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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 9 @ 8:30 AM ET
With forwards, I'd rather have speed than size
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 8:34 AM ET
With forwards, I'd rather have speed than size
- PhillySportsGuy


As long as they can HIT SOMEBODY! and DO SUMTHING WIDDIT! I have no problem with speed over size.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 9 @ 8:38 AM ET


If I was a betting man.. I'd probably bet hextall will pick the best player available every draft for the rest of eternity. Unless it's an organizational deficiency ie: 2 goalie prospects and only 1 legit one. Now he fixed it but he didn't trade up to draft samsomov he waited until he had someone match his board value of them. So looking at next year's draft of course he will target forwards.. scout them aggressively but.. He will take them where he values them and not a pick higher
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 9 @ 8:46 AM ET
2016 NHL mock draft:

Philadelphia takes Sean Day.

Stocking the defensive pipeline.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 9 @ 8:48 AM ET
Read is (and has almost been since his rookie season) a top-flight NHL PKer. Granted, he entered the league in his mid-20's, I don't think NAK has that kind of defensive upside, but I could be wrong.
- jmatchett383


He killed enough penalties as an 18 year old to score 3 SHGs, and he has a shot at making the WJC Canada team as a 4th liner.

http://stats.hockeycanada.../1946351?subseason=232764

When Read was 18 he wasn't playing in a league that kept stats according to this.

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8476177
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jul 9 @ 9:02 AM ET
2012: Tough forward Tom Sestito, a restricted free agent, signs a one-year, $605,000 contract with the Flyers.

make it happen again. phantoms need someone to replace stortini at least
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 9 @ 9:03 AM ET
He'll get caramel and like it!
- jmatchett383


With peanuts?
MatveiDmitrii
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 01.16.2015

Jul 9 @ 9:06 AM ET
If you don't know how to use your size to your advantage, it's irrelevant. I'm 6'4 and 214lbs. Am I in the NHL or NBA? Nope.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 9 @ 9:08 AM ET
If you don't know how to use your size to your advantage, it's irrelevant. I'm 6'4 and 214lbs. Am I in the NHL or NBA? Nope.
- MatveiDmitrii


I'll bet you're a terror around the coffee machine, though.
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Jul 9 @ 9:08 AM ET
tough job getting paid 4.5 mill to eat popcorn
- vejim


5% of that is $225,000
Yeah you could live off the interest from that invested wisely
VLC better be a gourmet chef for the press box at that rate and pay for all the fixins, including Dom Perignon
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Jul 9 @ 9:11 AM ET
Talks with Jon Scott and Garrett Klotz are ongoing.
- jmatchett383


I think Klotz was cut from the ECHL team in Indy late in the season.....
They started out with him as captain
MatveiDmitrii
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 01.16.2015

Jul 9 @ 9:14 AM ET
I'll bet you're a terror around the coffee machine, though.
- Scoob


Once I get inside position, forget about it.

Seriously though I kind of get irritated when you ask about what they like in a player, and they respond with "well he has size".

Size is an attribute not a skill. Think Datsyuk would have been a 6th rounder if would have been 6'3?

It does have its advantages, but team make far too big of an issue over it.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 9 @ 9:14 AM ET
With forwards, I'd rather have speed than size
- PhillySportsGuy

I want both. Also some breakfast would be nice too.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 9 @ 9:15 AM ET
With peanuts?
- Scoob

Peanuts are for winners, Vinny.
AHLTraveler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: AHL League Office
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 9 @ 9:17 AM ET
2012: Tough forward Tom Sestito, a restricted free agent, signs a one-year, $605,000 contract with the Flyers.

make it happen again. phantoms need someone to replace stortini at least

- rinaldo

No,no,no.
Sestito was sent down to AHL Utica last year. I think I read that he is considering retiring due to injury. Besides, he plays like a dog in the minors. No intensity, no desire. If Hextall wants an enforcer in LV, there are better options.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 9 @ 9:18 AM ET
No,no,no.
Sestito was sent down to AHL Utica last year. I think I read that he is considering retiring due to injury. Besides, he plays like a dog in the minors. No intensity, no desire. If Hextall wants an enforcer in LV, there are better options.

- AHLTraveler

Could just re-sign Rosehill to a 2 way deal.
acd513
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 06.23.2013

Jul 9 @ 9:22 AM ET
Hexy should bring Rosie back. You need a legit HW on the farm. Spot callups based on opposition
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 9 @ 9:22 AM ET
Peanuts are for winners, Vinny.
- BiggE


Dang it!

dips 2004 Cup ring adorned hand back into peanut-free caramel popcorn bag
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jul 9 @ 9:23 AM ET
Bill who were some guys drafted say over the last 20 years who you thought would be nhl players and just didn't pan out? Some guys you liked.

for me a few guys:
shane Kenny
Petr Hubacek
Jason Beckett
Ryan Potulny
Stefan Ruzicka
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jul 9 @ 9:24 AM ET
No,no,no.
Sestito was sent down to AHL Utica last year. I think I read that he is considering retiring due to injury. Besides, he plays like a dog in the minors. No intensity, no desire. If Hextall wants an enforcer in LV, there are better options.

- AHLTraveler

yes yes yes
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 9 @ 9:26 AM ET
Could just re-sign Rosehill to a 2 way deal.
- BiggE



I would rather sign Rosehill if they think they need that.

They had plenty of guys that went last year in Mathers, Desilsle and Manning. Also if Morin starts in the AHL he can handle is own.

OrangeAndBlack1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'm not telling.
Joined: 11.29.2011

Jul 9 @ 9:44 AM ET
Thanks Bill. It's nice to see articles that view topics from all angles. In my opinion, size, and speed are hard to find in one particular player. Then, when you try to add skill to the mix, you really are asking for the "Golden Child." With the direction the league is headed in, the average, and smaller players should thrive. The larger, and slower players will then become the support players, and will move around the league more; shorter contracts. Plus, you have the x-factor with larger players; they don't always use their size.
Now, as the Habs have found out, having a large number of smaller players doesn't always mean more scoring or a faster paced game. Why? Ever since the Devils made the "Trap"popular, there have been several different versions of that system of play. If the league wishes to speed up the game, and allow the smaller "stars" more room, they will have to eventually stop this type of defensive system. In addition, they should allow the goalie to play the puck without limitations. The NBA calls a penalty for an illegal defensive formation, why not the NHL? But, as I see it, the league is inconsistent with it's rules, and how they are enforced.
These are just a few points to ponder.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 9 @ 9:44 AM ET
With forwards, I'd rather have speed than size
- PhillySportsGuy


Yeah, and when it comes time, those HQ smaller skilled/speedy forwards can always be parlayed into some size/grits, if needed.

Keep taking the best player in the top-120 picks, even if that guy is a smurf.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 9:57 AM ET
Thanks Bill. It's nice to see articles that view topics from all angles. In my opinion, size, and speed are hard to find in one particular player. Then, when you try to add skill to the mix, you really are asking for the "Golden Child." With the direction the league is headed in, the average, and smaller players should thrive. The larger, and slower players will then become the support players, and will move around the league more; shorter contracts. Plus, you have the x-factor with larger players; they don't always use their size.
Now, as the Habs have found out, having a large number of smaller players doesn't always mean more scoring or a faster paced game. Why? Ever since the Devils made the "Trap"popular, there have been several different versions of that system of play. If the league wishes to speed up the game, and allow the smaller "stars" more room, they will have to eventually stop this type of defensive system. In addition, they should allow the goalie to play the puck without limitations. The NBA calls a penalty for an illegal defensive formation, why not the NHL? But, as I see it, the league is inconsistent with it's rules, and how they are enforced.
These are just a few points to ponder.

- OrangeAndBlack1



I dont know if there is single NHL team that uses the trap as it's main forecheck scheme like the Devils did. Most teams will play a hybrid trap or other neutral zone checking scheme in certain situations. Today's NHL is a skating game, and teams systems are based in the forecheck.
VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Jul 9 @ 9:57 AM ET
Once I get inside position, forget about it.

Seriously though I kind of get irritated when you ask about what they like in a player, and they respond with "well he has size".

Size is an attribute not a skill. Think Datsyuk would have been a 6th rounder if would have been 6'3?

It does have its advantages, but team make far too big of an issue over it.

- MatveiDmitrii


When we are talking about players in the NHL, most of them have exceptional puck skills, even the 'grinders' and 'enforcers'. We've seen big guys score some pretty goals the last couple of years (Sestito twice, Rosehill -- even Asham a couple of pretty goals).

My point is that when you exam the NHL as a whole, your typical NHL player has approximately the same amount of skills, and speed, and smarts. Some players have a little more than skill, others a bit better skater etc.

So when your skill level is so close, the next thing that works for you is your attributes, such as size and strength. That's where it comes in handy.

BTW, this isn't referring to the group of players that are elite. They have their own set of rules.
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