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13charchap13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Warrington, PA
Joined: 11.14.2013

Jul 7 @ 5:02 PM ET
I'll confess I didn't know much of anything about Giroux when they drafted him.

I remember there was pre-draft hype about the Flyers taking a player who grew up in New Jersey named Bobby Sanguinetti. When the Rangers took him the pick before the Flyers, I didn't have a clue who they were going to take.

After he was drafted, I looked up Giroux's junior numbers at the time, and he was a pretty prolific scorer in his draft year and scored at a similar clip the following year (finished top 5 in the QMJHL, I believe), so I think he was expected to score a little bit when he turned pro.

- johndewar


Interesting. Can you think of some slightly younger players who followed a similar path from unheralded late first/early second round pick to dominant NHL point producer? Kinda want to know what to look for in this upcoming season with Konecny. Maybe Tarasenko or Saad. Also I think one of the triplets (Kucherov) was a second round pick.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 7 @ 5:04 PM ET
He had another monster jr year after he was drafted, but what really got my notice was the 51 points he put up in 19 games in the QMJHL playoffs. Unreal numbers against the stiffest competition.
- MBFlyerfan

He had two big JR runs after he was drafted but yeah, everyone noticed after he tore up the QMJHL playoffs.

For me, and I'd think most, the 2010 playoff run was his coming out party. At that point it was hard for anyone to deny that he was a rising star in the league.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 7 @ 5:08 PM ET
He had two big JR runs after he was drafted but yeah, everyone noticed after he tore up the QMJHL playoffs.

For me, and I'd think most, the 2010 playoff run was his coming out party. At that point it was hard for anyone to deny that he was a rising star in the league.

- mayorofangrytown



Even more remarkable was that out of those 51 points, only one goal was a pp goal and he had 3 shorties.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 7 @ 5:13 PM ET
Interesting. Can you think of some slightly younger players who followed a similar path from unheralded late first/early second round pick to dominant NHL point producer? Kinda want to know what to look for in this upcoming season with Konecny. Maybe Tarasenko or Saad. Also I think one of the triplets (Kucherov) was a second round pick.
- 13charchap13

Those guys aren't dominant yet and Tarasenko went fairly early. Probably the only reason he went in the middle of the first was the fear of the KHL contracts at the time. They were throwing around huge money.

You aren't going to find a commensurate forward to Giroux in any recent draft. You're probably going to have to go back a bit to find a forward that dominates and didn't go top 10-15.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 7 @ 5:20 PM ET
Interesting. Can you think of some slightly younger players who followed a similar path from unheralded late first/early second round pick to dominant NHL point producer? Kinda want to know what to look for in this upcoming season with Konecny. Maybe Tarasenko or Saad. Also I think one of the triplets (Kucherov) was a second round pick.
- 13charchap13

Looking up some stats and noticed there are only 5 active players with over 1000 pts now that St. Louis retired. You have to wonder if 1000 career points might become a huge milestone again like it was prior to the 80s.
13charchap13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Warrington, PA
Joined: 11.14.2013

Jul 7 @ 5:24 PM ET
Those guys aren't dominant yet and Tarasenko went fairly early. Probably the only reason he went in the middle of the first was the fear of the KHL contracts at the time. They were throwing around huge money.

You aren't going to find a commensurate forward to Giroux in any recent draft. You're probably going to have to go back a bit to find a forward that dominates and didn't go top 10-15.

- mayorofangrytown


Yeah I know. I was reaching. Maybe Tyler Johnson but he went undrafted. Speaking to that point, I would imagine you would agree that the drafting/development process in hockey most closely resembles the MLB. In football there is no minor league system and in the NBA no one who will ever become a superstar gets even a sniff of a D-League arena. How come, then, we see such a small percentage of late round impact players in the NHL but so many in the MLB? Both have systems in place for upwards of 4 years of development before major league action. Is it simply inherent differences in the sport? A tendency to rush players to the NHL so those with slower development curves get left in the dust? I think more NHL teams would be foolish to not start adapting more of the Red Wings model. No other teams has the same level of contributors from the later rounds.
13charchap13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Warrington, PA
Joined: 11.14.2013

Jul 7 @ 5:27 PM ET
Looking up some stats and noticed there are only 5 active players with over 1000 pts now that St. Louis retired. You have to wonder if 1000 career points might become a huge milestone again like it was prior to the 80s.
- mayorofangrytown


Could be. But you know the NHL loves offense. If point totals don't start to top out in the 100s again they change the goal size or do some other gimmicky thing to increase scoring. I'll be interested to see what impact the 3V3 OT has on superstar scoring rates, if any. Might see a little bump.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Jul 7 @ 5:27 PM ET
morin is a freak of nature
- -davies-

Almost as tall as Chris McAllister if you "GUYS" remember him,hopefully Morin will get more points on the board
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 7 @ 5:28 PM ET
3rd from the right on the bottom photo.

Not sure what he is trying to prove by having his legs so far apart.

Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Jul 7 @ 5:30 PM ET
3rd from the right on the bottom photo.

Not sure what he is trying to prove by having his legs so far apart.


- flyer_nutter

To show package?No pun intended
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 7 @ 5:31 PM ET
I don't like rubbery chewy candies like Twizzlers/Swedish Fish. Kit Kats and Reese's Cups/Pieces are where it's at.

Yo, (frank) Scott Stevens. Because.

- jmatchett383

Well said!
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 5:31 PM ET
Ivan, Ivan, Ivan, Ivan, Ivan, Ivan, Ivan.
- benjichronic


BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 7 @ 5:32 PM ET
Just got into Key West today.

My liver is scared.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Jul 7 @ 5:33 PM ET
Just got into Key West today.

My liver is scared.

- BiggE

You should have brought with you a fly rod
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 7 @ 5:34 PM ET
You should have brought with you a fly rod
- Landsbergfan

Pretty sure TSA isn't letting me carry that on, lol
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 5:35 PM ET
Just got into Key West today.

My liver is scared.

- BiggE


As often as you go down there it's been that way for a long time.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 7 @ 5:38 PM ET
As often as you go down there it's been that way for a long time.
- ob18

True, it exists in a state of perpetual terror
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 5:40 PM ET
True, it exists in a state of perpetual terror
- BiggE


Do they call you Norm?
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 7 @ 5:42 PM ET
https://twitter.com/Broad...status/618514554306338816

ready
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Jul 7 @ 5:45 PM ET
https://twitter.com/BroadStBull/status/618514554306338816

ready

- Crimsoninja



I think this is cause for concern , weight gain could be a sign of un healthy dieting
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 5:45 PM ET
https://twitter.com/BroadStBull/status/618514554306338816

ready

- Crimsoninja


For development camp sure.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 5:46 PM ET
I think this is cause for concern , weight gain could be a sign of un healthy dieting
- -davies-


They can't put down the whoppers
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Jul 7 @ 5:48 PM ET
A ton of tuna and chicken protein drinks
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 5:48 PM ET
They can't put down the whoppers
- ob18


Or the brews!
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 7 @ 5:50 PM ET
Or the brews!
- MJL


Leave your weight gain out of this
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