For those of you who feel that Dallas won that trade outright, give your heads a shake.

First of all, Patrick Sharp - WAS a great player but he is now 33. The chances are he'll have a decent year next year but after that, who knows. He's been fairly injury prone due to his robust style and it can only get worse. So in effect, when you say Dallas got the best player, yes, perhaps, but how long will he be servicable? (and his contract of $6.5 is very unfriendly)

I don't know too much about the prospect, but that's what he is at this point in time. We have no idea how things are going to pan out. I'd take a quality player over a prospect every day of the week.

Daley is still a quality defenseman with a very good cap hit ($3.3 million - half of what Sharp makes). He had 16 - yes 16! goals which has to be near the top of the league. He can also play in all situations, skates well, makes a good first pass and is all around a decent defender.

Ryan Garbutt - basically Burrows 2.0. He plays a spirited game and also threw in some decent production (8 goals and 25 points in 67 games). He has a very good contract at $1.6 million and is still only 29. He is a shift disturber and puts the opposition on notice when he's out there.

So there you have it. Two quality players (even I was surprised that Daley scored 16 goals last year) for an aging and injury prone player (who has a significant cap hit) who is approaching his mid-thirties. And please note, just for disclaimer purposes, I'm a huge fan of Sharp (again, I think he'll have a decent year unless the injury bug hits again, but he's a stop gap at best.

The only x-factor in this whole deal is the prospect. But like I said earlier, I'lll take a proven quality player in favour of the usual 'potential' factor.
- Zogg

I hear what you are saying but as far as I'm concerned the team with the best player usually won the trade, in this situation I think it is a fairly even trade because of the cap implications involved for chi.

Johns is a pretty good prospect though and I have more faith in Sharp returning to form than Daley scoring 16 goals again.
I don't see why chi needed to throw in a good prospect to move Sharp, similar to the 5th in the Kassian/prust trade.

Did chi get bent over imo? No but they sold low I think.

No ufa at the deadline is gonna get a first? Is that what you say? What did the kings pay for sekera just 5 months ago....at the deadline? First and a prospect....and sekera walked away.....think before posting please
- Bullfrog77

I'm sure he meant to say no Canuck UFA would garner a first....

And no need to be a Richard...

Why post at all, then? I'm not here to change anyone's mind, I'm here stating the facts about the trade that went down. It is a hockey site, no? and people are here expressing their opinions on all things hockey (and of course burger recipes )
- Zogg

Okay

No ufa at the deadline is gonna get a first? Is that what you say? What did the kings pay for sekera just 5 months ago....at the deadline? First and a prospect....and sekera walked away.....think before posting please
- Bullfrog77

Well at least you've stepped back from two 1sts.

Couldn't trade Edler fast enough...total bust of a player. Get rid of him while the league still believes he has upside.
- Bullfrog77

How is it that the league believes he has upside but a great hockey mind like yourself can see through him?

Curious

How is it that the league believes he has upside but a great hockey mind like yourself can see through him?

Curious
- 1970vintage

I hear what you are saying but as far as I'm concerned the team with the best player usually won the trade, in this situation I think it is a fairly even trade because of the cap implications involved for chi.

Johns is a pretty good prospect though and I have more faith in Sharp returning to form than Daley scoring 16 goals again.
I don't see why chi needed to throw in a good prospect to move Sharp, similar to the 5th in the Kassian/prust trade.

Did chi get bent over imo? No but they sold low I think.
- belcherbd

I guess, as is the usual case, only time will really tell who won the trade. Yes, Patrick Sharp is definitely the best player in the trade; however, it all depends on how much gas he has left in the tank and whether or not he still has a few good years left. I would be wary of his propensity of getting injured, though. At 33, things like that can only get worse.

And as I noted, I haven't watched Johns play so can't really comment on that. That said, he is a prospect and we are talking about potential only, at this point in time. Perhaps someone could provide some further info on this player?

How is it that the league believes he has upside but a great hockey mind like yourself can see through him?

Curious
- 1970vintage

Haven't stepped back from anything....two firsts or a first and high end prospect.....sekera got a first and high end prospect and hamhuis is a much better player. Certainly more valuable to a cup caliber team.

No ufa at the deadline is gonna get a first? Is that what you say? What did the kings pay for sekera just 5 months ago....at the deadline? First and a prospect....and sekera walked away.....think before posting please
- Bullfrog77

Think before posting yourself, Sekera is younger (29) and is in the middle of his prime compared to Hamhuis and posted better numbers offensively, also LA was banking on resigning him long-term. I'll rephrase, no over 30+ UFA will get a 1st round pick this year, if so, I'll be very surprised.

Edler is a grossly overpaid Kassian. Big body that he won't use below average vision an play in his own zone, and for whatever reason had a pretty good shot but no longer seems to get it by the high checker. Atleast Kassian had emotion. Edler is an uninspired dead fish on the back end. I'd be happy with a Bieksa like return just to have the roster spot freed up

Think before posting yourself, Sekera is younger (29) and is in the middle of his prime compared to Hamhuis and posted better numbers offensively, also LA was banking on resigning him long-term. I'll rephrase, no over 30+ UFA will get a 1st round pick this year, if so, I'll be very surprised.
- DariusKnight

Why post at all, then? I'm not here to change anyone's mind, I'm here stating the facts about the trade that went down. It is a hockey site, no? and people are here expressing their opinions on all things hockey (and of course burger recipes )
- Zogg

I believe you are a valuable contributor to the conversation.

Hope you are having a good weekend.

I'm about to go see a concert.

I believe you are a valuable contributor to the conversation.

Hope you are having a good weekend.

I'm about to go see a concert.
- hillbillydeluxe

This is the worst haiku I have ever seen, totally got it wrong.

Ughhh.....not beating a dead horse but do a lil research before running you're mouth. Hamhuis and Sekera had exactly the same point totals last season....and hammer played like 15 less games... And what differance would sekeras age make? You're point was no player would garner that return....which of course clearly happened. One playoff run for all the marbles I'd be willing to bet every team would rather run with hamhuis then sekera....so I say again...why couldn't he garner that kind of return?

It's much easier to have a conversation with someone when you include their text in the conversation, so they know you are talking to them

This is the worst haiku I have ever seen, totally got it wrong.
- 1970vintage

It's much easier to have a conversation with someone when you include their text in the conversation, so they know you are insulting them.


- 1970vintage

fixed.

T.O.P baby!

No it isn't

I believe you are a valuable contributor to the conversation.

Hope you are having a good weekend.

I'm about to go see a concert.
- hillbillydeluxe

Thanks Hillbilly! appreciate the shout out. Hope you, too, are enjoying the weekend (I can't believe we've finally had a reprieve from this #!@$# heatwave - thank you, Jebus )

What concert are you seeing?

Thanks Hillbilly! appreciate the shout out. Hope you, too, are enjoying the weekend (I can't believe we've finally had a reprieve from this #!@$# heatwave - thank you, Jebus )

What concert are you seeing?
- Zogg

Journey, ToP and SM. Looking forward to seeing Tower of Power. Don't really care about Steve Miller though.

I appreciate when someone spells out their pov, and reasoning. Sometimes it is enlightening and sometimes it is

Also, Edler had more goals, more assists, more points, a better +/-, more hits, more blocked shots, more penalty minutes and averaged about 2:30 more ice per game than Hamhuis, He also won a IIHF World Championship in 2013 and an Olympic silver medal, where he had 1 goal and 1 assist in 4 games (more than Hamhuis) so he must be better...

Journey. Looking forward to seeing Tower of Power. Don't really care about Steve Miller though.

I appreciate when someone spells out their pov, and reasoning. Sometimes it is enlightening and sometimes it is



- hillbillydeluxe

ahhhh some classic retro. Great stuff - yah, Tower of Power had some fabulous tune-age. I don't mind Miller but I'd rather see Journey and TOP. Call me when you get home, I'll be worried

Journey, ToP and SM. Looking forward to seeing Tower of Power. Don't really care about Steve Miller though.

I appreciate when someone spells out their pov, and reasoning. Sometimes it is enlightening and sometimes it is



- hillbillydeluxe

Yah, you never know what you are gonna get with this bunch lol. Most of the time there is quality debate, though, and it's definitely refreshing to see there are quite a few people here that know their stuff

(and of course being a culinary and fishing site at various times - I feel I've learned quite a bit!)