzal dropped in the draft, Snow flipped Griffin Reinhart - the No. 4 overall pick from 2012 - to Edmonton for the 16th and 33rd picks. Whatever the questions, Snow picked on talent and potential alone - which are both sky-high with Barzal. He is incredibly crafty, he protects the puck well and his vision is excellent. If he can improve his shot, he will be a threat in the NHL.

“We wouldn’t have made the deal if (Barzal) wasn’t there,” Snow told reporters.

2. Coyotes general manager Don Maloney said the Bruins never put any of their three first round picks together in a package in attempt to grab hometown boy Noah Hanifin at No. 3 overall. As such, Arizona selected Dylan Strome anyway.

3. Speaking of trading up: the Flyers dealt No. 29 and No. 61 to Toronto to slide up five spots to No. 24 so they could grab Travis Konecny. Hextall said after the first round that he found out later that Konecny wouldn’t have made it to No. 29… Winnipeg picked at No. 25.

Ottawa passed on Konecny not once, but twice, with the 18th and 21st selections. Remember that name.

4. Canadian teams like American players. Seven out of the 30 players in the first round were American-born, including all of the last four. Kyle Connor (Winnipeg), Colin White (Ottawa), Brock Boeser (Vancouver) and Jack Roslovic (Winnipeg) all went to Canadian teams, who passed on Canadian players.

The plan has worked out pretty well so far for Montreal (Max Pacioretty and Alex Galchenyuk), Toronto (James van Riemsdyk and Phil Kessel), Ottawa (Bobby Ryan and Craig Anderson), Winnipeg (Blake Wheeler, Dustin Byfuglien and Jacob Trouba), Calgary (Johnny Gaudreau), and Vancouver (Ryan Miller).

Many other American-based teams have but a few Americans. Go figure.

5. The Devils were contacted by Columbus to swap picks. In the end, Ray Shero said he wasn’t willing to risk losing Pavel Zacha at No. 6. The Blue Jackets desperately wanted a defenceman. They got one anyway, adding Michigan’s Zach Werenski at No. 8.

6. Brendan Shanahan likes assets. By trading out of the first round, the Maple Leafs hold four out of the first 38 selections on Saturday morning. With the draft’s depth extending into the fourth round beyond normal standards, better than average prospects are available.

7. The Los Angeles Kings somehow managed to get bigger and stronger with the addition of Milan Lucic. Vancouver reportedly worked to try and bring their native son, Lucic, back home, but couldn’t get a deal done. Lucic, 27, is coming off his worst offensive full season since 2008-09 – but he is still a force to be reckoned with on the ice.

8. Times are changing. With the Russian ruble in flux and a more amicable relationship between Russia’s KHL and the NHL rumored, NHL teams aren’t as skeptical that a player will be bolting to play overseas. For the first time ever, the Flyers drafted a Russian in the first round when they selected Ivan Provorov with the seventh pick.

9. Roslovic is the first-ever draft pick born and bred in Columbus, Ohio. Other players such as Connor Murphy, Cole Cassels and Sean Kuraly have spent time in the Columbus area but were not born there. The NHL draft was held in Columbus in 2007, when Roslovic was 10.

10. Boston general manager Don Sweeney asked the Oilers to include defenceman Darnell Nurse in an offer for Dougie Hamilton. It was a non-starter.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/...-the-first-round-1.319470
By Frank Seravalli
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 29 @ 10:28 AM ET
Homie posted a link last night from Bleacher Report that gave the Sabres weekend a C grade. I was shocked. It was the only report that I saw where we were graded poorly. Everyone else had Buffalo and Edmonton as the big winners and not just because they each got a generational talent, but because of the other moves the GMs made.
- HonkFortheGoose


There's your problem. I read that article too. The amount of hit and miss on that website is exponentially large. And he missed.
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jun 29 @ 10:29 AM ET

Puck Daddy
What We Learned: NHL Draft report cards (and Boston's near failure)


Buffalo Sabres: Add Jack Eichel, check. Add Ryan O'Reilly, check. Add Robin Lehner, check. Add some umm grit and leadership, check. You don't often see draft weekends that go this well. Tim Murray didn't put his foot down in the wrong place once, and improved his team both now and in the future. A+

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...ar-failure-135709648.html


Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 29 @ 10:34 AM ET
http://bleacherreport.com...pool-after-2015-nhl-draft

Speaking of "Bleacher Report"

Re-Ranking Every Team's Prospect Pool After 2015 NHL Draft

- jochfr


I thought we would have dropped further. Then again, Eichel and Reinhart are one two so it is hard to drop them too far.
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jun 29 @ 10:43 AM ET
Blog, new.
Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

Jun 29 @ 10:46 AM ET
There's your problem. I read that article too. The amount of hit and miss on that website is exponentially large. And he missed.
- TheSabresTaco



Any draft where you get eichel is automatically an A+. If he is a hall of famer which he is projected to be how is the draft a C? Ridiculous....
MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 29 @ 11:34 AM ET
http://bleacherreport.com...pool-after-2015-nhl-draft

Speaking of "Bleacher Report"

Re-Ranking Every Team's Prospect Pool After 2015 NHL Draft

- jochfr


Toronto Maple Leafs

Draft picks: The Leafs had nine selections, led by Mitchell Marner.

Best and worst choices: In choosing Marner, the Leafs might have gifted themselves a talent close to Patrick Kane in style and ability. Defender Andrew Nielson has talent but was chosen too early.

Grade: A+

twistedwrister9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 02.10.2011

Jun 29 @ 12:00 PM ET
10 things we learned in the first round

1. Garth Snow doesn’t care much about popular opinion. For the second draft in a row, the Islanders selected a player with question marks in the first round. Last year, it was Josh Ho-Sang, the polarizing centre who racked up 85 points with the Windsor Spitfires in his 18-year-old season. Ho-Sang, whose talent is unquestioned, fell to No. 28 because of his edgy personality.

This year, it was Mathew Barzal. Like Ho-Sang, Barzal is supremely talented. He could, in fact, become the steal of the draft. Barzal dealt with numerous injury issues this season, rebounded for a strong second half and an unbelievable U-18 world tournament, where he was named a top-three player for Team Canada.

Through it all, Barzal actually dropped in most final rankings. He also reportedly rubbed some teams the wrong way in the interview process. Barzal is a naturally curious person. He isn’t afraid to ask questions or give his opinion. That doesn’t make him a bad person or teammate. For some teams, that may have come off as cocky or arrogant.

Snow doesn’t care. When Barzal dropped in the draft, Snow flipped Griffin Reinhart - the No. 4 overall pick from 2012 - to Edmonton for the 16th and 33rd picks. Whatever the questions, Snow picked on talent and potential alone - which are both sky-high with Barzal. He is incredibly crafty, he protects the puck well and his vision is excellent. If he can improve his shot, he will be a threat in the NHL.

“We wouldn’t have made the deal if (Barzal) wasn’t there,” Snow told reporters.

2. Coyotes general manager Don Maloney said the Bruins never put any of their three first round picks together in a package in attempt to grab hometown boy Noah Hanifin at No. 3 overall. As such, Arizona selected Dylan Strome anyway.

3. Speaking of trading up: the Flyers dealt No. 29 and No. 61 to Toronto to slide up five spots to No. 24 so they could grab Travis Konecny. Hextall said after the first round that he found out later that Konecny wouldn’t have made it to No. 29… Winnipeg picked at No. 25.

Ottawa passed on Konecny not once, but twice, with the 18th and 21st selections. Remember that name.

4. Canadian teams like American players. Seven out of the 30 players in the first round were American-born, including all of the last four. Kyle Connor (Winnipeg), Colin White (Ottawa), Brock Boeser (Vancouver) and Jack Roslovic (Winnipeg) all went to Canadian teams, who passed on Canadian players.

The plan has worked out pretty well so far for Montreal (Max Pacioretty and Alex Galchenyuk), Toronto (James van Riemsdyk and Phil Kessel), Ottawa (Bobby Ryan and Craig Anderson), Winnipeg (Blake Wheeler, Dustin Byfuglien and Jacob Trouba), Calgary (Johnny Gaudreau), and Vancouver (Ryan Miller).

Many other American-based teams have but a few Americans. Go figure.

5. The Devils were contacted by Columbus to swap picks. In the end, Ray Shero said he wasn’t willing to risk losing Pavel Zacha at No. 6. The Blue Jackets desperately wanted a defenceman. They got one anyway, adding Michigan’s Zach Werenski at No. 8.

6. Brendan Shanahan likes assets. By trading out of the first round, the Maple Leafs hold four out of the first 38 selections on Saturday morning. With the draft’s depth extending into the fourth round beyond normal standards, better than average prospects are available.

7. The Los Angeles Kings somehow managed to get bigger and stronger with the addition of Milan Lucic. Vancouver reportedly worked to try and bring their native son, Lucic, back home, but couldn’t get a deal done. Lucic, 27, is coming off his worst offensive full season since 2008-09 – but he is still a force to be reckoned with on the ice.

8. Times are changing. With the Russian ruble in flux and a more amicable relationship between Russia’s KHL and the NHL rumored, NHL teams aren’t as skeptical that a player will be bolting to play overseas. For the first time ever, the Flyers drafted a Russian in the first round when they selected Ivan Provorov with the seventh pick.

9. Roslovic is the first-ever draft pick born and bred in Columbus, Ohio. Other players such as Connor Murphy, Cole Cassels and Sean Kuraly have spent time in the Columbus area but were not born there. The NHL draft was held in Columbus in 2007, when Roslovic was 10.

10. Boston general manager Don Sweeney asked the Oilers to include defenceman Darnell Nurse in an offer for Dougie Hamilton. It was a non-starter.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/...-the-first-round-1.319470
By Frank Seravalli

- jochfr


FWIW.... that doesn't surprise me at all about Barzal. I graphed the combine at Matt was easily the most unpleasant kid. Told you he would sign when he came back then said no multiple times. When he finally did in the 4th or 5th pass it made you wish you didn't bother. He comes off as a very cocky, arrogant individual with a better than you attitude. McDavid & Eichel get crushed for autos and they were both pleasant. Points go to Hanifin for being the nicest kid there.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:14 PM ET
Sure it does.

It's 2015 and I'd never judge you.


- dadeadhead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DS3nd8Nrcw
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