This deal should define murrays time here moreso than the kane trade and picking eichel.

I was happy to find out mcginn came back in the trade as well. If o'reilly signs and is a top player for us for the next 8 years i dont care about anything we sent them. Eichel will attract the remaining pieces.
- ieetbred

I think the Kane trade was bigger in that we gave up a giant asset in Myers. Splitting hairs, I know.

Had what might be the greatest hip check form I've ever seen.
- dadeadhead

zhitnik was no slouch either

I think the Kane trade was bigger in that we gave up a giant asset in Myers. Splitting hairs, I know.
- Slump Buster

the myers trade was cleaning house from darcy's reign


ennis and foligno will probably stick

I think the Kane trade was bigger in that we gave up a giant asset in Myers. Splitting hairs, I know.
- Slump Buster

I think the kane trade is failproof compared to the ROR trade.

I've heard a few times Sekera hated it here. Maybe he just hated Ruff, and his attitude would change but I doubt he comes back

the myers trade was cleaning house from darcy's reign


ennis and foligno will probably stick
- homiedclown

Right, but it was his first real hockey trade. It could also be his masterwork in that we got a giant return and still finished last. That's also why the massive payment was perfectly acceptable.

I think the kane trade is failproof compared to the ROR trade.
- ieetbred

How so?

the myers trade was cleaning house from darcy's reign


ennis and foligno will probably stick
- homiedclown

If it had worked out differently i would have rather kept myers than zadorov.

I would not mind andrej sekera but I don't see him signing here he had nothing but bad things to say about buffalo

Agreed.

Zads was the only piece moved in the 2 trades I didn't wanna move.

The other 4 pieces have huge question marks on them.
- dadeadhead

Agreed. And you are correct, Zadorov was going regardless of 21 or 31. Its not like sakic was gonna just take mccabe if it was 21. This one stings a bit, but we are a better team today than we were on thursday. Just now we have 19 forwards and some pretty glaring needs on left d.

I've heard a few times Sekera hated it here. Maybe he just hated Ruff, and his attitude would change but I doubt he comes back
- sbroads24

I heard he was sauced a lot

This deal should define murrays time here moreso than the kane trade and picking eichel.

I was happy to find out mcginn came back in the trade as well. If o'reilly signs and is a top player for us for the next 8 years i dont care about anything we sent them. Eichel will attract the remaining pieces.
- ieetbred

Ive already posted this probably 3 times here, but nobody should feel like we overpaid for ROR or Evander Kane.

Our roster is now full of guys (sans Moulson and Gionta) who are established NHL proven players 24 years of age or younger pretty much surefire things. Kane, ROR, Eichel, Ennis, Girgensons, Reinhart, Larsson, Risto, Bogosian.... thats a hell of a core of players to have 24 or younger. With a few more years to go until they hit their prime (around 27-28).

In the case of ROR, do you think Grigorenko or Compher were going to jump Eichel, Reinhart, Girgensons, Larsson on the depth chart? Very little chance for Grigo to jump 1 or 2, zero chance for Compher. ROR trade basically becomes Zadorov + 31 in terms of lost value to the Sabres. I make that every day of the week.

In the case of Kane, do you think Lemiuex has a shot of getting by Ennis, Girgensons, Foligno? No. Bailey, Baptiste? Theyve had better junior careers thus far. He was expendable. Armia was drafted in 2011, 4 years ago, and made no steps toward showing he was NHL ready. The guy we traded for replaced what we wanted Armia to become. We traded that potential for that certainty. Stafford was an expiring UFA who we had no plans to re-sign. They needed a body to replace Kane, and it looks like he will re-sign there, so good for him. Kane trade basically becomes Lemiuex + 1st in terms of lost value to the Sabres. I make that trade every day of the week.

someone posted in ek's thread foligno plus for oshie


no links, just a post

I would not mind andrej sekera but I don't see him signing here he had nothing but bad things to say about buffalo
- gerbe75pts

If this is in reference to that "Everything is better than Buffalo" response, it was in regards to the weather.... I think it was a typical misquote blown out of proportion.

How so?
- Slump Buster

ROR can walk, for which we paid two of our top prospects for plus i still think grigorenko can become a good nhl player. Kane and bogosian are both under contract and we traded expiring contracts, a prospect who couldnt crack the worst teams lineup and one who didnt want to be here supposedly.

When we are able to look back, this trade makes or breaks murray here.

Ive already posted this probably 3 times here, but nobody should feel like we overpaid for ROR or Evander Kane.

Our roster is now full of guys (sans Moulson and Gionta) who are established NHL proven players 24 years of age or younger. Kane, ROR, Eichel, Ennis, Girgensons, Reinhart, Larsson, Risto, Bogosian.... thats a hell of a core of players to have 24 or younger. With a few more years to go until they hit their prime (around 27-28).

In the case of ROR, do you think Grigorenko or Compher were going to jump Eichel, Reinhart, Girgensons, Larsson on the depth chart? Very little chance for Grigo to jump 1 or 2, zero chance for Compher. ROR trade basically becomes Zadorov + 31 in terms of lost value to the Sabres. I make that every day of the week.

In the case of Kane, do you think Lemiuex has a shot of getting by Ennis, Girgensons, Foligno? No. Bailey, Baptiste? Theyve had better junior careers thus far. He was expendable. Armia was drafted in 2011, 4 years ago, and made no steps toward showing he was NHL ready. The guy we traded for replaced what we wanted Armia to become. We traded that potential for that certainty. Stafford was an expiring UFA who we had no plans to re-sign. They needed a body to replace Kane, and it looks like he will re-sign there, so good for him. Kane trade basically becomes Lemiuex + 1st in terms of lost value to the Sabres. I make that trade every day of the week.
- theblueandgold

I don't have a problem with the O'Reilly deal, but acting like we know exactly how Lemieux or Compher will project to be is way too soon.

I could point out numerous players who exceeded their projections 2 or 3 years after they were drafted.


I still don't see how Bogo and Myers is a wash. Myers played better than Bogo did there and jumped Byfuglien to lead them in even strength ice time. We got the much better forward in Kane, they got the better defensemen and two prospects in Lemieux and Roslovic, and Armia to boot

someone posted in ek's thread foligno plus for oshie


no links, just a post
- homiedclown

So:

Kane ROR Ennis
Moulson Eichel Oshie
Girgensons Reinhart Gionta
McGinn Legwand Larsson

Anybody hear FA rumors? Teams can talk to players now right?

I don't have a problem with the O'Reilly deal, but acting like we know exactly how Lemieux or Compher will project to be is way too soon.

I could point out numerous players who exceeded their projections 2 or 3 years after they were drafted.


I still don't see how Bogo and Myers is a wash. Myers played better than Bogo did there and jumped Byfuglien to lead them in even strength ice time. We got the much better forward in Kane, they got the better defensemen and two prospects in Lemieux and Roslovic, and Armia to boot
- sbroads24

What does it matter? We are trying to turn this around now. Why wait for 2-3 years for Compher or Lemiuex to just be breaking into the NHL rather than get the established 24 year old player now build chemistry and in 2-3 year be a legitimate contender while those players are in their primes?

I have no problem saying Compher will never be as good as Eichel, Reinhart or Ryan O'Reilly. I have no problem saying Lemiuex will never be as good as Kane. We'll check back in 10 years on this.

I think its a wash because Bogosian played exceptionally better here in Buffalo in an increased role than he did in WPG. He replaced Myers minutes with relative ease. Like he fit in all a long. He plays a different style than Myers, but I'm fine with calling that side of the trade a wash by now after however many games of Bogosian.

I was a huge Myers fan, I argued all along with you.

someone posted in ek's thread foligno plus for oshie


no links, just a post
- homiedclown

if we get TJ Oshie put the lights on we're making the playoffs I would make the trade in a second

Ive already posted this probably 3 times here, but nobody should feel like we overpaid for ROR or Evander Kane.

Our roster is now full of guys (sans Moulson and Gionta) who are established NHL proven players 24 years of age or younger pretty much surefire things. Kane, ROR, Eichel, Ennis, Girgensons, Reinhart, Larsson, Risto, Bogosian.... thats a hell of a core of players to have 24 or younger. With a few more years to go until they hit their prime (around 27-28).

In the case of ROR, do you think Grigorenko or Compher were going to jump Eichel, Reinhart, Girgensons, Larsson on the depth chart? Very little chance for Grigo to jump 1 or 2, zero chance for Compher. ROR trade basically becomes Zadorov + 31 in terms of lost value to the Sabres. I make that every day of the week.

In the case of Kane, do you think Lemiuex has a shot of getting by Ennis, Girgensons, Foligno? No. Bailey, Baptiste? Theyve had better junior careers thus far. He was expendable. Armia was drafted in 2011, 4 years ago, and made no steps toward showing he was NHL ready. The guy we traded for replaced what we wanted Armia to become. We traded that potential for that certainty. Stafford was an expiring UFA who we had no plans to re-sign. They needed a body to replace Kane, and it looks like he will re-sign there, so good for him. Kane trade basically becomes Lemiuex + 1st in terms of lost value to the Sabres. I make that trade every day of the week.
- theblueandgold

I dont think we overpaid for either trade. Actually i feel like thats about what it should take for someone like ROR.

My point is if ROR were to walk, murray should be fired because you simply cant have that happen, and it would define his time here.

Signing him to play with eichel and reinhart for the next 8 years is exactly what i want to define his time here. Eichel will attract other players of need down the road without having to rely so heavily on our prospect pool. With solid drafting you can continue to move your prospects for pieces of need as well.

if we get TJ Oshie put the lights on we're making the playoffs I would make the trade in a second
- gerbe75pts

would you give up foligno, and 2 seconds for him

I would right now, I wouldn't before the weekend

51 - Brendan Guhle
There were a lot of other higher projected picks still on the board, but its hard to say that Guhle was a reach here with his potential. He was a late riser as opposed to an early scouting favorite (IE Kylington, Dunn). As a scout, you are trying to project what a guy is going to do at the professional level, not how good he is in Juniors. I think Guhle is a very safe pick here and I like the pick. He is built and plays like a tank. Likes to play physical and takes it on too. The kid is a workout freak. He registered 7 top 10 finishes tying Jack Eichel at the Combine. He is an excellent skater. Has good explosiveness (as proved by fitness testing long jump and wingate) and footwork. Great hands and a good puck mover. Had an excellent second half of his season and will carry that into next year when he is the number 1 guy in PA.

92 - Willem Borgen
I honestly dont know much about him at all, cant really comment on his play. I think the Sabres wanted the guy who went 1 pick before them to Chicago -- Dennis Gilbert -- as I heard there was some disgust at the draft table after Chicago made that pick from a friend who was at the draft. I was hoping for Filip Ahl since he slipped this far. I had him rated as a 2nd round pick, so the 4th round wouldve been great value.

122 - Devante Stephens
This kid could end up being the real steal of the draft. If he played the entire season like he did when he got comfortable and settled down, he wouldve been gone in the first 2 rounds. Amazing he slipped to us in the 5th. Another late riser in his first junior season. Just became real poised and a stud for Kelowna in their run for a Memorial Cup. Was playing top pairing minutes by the end of it with Bowey and Morrissey. Kelowna has a good reputation for manufacturing NHL quality D, so I have high hopes for Devante. He'll be the #1 in Kelowna next season with Bowey and Morrissey turning pro, and he'll be a guy to keep an eye on.

152 - Giorgio Estephan
Another late riser with regards to his draft stock. He scorched through the 2nd half of the season to put up impressive numbers (1.09 ppg) and finish strong. Second half finish is most likely what earned him a spot to be drafted in the later rounds. Pretty skilled player, but not a very strong skater. Long shot to make an impact in the NHL. Killer name though. Im rooting for him.

182 - Ivan Chukarov
Know really nothing about him other than hes an overager who played in an inferior American junior league.
- theblueandgold

Denis Gilbert st. joes kid. Dated my friends daughter for a while. Keep the buffalo born prospects churning

Denis Gilbert st. joes kid. Dated my friends daughter for a while. Keep the buffalo born prospects churning
- Fattony1187

Good player on the Junior Sabres a few years back. The kid just works hard and never stopped moving his feet.

What does it matter? We are trying to turn this around now. Why wait for 2-3 years for Compher or Lemiuex to just be breaking into the NHL rather than get the established 24 year old player now build chemistry and in 2-3 year be a legitimate contender while those players are in their primes?

I have no problem saying Compher will never be as good as Eichel, Reinhart or Ryan O'Reilly. I have no problem saying Lemiuex will never be as good as Kane. We'll check back in 10 years on this.

I think its a wash because Bogosian played exceptionally better here in Buffalo in an increased role than he did in WPG. He replaced Myers minutes with relative ease. Like he fit in all a long. He plays a different style than Myers, but I'm fine with calling that side of the trade a wash by now after however many games of Bogosian.

I was a huge Myers fan, I argued all along with you.
- theblueandgold

I'm not gonna judge what Bogosian did here, because as a team we were awful, and he got hurt and missed 7 games, but I look at it as how did both of them fare on a good WPG team, and the clear cut better player was Myers.
It took him 18 games I believe to produce the 13 points that Bogo produced in 40 games. If you ask me who do you pick, the guy that is producing at a 50 point pace, or the guy that hits a lot of people, I'm taking the point producer easily.