Journey, ToP and SM. Looking forward to seeing Tower of Power. Don't really care about Steve Miller though.

I appreciate when someone spells out their pov, and reasoning. Sometimes it is enlightening and sometimes it is



- hillbillydeluxe

Man, just looked at their website, those guys have gotten fat!

Yah, you never know what you are gonna get with this bunch lol. Most of the time there is quality debate, though, and it's definitely refreshing to see there are quite a few people here that know their stuff

(and of course being a culinary and fishing site at various times - I feel I've learned quite a bit!)
- Zogg

Mixed bag, everyone is pretty good though. More or less respectful and I do like the off topic stuff. Always something new to learn, restaurants or beers. Fishing and bbq. Some status updates on families, kids, grandkids, and parents. Shared knowledge.

A nice little community.

Also, Edler had more goals, more assists, more points, a better +/-, more hits, more blocked shots, more penalty minutes and averaged about 2:30 more ice per game than Hamhuis, He also won a IIHF World Championship in 2013 and an Olympic silver medal, where he had 1 goal and 1 assist in 4 games (more than Hamhuis) so he must be better...
- 1970vintage

Who the hell are you talking to?

One another note from early posts I hope vey can get it together this year. If not he should be moved or kept in AHL.

And bartkowski we'll see what he brings. I know he can score and hits hard. But we'll see. Hope hes good with puck lugging.

Who the hell are you talking to?
- A_SteamingLombardi

So....you can no longer defend you're original post so your just going to invent poop to feel better? Hard to hold a reasonable conversation if you're not going to add anything of substance....if you think Edler is better then Hamhuis then good for you . Little off topic. But fine I'll offer my thoughts. Just because willie played edler more does not make him a better defence man . There's a lot of reasons why he was the worst += player in the league season before last. I'd choose hamhuis over Edler in ANY defensive situation because he's positionaly sound and won't get beat in a one on one battle. Something that happens to edler several times per game

Who the hell are you talking to?
- A_SteamingLombardi

He's not talking....he's searching. Searching for another Canucks fan that truly believes that Edler does not suck.



#Soulmates

Mixed bag, everyone is pretty good though. More or less respectful and I do like the off topic stuff. Always something new to learn, restaurants or beers. Fishing and bbq. Some status updates on families, kids, grandkids, and parents. Shared knowledge.

A nice little community.
- hillbillydeluxe

Yah, me too (enjoy the off-topic stuff), it puts a bit of a personal touch on things. And it's great to see so many regular posters on here, which makes things that much more enjoyable in terms of getting different perspectives/ideas. You also get a pretty good sense of one's personality due to the fact it is a bit of a community. Good stuff all around .

One another note from early posts I hope vey can get it together this year. If not he should be moved or kept in AHL.

And bartkowski we'll see what he brings. I know he can score and hits hard. But we'll see. Hope hes good with puck lugging.
- SMBDragon

Remember that Vey was a rookie, and not a top 3 pick rookie, just a regular old 4th round pick who's likelihood of ever making the NHL was slim to none. But, he had a lot of success in the AHL and now appears ready to take the next step. What's the big hurry, it's not like the 2nd round pick they gave up to acquire him would be playing in the NHL this year.

Bartowski simply replaces Bieksa, at less than half the cap hit. Don't expect huge things from him either.

This is the worst haiku I have ever seen, totally got it wrong.
- 1970vintage

So....you can no longer defend you're original post so your just going to invent poop to feel better? Hard to hold a reasonable conversation if you're not going to add anything of substance....if you think Edler is better then Hamhuis then good for you . Little off topic. But fine I'll offer my thoughts. Just because willie played edler more does not make him a better defence man . There's a lot of reasons why he was the worst += player in the league season before last. I'd choose hamhuis over Edler in ANY defensive situation because he's positionaly sound and won't get beat in a one on one battle. Something that happens to edler several times per game
- Bullfrog77

Well not only that Edler is bad enough to usually make his partner suck too. I'd love to see how good Tanev is if he wasn't having to bailout the village idiot every other shift.

Who the hell are you talking to?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Flagged.

Flagged.
- Marwood

I thought it was "Lacked"?

Man, just looked at their website, those guys have gotten fat!
- 1970vintage

It happens to many of us.

Saw a commercial the other day with Mike Reno, he may have eaten his band mates...

I haven't been to a concert in a while. Saw Sting w/Jann Arden around 15 years ago... not much since.

Journey has that Filipino singer and some say he sounds better than Perry.

Leaving in a few minutes, my buddy from Squamish bought the tickets, we were going to meet up sooner but the c2sky was closed much of the day.

So....you can no longer defend you're original post so your just going to invent poop to feel better? Hard to hold a reasonable conversation if you're not going to add anything of substance....if you think Edler is better then Hamhuis then good for you . Little off topic. But fine I'll offer my thoughts. Just because willie played edler more does not make him a better defence man . There's a lot of reasons why he was the worst += player in the league season before last. I'd choose hamhuis over Edler in ANY defensive situation because he's positionaly sound and won't get beat in a one on one battle. Something that happens to edler several times per game
- Bullfrog77

Ya that was under torts though. Lots of players that are regularly good had crap season under torts. Burrows for example.

Edler had better year this season......mjnd you the entire D had a pretty poor season in my opinion.

You know, after last years defensive issues I'd like gulutzen to have a larger role on the bench and see if he can run the D better than lidster who clearly pooped the bed. How any coach can keep sbisa bieksa train wreck together is beyond stupid.

If Edler hadn't lost all his confidence after his back injury, he would be a number 1 defenceman right now. I've suffered from a couple shoulder injuries, and what I've noticed is that the unconscious part of me is always protecting it. Our bodies are wonderful, mysterious things. He might not ever reach his potential, but he's a top 3 defenceman at this time imo. A top 3 defenceman that's making only 5 mill per year.

It happens to many of us.

Saw a commercial the other day with Mike Reno, he may have eaten his band mates... :aah:

I haven't been to a concert in a while. Saw Sting w/Jann Arden around 15 years ago... not much since.

Journey has that Filipino singer and some say he sounds better than Perry.

Leaving in a few minutes, my buddy from Squamish bought the tickets, we were going to meet up sooner but the c2sky was closed much of the day.
- hillbillydeluxe

Remember that Vey was a rookie, and not a top 3 pick rookie, just a regular old 4th round pick who's likelihood of ever making the NHL was slim to none. But, he had a lot of success in the AHL and now appears ready to take the next step. What's the big hurry, it's not like the 2nd round pick they gave up to acquire him would be playing in the NHL this year.

Bartowski simply replaces Bieksa, at less than half the cap hit. Don't expect huge things from him either.
- 1970vintage

Ya I suppose with vey....my understanding was always that he had tried for years to crack nhl lineup.

With bartkowski being a replacement for bieksa he should then play with hamius. The thing about hammer is you can put a high risk guy with him without worrying. Bieksa would never reached high regard in league without hamius.

Thats why bieksa sbisa was so bad, both high risk guys. The genius who kept them together shouldn't current be employed.

If Edler hadn't lost all his confidence after his back injury, he would be a number 1 defenceman right now. I've suffered from a couple shoulder injuries, and what I've noticed is that the unconscious part of me is always protecting it. Our bodies are wonderful, mysterious things. He might not ever reach his potential, but he's a top 3 defenceman at this time imo. A top 3 defenceman that's making only 5 mill per year.
- Gullzy

That's where I disagree, I think he's a #4 at best. I think he has amazing skill but his puck IQ is about a 63 which makes him just a touch above legally retarded and he's a panicky cluster(frank). So those kind of nullify the guys talent. I had high hopes for him until he was about 24 and I realized he would never get any poise or make better decisions. His -39 was no fluke, but I don't think he hit his full potential on that end of things yet.

Ya I suppose with vey....my understanding was always that he had tried for years to crack nhl lineup.

With bartkowski being a replacement for bieksa he should then play with hamius. The thing about hammer is you can put a high risk guy with him without worrying. Bieksa would never reached high regard in league without hamius.

Thats why bieksa sbisa was so bad, both high risk guys. The genius who kept them together shouldn't current be employed.
- SMBDragon

Exact same as Edler...The only season he hasn't been sheltered by Tanev or Salo....-39

Upon checking I see we have way too many L shoot D and few R after m oving bieksa. So that changes my D lineup. Also I think weber is decent at being responsible so best to pair him with guy who he clean up after like sbisa. His size and hitting will open space for weber in return.

Edler - tanev
Hamius -corrado
Sbisa- weber
Bartkowski- Clendening/ fedun

Exact same as Edler...The only season he hasn't been sheltered by Tanev or Salo....-39
- I-own_da-Northwest

Edler is a prototypical example of why this franchise can't break the chains and win a cup ! Everyone involved wanted edler to be the next cross between probger and lidstrom....sure he had the tools, but the toolbox didn't have a lid. He's all hopes an dreams and that poop don't win titles. Players with heart that go to war in the trenches do !

Exact same as Edler...The only season he hasn't been sheltered by Tanev or Salo....-39
- I-own_da-Northwest

My point exactly. Always pair an offensive ,hitting D with a stay at home D.

Edler is a prototypical example of why this franchise can't break the chains and win a cup ! Everyone involved wanted edler to be the next cross between probger and lidstrom....sure he had the tools, but the toolbox didn't have a lid. He's all hopes an dreams and that poop don't win titles. Players with heart that go to war in the trenches do !
- Bullfrog77

Id also say that edler along with most other canucks hasnt had proper defensive nuturing at the nhl level. Thats why the nucks defense has sucked over time. No defensive coaches worth poop for decades.

Crawford crew, um no all offense
Av and bowness, not a chance.
Torts and sulivan, hell no.....absent
Wd and lidster....we all saw that abomination

Canucks need a staff that can run the D better and refine these guys with instruction.
I do like gulutzen, lets give him a crack at running D.


The good news is utica seems to be doing it right. Guys will come up ready.

Ya I suppose with vey....my understanding was always that he had tried for years to crack nhl lineup.

With bartkowski being a replacement for bieksa he should then play with hamius. The thing about hammer is you can put a high risk guy with him without worrying. Bieksa would never reached high regard in league without hamius.

Thats why bieksa sbisa was so bad, both high risk guys. The genius who kept them together shouldn't current be employed.
- SMBDragon

Isn't Lidster responsible for the defense? if that's the case, as you noted, how does he manage to keep his job? definitely a headscratcher to say the least. I think even the most basic/average hockey fan gets it (Sbisa+Bieksa = NOT a good thang)