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Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 9 @ 2:52 PM ET
This. You can't back-dive the way you used to, but you can use the Tarasenko method where they gave him the biggest money right after the half-way point of the contract to save money on the end years. Otherwise you're subject to the 35% rule.
- jmatchett383

can't wait to see the changes that the ROR deal will force them to make.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 9 @ 2:53 PM ET
This. You can't back-dive the way you used to, but you can use the Tarasenko method where they gave him the biggest money right after the half-way point of the contract to save money on the end years. Otherwise you're subject to the 35% rule.
- jmatchett383



And that's the type of deal he will get. 8 years @62-63 million
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 9 @ 2:53 PM ET
In all seriousness his next contract I think will be fascinating, to see how Hextall handles it.

In the past when they had a perceived core player they went for the contract with crazy long years.

I am hoping with Jake the deal is not too long. 4-5 years would be ideal. Doubt it happens but we'll see. 5-6 years would be a nice compromise, 7-8 is too long IMO.

- Marc D


I think anything less than 8yrs $8M is going to be a win for the Flyers
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 2:53 PM ET
I agree.

Down the middle:

Giroux
Cooters
Vinny
White

- Streit2ThePoint


Where do you see PEB, Laughton, Cousins, Umberger, Schenn, and Gagner in this scenario?
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jul 9 @ 2:53 PM ET
I agree.

Down the middle:

Giroux
Cooters
Vinny
White

- Streit2ThePoint


jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 2:55 PM ET
I think anything less than 8yrs $8M is going to be a win for the Flyers
- PhillySportsGuy


If those god damn Canadians could just appease their economy, $8M per would be good.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 9 @ 2:55 PM ET
I get that but would rather see a shorter deal for more dollars, personally.

I think if things don't work out you aren't locked into it then.

- Marc D



But as you have the higher cap hit then you limit yourself in keeping players as well. So maybe you can't keep a core player because you sacrificed years for the higher money. Especially since this team will start to become a solid team in about 2-3 years.
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Jul 9 @ 2:55 PM ET
im serious though, i dont think its impossible for the new coach to get a decent season out of him
- Crimsoninja


Until his brittle old posterior gets injured and he is useless again
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 9 @ 2:55 PM ET
Where do you see PEB, Laughton, Cousins, Umberger, Schenn, and Gagner in this scenario?
- jmatchett383


Raffl - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Couturier - Simmonds
Gagner - Lecavalier - Read
PEB - White - Umberger
Laughton
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 9 @ 2:57 PM ET
Raffl - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Couturier - Simmonds
Gagner - Lecavalier - Read
PEB - White - Umberger
Laughton

- Streit2ThePoint

switchout umberger for laughtonamd ill be cool with that
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 9 @ 2:57 PM ET
Raffl - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Couturier - Simmonds
Gagner - Lecavalier - Read
PEB - White - Umberger
Laughton

- Streit2ThePoint


If Laughton's your 13th forward, might as well put him in the AHL. He needs to be playing.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 9 @ 2:58 PM ET
Raffl - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Couturier - Simmonds
Gagner - Lecavalier - Read
PEB - White - Umberger
Laughton

- Streit2ThePoint



Not a fan of Simmonds with those two. I would rather have Gagner there. They will need some playmaker on that line.

Also I am still not sure Hextall is done dealing. I am still saying either Read or Simmonds are moved.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 9 @ 2:59 PM ET
Not a fan of Simmonds with those two. I would rather have Gagner there. They will need some playmaker on that line.

Also I am still not sure Hextall is done dealing. I am still saying either Read or Simmonds are moved.

- J35Bacher


I would agree.
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Jul 9 @ 2:59 PM ET
Raffl - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Couturier - Simmonds
Gagner - Lecavalier - Read
PEB - White - Umberger
Laughton

- Streit2ThePoint


raffl-g-v
gag-coots-schenn
umb-laut/cous-simmonds
vinny-peb-white

spare parts: vdv, laut or cous (whoever doesn't play)

Edit: I forgot read....so for the purpose of this exercise... he's injured.

They need to put schenn on the right wing. He played MUCH better there at the end of the season as compared to on the left.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 9 @ 2:59 PM ET
Not a fan of Simmonds with those two. I would rather have Gagner there. They will need some playmaker on that line.

Also I am still not sure Hextall is done dealing. I am still saying either Read or Simmonds are moved.

- J35Bacher

hope not
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jul 9 @ 3:00 PM ET
I don't think it's impossible for him to win a job at camp, but he's going to have to outplay a few people. But yeah, he needs to come to camp as if he was a rookie.
- jmatchett383

I would agree. I just wonder if the fire is still inside of him to want to do that?
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 9 @ 3:01 PM ET
I think anything less than 8yrs $8M is going to be a win for the Flyers
- PhillySportsGuy

that's a lot of dumplings
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jul 9 @ 3:02 PM ET
Raffl - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Couturier - Simmonds
Gagner - Lecavalier - Read
PEB - White - Umberger
Laughton

- Streit2ThePoint


Gagner-Giroux-Simmonds
Read-Couturier-Schenn
Raffl-Laughton-Voracek
Umberger-PEB-White
VV, Lecavalier

boom
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 9 @ 3:03 PM ET
Bill who were some guys drafted say over the last 20 years who you thought would be nhl players and just didn't pan out? Some guys you liked.

for me a few guys:
shane Kenny
Petr Hubacek
Jason Beckett
Ryan Potulny
Stefan Ruzicka

- rinaldo


Specific to the Flyers system, Maxime Ouellet, Jean-Marc Pelletier, Alexander Drozdetsky, Tomas Divisek, Jason Beckett, Jeff Staples, Pär Styf, Simon Bertilsson.
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jul 9 @ 3:04 PM ET
Does anyone know the name of the other young Russian Dman we tried to sign from khl right before we signed medvedev
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 9 @ 3:04 PM ET
Gagner-Giroux-Simmonds
Read-Couturier-Schenn
Raffl-Laughton-Voracek
Umberger-PEB-White
VV, Lecavalier

boom

- mochoson


I don't think Voracek will be a happy camper
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jul 9 @ 3:05 PM ET
Specific to the Flyers system, Maxime Ouellet, Jean-Marc Pelletier, Alexander Drozdetsky, Tomas Divisek, Jason Beckett, Jeff Staples, Pär Styf, Simon Bertilsson.
- bmeltzer

interesting list. Par Styf is someone I actually don't remember.

Droz just never wanted to come over correct? beckett was hyped pretty good. what ever happened with bertilsson?

there is a good blog idea for you!!!
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Jul 9 @ 3:06 PM ET
Gagner-Giroux-Simmonds
Read-Couturier-Schenn
Raffl-Laughton-Voracek
Umberger-PEB-White
VV, Lecavalier

boom

- mochoson


That's not a bad looking. I like gagner on g's left. Wonder how that 3rd line would do.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jul 9 @ 3:07 PM ET
I don't think Voracek will be a happy camper
- Streit2ThePoint

LOL
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Jul 9 @ 3:10 PM ET
Does anyone know the name of the other young Russian Dman we tried to sign from khl right before we signed medvedev
- mydoglicks

zaitsev
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