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Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 29 @ 11:40 AM ET
Well, we can be hopeful in this regard... JR is IMMENSELY better at the UFA time for deals then he is at the trade deadline.
- Guile

See Jordan Staal and Alexander Semin.
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Jun 29 @ 11:42 AM ET
But that barely frees 2.5M.. and they have Galchenyuk and Tinordi to re-sign (with raises)... still really close to the cap IMO.
- lpstjg


Like i said, be cutthroat if they sign Frolik and offer sheet Galchenyuk.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jun 29 @ 11:42 AM ET
See Jordan Staal and Alexander Semin.
- Victoro311



Ok... hes been immensely better for us so far... I am blocking out his past.
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Jun 29 @ 11:46 AM ET
Ok... hes been immensely better for us so far... I am blocking out his past.
- Guile


The only questionable contract GMJR has done with the Pens has been Spaling. The Fleury contact was great, the UFAs last year were great, and now the Cole contract was a great signing. Remember that Shero offered the 10 year, 60M contract to Staal as well.
icedog97
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.20.2005

Jun 29 @ 11:46 AM ET
Imagine a scenario where...
The Pens get Frolik at 4.5M
Bennett stays healthy and shows he is a top 6(9) forward
Kapenen stays with the team for 2015-16
Dupuis and Kunitz stay healthy and form a great 3rd line seeing top line duty occasionally

Is this team good enough at forward to compete for a cup?:

Perron / Crosby / Hornqvist
Bennett or Kapenen / Malkin / Frolik
Kunitz / Sutter / Dupuis
Kapenen or Bennett / Spaling / --fill in the blank--
lpstjg
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.28.2015

Jun 29 @ 11:46 AM ET
Like i said, be cutthroat if they sign Frolik and offer sheet Galchenyuk.
- cap1681


But do we really need another Center? He hasn't been that great on the wings and he doesn't strike me as a prototype 3C. Also, all that stuff about Lemieux and Bergevin being friends.
willi
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Canada
Joined: 01.30.2015

Jun 29 @ 11:46 AM ET
It's entirely dependent on both those conditions being met. If Dubas can get a few other teams interested on the list (or convince Phil of waiving), Pittsburgh loses all leverage. Toronto could also be willing to wait to move him in-season or next year. Also remember, Rutherford had COMPLETE leverage over Shero with Jordan Staal and still gave up a lot for him. Dubas has been ruthlessly efficient for TOR so far. I don't trust dealing with him.
- jfkst1


What's with your love affair with Dubas?
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jun 29 @ 11:47 AM ET
The only questionable contract GMJR has done with the Pens has been Spaling. The Fleury contact was great, the UFAs last year were great, and now the Cole contract was a great signing. Remember that Shero offered the 10 year, 60M contract to Staal as well.
- cap1681



Yeah... if he would have ever tested him at center, which is what I thought Spaling was, we could have justified that contract more... but Spaling got what, 2 games as a center here?
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jun 29 @ 11:52 AM ET
What's with your love affair with Dubas?
- willi


Unlike pretty much every other NHL GM, he didn't get his job through connections. He actually did this crazy thing that doesn't exist in NHL front offices. He worked his way up from the bottom and showed an aptitude for the position with a proven track record. Basically how most competent organizations are run. I despise the rampant nepotism of the NHL community.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 29 @ 11:54 AM ET
Any rumblings about possible signings? Anything on the Tikhonov/Plotnikov front?
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 29 @ 12:00 PM ET
Any rumblings about possible signings? Anything on the Tikhonov/Plotnikov front?
- Barnaby36


I think the Russians won't resurface until the 1st when Plotnikov officially signs and people can actually start throwing concrete figures at Tikhinov.
joescullz
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 12.07.2013

Jun 29 @ 12:01 PM ET
Any rumblings about possible signings? Anything on the Tikhonov/Plotnikov front?
- Barnaby36


http://penslabyrinth.com/...guins-will-target-frolik/
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Jun 29 @ 12:05 PM ET
Stalberg on waivers for a buyout. Would be a great addition to the bottom 6.
Johnny Wrath
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Draft more Swedes, CA
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jun 29 @ 12:10 PM ET
I'm really irritated that Chris Pronger was traded the other day and is helping now two teams manipulate the salary cap. Time for the cap to go, especially if the NHL is seriously considering making itself upwards of $1B in expansion fees over the next few seasons.

The cap floor is supposed to be a mechanism to force teams to be competitive; what we've seen instead is that teams who aren't able to generate a profit become the landfill for bad contracts. That's exactly how it used to work pre-2005 but without all of the pretense of competitive balance.

Pittsburgh may sign a few Euros this week. I'm not holding out too much hope; it's known what I think needs to happen to win again. Now with the sale of the team out of the bag I see why the Penguins are more content simply to possess their 2 stars and sell the CEC's potential.

Get the business done quickly and hope that the on-ice focus is on hockey once more.
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Jun 29 @ 12:11 PM ET
Alright I took a whack at it:
https://www.hockeyscap.com/armchair-gm/team/8959

I made the kessel deal for what was "reportedly" offered, plus the 2mil retained. The 4th line does look a little soft, but there is 2+ mil in cap space I created.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jun 29 @ 12:12 PM ET
Regarding Kessel, GMJR has the leverage if he cares to use it. I had read somewhere Kessel doesn't mind staying through a rebuild now that Babcock is on board (sorry, can't remember who, was from Toronto though). Rutherford can go in another direction and that closes the Pens door. If Pens are not only the only team on his list willing to trade for him but are also offering their top prospect, do you really want to risk them being out?
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Jun 29 @ 12:13 PM ET
The Gonchar return talk scares me.......
mmonana120
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.30.2015

Jun 29 @ 12:14 PM ET
Imagine a scenario where...
The Pens get Frolik at 4.5M
Bennett stays healthy and shows he is a top 6(9) forward
Kapenen stays with the team for 2015-16
Dupuis and Kunitz stay healthy and form a great 3rd line seeing top line duty occasionally

Is this team good enough at forward to compete for a cup?:

Perron / Crosby / Hornqvist
Bennett or Kapenen / Malkin / Frolik
Kunitz / Sutter / Dupuis
Kapenen or Bennett / Spaling / --fill in the blank--

- icedog97



Only problem with this is Kap is a right wing, right wing only. I hope to God Pens do not do what they did with BB, move him to other wing where never played and loses all confidence. Bc then im afraid we destroy him too. If Kap is on the team, needs to be top 6 right wing. Or keep him on Baby Pens.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jun 29 @ 12:15 PM ET
Only problem with this is Kap is a right wing, right wing only. I hope to God Pens do not do what they did with BB, move him to other wing where never played and loses all confidence. Bc then im afraid we destroy him too. If Kap is on the team, needs to be top 6 right wing. Or keep him on Baby Pens.
- mmonana120



Then we dump Kunitz... move Dupe to the LW where he can play, and give Kap the 3rd line RW.
mmonana120
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.30.2015

Jun 29 @ 12:17 PM ET
I'm really irritated that Chris Pronger was traded the other day and is helping now two teams manipulate the salary cap. Time for the cap to go, especially if the NHL is seriously considering making itself upwards of $1B in expansion fees over the next few seasons.

The cap floor is supposed to be a mechanism to force teams to be competitive; what we've seen instead is that teams who aren't able to generate a profit become the landfill for bad contracts. That's exactly how it used to work pre-2005 but without all of the pretense of competitive balance.

Pittsburgh may sign a few Euros this week. I'm not holding out too much hope; it's known what I think needs to happen to win again. Now with the sale of the team out of the bag I see why the Penguins are more content simply to possess their 2 stars and sell the CEC's potential.

Get the business done quickly and hope that the on-ice focus is on hockey once more.

- Johnny Wrath


If the cap goes, only be a matter od time before Pens and majority of league suck again. Teams like Toronto will be free to sign players to whatever they want and buy teams. It will be just like baseball and I hate MLB bc same teams are all was winning bc they can just go out and buy teams. The cap is fine, just fix the circumventing the cap issues.
Johnny Wrath
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Draft more Swedes, CA
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jun 29 @ 12:18 PM ET
The Gonchar return talk scares me.......
- cap1681

I wonder if the consensus thought here is that "Malkin needs Russians", which is condescending. It's stated in the NHL constantly that Russians need other Russians in order to succeed somehow.

Malkin's problems cannot be solved by a racist "just get Russians" program; his problems can be solved by removing the automatic "Sid gets the best forwards until they trickle down to 71" and forbidding the "second line waiver pick up" programs.
mmonana120
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.30.2015

Jun 29 @ 12:18 PM ET
Then we dump Kunitz... move Dupe to the LW where he can play, and give Kap the 3rd line RW.
- Guile


That is what I have been doing on my made up teams on the Cap website.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jun 29 @ 12:19 PM ET
That is what I have been doing on my made up teams on the Cap website.
- mmonana120



I'm quite shocked in a team with Frolik and Kessel, he kept Kunitz as well...
Johnny Wrath
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Draft more Swedes, CA
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jun 29 @ 12:19 PM ET
If the cap goes, only be a matter od time before Pens and majority of league suck again. Teams like Toronto will be free to sign players to whatever they want and buy teams. It will be just like baseball and I hate MLB bc same teams are all was winning bc they can just go out and buy teams. The cap is fine, just fix the circumventing the cap issues.
- mmonana120

Have you been paying attention to the Stanley Cup Finals for the last seven seasons?
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Jun 29 @ 12:20 PM ET
I wonder if the consensus thought here is that "Malkin needs Russians", which is condescending. It's stated in the NHL constantly that Russians need other Russians in order to succeed somehow.

Malkin's problems cannot be solved by a racist "just get Russians" program; his problems can be solved by removing the automatic "Sid gets the best forwards until they trickle down to 71" and forbidding the "second line waiver pick up" programs.

- Johnny Wrath


Completely agree. I think either Oshie or Frolik would be great additions in the fact that both their games compliment Malkin extremely well and would give him a creditable top 6 winger.
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