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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 2 @ 10:20 PM ET
Yeah, I went to his hockey reference page and I was like, wait, he's 35?
- Jsaquella


He's 18 months older than Zepp.
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jul 2 @ 10:22 PM ET
Streit +2016 2nd(CHI) for Patrick Sharp? Crazy? Realistic?
- flyerscup2011

No hawks are trying to get rid of sharp for salary reasons
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jul 2 @ 10:24 PM ET
No hawks are trying to get rid of sharp for salary reasons
- griouxmvp2012


They also need a good 4th dman and they're gaining 650k in cap space
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jul 2 @ 10:24 PM ET
They also need a good 4th dman and they're gaining 650k in cap space
- flyerscup2011

I would say read cousins and a 3rd
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 2 @ 10:27 PM ET
NHL.com has all the shootouts stats
- Feanor


Didn't see it there for his entire career.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 2 @ 10:27 PM ET
Streit +2016 2nd(CHI) for Patrick Sharp? Crazy? Realistic?

- flyerscup2011


No thanks.
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jul 2 @ 10:27 PM ET
I would say read cousins and a 3rd
- griouxmvp2012


That's not bad, but I don't want to add 2.3mm to the cap
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 2 @ 10:30 PM ET
Didn't see it there for his entire career.
- ob18


http://www.nhl.com/stats/...tActiveSkaterCareerTotals

Jake, G, Read and Simmer have similar percentages
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jul 2 @ 10:32 PM ET
That's not bad, but I don't want to add 2.3mm to the cap
- flyerscup2011

I agree I think we stand pat but ya never know.....I don't think we are in posion to add some one like sharp right now we are a fringe team right now with a bright future
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 2 @ 10:32 PM ET
I would say read cousins and a 3rd
- griouxmvp2012


I would do Read + Chicago's 2nd for Sharp despite him being 4.5 years older because I always wanted him back. Might not be the most logical move for the Flyers but (frank) it.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 2 @ 10:32 PM ET
They also need a good 4th dman and they're gaining 650k in cap space
- flyerscup2011


I'm not sure Bickell is even tradeable at this point with his knee issues. I don't know how Bowman can keep Seabrook past next year. He's every bit a #1 dman, who will be 31 after next season. I have to figure at least 6 years and $42 million for him.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 2 @ 10:43 PM ET
Streit +2016 2nd(CHI) for Patrick Sharp? Crazy? Realistic?
- flyerscup2011

We don't need a winger who will be turning 34 this year. And if you're moving Streit it needs to be for a younger asset.

You could probably move Streit to a playoff bound team for a 1st. Makes so much more sense.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 2 @ 10:44 PM ET
I'm not sure Bickell is even tradeable at this point with his knee issues. I don't know how Bowman can keep Seabrook past next year. He's every bit a #1 dman, who will be 31 after next season. I have to figure at least 6 years and $42 million for him.
- ravishingone



He is nothing of a #1 d men. He's a #3 on a Stanley Cup team a #2 on a bubble team and a #1 on a bad team. He's what morin predicts to be a solid shut down 2nd pairing guy. He is also going to be 31 almost 32. He plays physical very physical which should hurt his value past age 35. I say he's lucky to get 5 years 32 million tops
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 2 @ 10:45 PM ET
I showed my wife a picture of Sharp and she agrees we should trade for him.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 2 @ 10:48 PM ET
Michael Grosso
@rumorbreak

@RumorBreak: #BREAKING - Hearing Flyers have an offer on the table for Patrick Sharp and includes Matt Read+ going back the other way.

- moylander


I wouldn't go after Patrick Sharp. He had a down season much like Matt Read but Read is much younger then Sharp. If I was serious about moving Read for an upgrade, it would have been Read plus for Oshie.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 2 @ 10:49 PM ET
He is nothing of a #1 d men. He's a #3 on a Stanley Cup team a #2 on a bubble team and a #1 on a bad team. He's what morin predicts to be a solid shut down 2nd pairing guy. He is also going to be 31 almost 32. He plays physical very physical which should hurt his value past age 35. I say he's lucky to get 5 years 32 million tops
- Tfaehner


Seabrook scores 34 points per 82 games. We should all be doing cartwheels if that what Morin ends up producing.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 2 @ 10:49 PM ET
I showed my wife a picture of Sharp and she agrees we should trade for him.
- Feanor


For read I really have no love lost. I don't figure his contract into our future he's a glorified 3rd liner with defensive prowess. If we can get a top 6 for him without giving up a top prospect we win
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 2 @ 10:49 PM ET
I would do Read + Chicago's 2nd for Sharp despite him being 4.5 years older because I always wanted him back. Might not be the most logical move for the Flyers but (frank) it.
- Feanor

Would it be wrong for me to personally attack you because you feel this way?
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 2 @ 10:54 PM ET
He is nothing of a #1 d men. He's a #3 on a Stanley Cup team a #2 on a bubble team and a #1 on a bad team. He's what morin predicts to be a solid shut down 2nd pairing guy. He is also going to be 31 almost 32. He plays physical very physical which should hurt his value past age 35. I say he's lucky to get 5 years 32 million tops
- Tfaehner


so you're writing Hjmarlsson brings more to the table then Seabrook? I guess we're going to have to disagree. He plays physical, but has missed 10 games total since the '06 season. I don't see him physically breaking down at all. He's a $7 million/yr dman on his next contract, no doubt, IMO.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 2 @ 10:54 PM ET
Seabrook scores 34 points per 82 games. We should all be doing cartwheels if that what Morin ends up producing.
- Feanor

Agreed.
Yosimar89
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 05.11.2010

Jul 2 @ 11:01 PM ET
Hell, keep Read. We shouldve moved the Schenns for Oshie and a pick.
- hereticpride

If it came down to having to choose one, i'd much rather keep Brayden than Read.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 2 @ 11:04 PM ET
If it came down to having to choose one, i'd much rather keep Brayden than Read.
- Yosimar89

Absolutely. I can see why some might not care for Luke but I think some people don't like Brayden for the same reasons as Carter and Versteeg. Too handsome.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 2 @ 11:26 PM ET
Seabrook scores 34 points per 82 games. We should all be doing cartwheels if that what Morin ends up producing.
- Feanor


A lot of that depends upon PP time. I would guess Morin won't be seeing 1st line PP minutes any time soon, but who can really say.
SuperSchennBros
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Jul 3 @ 12:18 AM ET
A lot of that depends upon PP time. I would guess Morin won't be seeing 1st line PP minutes any time soon, but who can really say.
- wolfhounds

I don't think Morin will see any first unit PP time as long as we have players like Streit, Del Zotto, Sanheim, Gostisbehere or even Provorov in the line up. These players should be best suited in offensive situations ahead of Morin.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:37 AM ET
I don't think Morin will see any first unit PP time as long as we have players like Streit, Del Zotto, Sanheim, Gostisbehere or even Provorov in the line up. These players should be best suited in offensive situations ahead of Morin.
- SuperSchennBros


Agreed, he definitely won't get first PP time with Streit in the lineup. I'm not so sure about the rest. MDZ might get it done, but so far he has't been a great PP quarterback. Granted, he hasn't had much of an opportunity, so there is that to consider. As for the other prospects, they may prove better, they may not, but none of them are 6'7" with the potential to unleash a bomb of a shot that defending players are going to fear getting in front of. Ghost is the only one I put significantly ahead of the others in development, but he's also the smallest and had a bit of a setback last season...I really hope his game translates well to the NHL.

It's going to be interesting to see who is the first to get into the lineup as a regular, who develops the most quickly, and whether they are one and the same. I'm very much looking forward to watching these kids play.
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