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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 15 @ 2:21 PM ET
franson
zidlicky
meszaros

3 best out there IMO if you remove the hoff

- homiedclown



Yikes
Slim pickins

No to Meszaros, unless he signs for super cheap so MAYBE we can turn him into a pick at the deadline
I'd be ok with Zidlicky, but I couldn't see him as part of the future here. Just a fill in and possible trade piece
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Jul 15 @ 2:22 PM ET
I guess I thought more highly of him than you
Also,
We have MANY other prospects I'd have rather moved
Fasching, Carrier, Karabacek, Cornel & Hurley come to mind

Compher would've at least been a solid player for us on the 3rd or 4th line, and played wing for us
Is giving up a 3rd liner a big deal?
No, not really
But a strong bottom6 can be the difference between last years rangers & pens
How big a role did Boston's 4th line play in their Cup win?

I'd just rather have moved other guys
Kid is Captain of Michigan for a reason
Plays hard, plays right, is talented, and can skate
I want guys like that on my team

- jdfitz77


We needed to keep wingers, not to mention our winger prospects are good at something not just jack of all trades but not a master of anything like Compher
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 15 @ 2:27 PM ET
How exactly is Luca Sbisa a great name.
- TheSabresTaco



Young guy, decent talent... Still can improve...
I didn't see him lastvyearcreally though,
Did he totally fall apart?
From the reactions of a few here it seems I missed something
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 15 @ 2:33 PM ET
We needed to keep wingers, not to mention our winger prospects are good at something not just jack of all trades but not a master of anything like Compher
- GilPerreault11



Most NHL wingers are centers at some point & get moved over
Compher actually played wing last year
Of the guys I mentioned...
ONLY Fasching is a guy of describe as having a discernible talent, and that's in front of the net... But I hate his skating
What do u say that Karabacek, Cornel, Hurley (center, btw) & Carrier are "masters" of?

And for the record...
I'd say Compher is a "master" at leadership & hard work, which u can never have too much of
He also projects to be a very good PK guy
And has the talent and skating ability to produce somewhat offensively
I like his scrappy play also
Obv, the AVs liked him as much as I do
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 15 @ 2:33 PM ET
Young guy, decent talent... Still can improve...
I didn't see him lastvyearcreally though,
Did he totally fall apart?
From the reactions of a few here it seems I missed something

- jdfitz77


he's just not that good. He's like a trade throw in if you're looking for defensive depth. He is by no means a reliable top 4.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jul 15 @ 2:34 PM ET
Young guy, decent talent... Still can improve...
I didn't see him lastvyearcreally though,
Did he totally fall apart?
From the reactions of a few here it seems I missed something

- jdfitz77


He's pretty much the same type of guy as Meszaros. Doesn't seem like a good idea to give up assets for a guy that isn't any better than one you can sign in free agency.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 15 @ 2:36 PM ET
Yikes
Slim pickins

No to Meszaros, unless he signs for super cheap so MAYBE we can turn him into a pick at the deadline
I'd be ok with Zidlicky, but I couldn't see him as part of the future here. Just a fill in and possible trade piece

- jdfitz77

honestly if they do not get zidlicky or make a trade, mccabe makes the team for second team pp IMO
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 15 @ 2:36 PM ET
NJ is in an issue where they have not reached the cap floor. They need celery on any trade they make.

If they are going to re-build. Why would they trade 23 year old John Merrill and not Andy Greene. But trading Greene removes 5MM and they would need 5MM+ back.

- ImThatGuy



I haven't looked at what they have in their system...
But they can rebuild while still trading young players
It seems like they're trying to revamp their image & be more offensive, so maybe trade some defense for some offense?
Larsson + a Carrier & another forward prospect or pick?
Giving up one good asset, for multiple assets is done quite often
druryisclutch
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 09.21.2006

Jul 15 @ 2:37 PM ET
Sounds better backwards

Asibs Acul

- cabin


You might want to see a doctor for that.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 15 @ 2:37 PM ET
Most NHL wingers are centers at some point & get moved over
Compher actually played wing last year
Of the guys I mentioned...
ONLY Fasching is a guy of describe as having a discernible talent, and that's in front of the net... But I hate his skating
What do u say that Karabacek, Cornel, Hurley (center, btw) & Carrier are "masters" of?

And for the record...
I'd say Compher is a "master" at leadership & hard work, which u can never have too much of
He also projects to be a very good PK guy
And has the talent and skating ability to produce somewhat offensively
I like his scrappy play also
Obv, the AVs liked him as much as I do

- jdfitz77


Right. Fasching and Compher have shown that they will likely have a level of success at the NHL level already. The rest of those guys have not yet shown the ability to play in the NHL yet because they're more or less raw 'skill' guys. Karabacek is actually quite talented, his knock is inconsistency.. same with Cornel. Hurley is a very quality play maker that's just going to need to physically develop and get better in his own zone. So yeah, those 3 are all projects. Despite their draft position, as mentioned previously.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 15 @ 2:39 PM ET
Young guy, decent talent... Still can improve...
I didn't see him lastvyearcreally though,
Did he totally fall apart?
From the reactions of a few here it seems I missed something

- jdfitz77

bottom pair d man

not a problem, not a long term solution

I have no problem if they add him to keep mccabe down
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 15 @ 2:40 PM ET
He's pretty much the same type of guy as Meszaros. Doesn't seem like a good idea to give up assets for a guy that isn't any better than one you can sign in free agency.
- HonkFortheGoose



Wow...
Ok, scratch that idea then

Hmmm

Seems to me we are gonna have to wait until closer to the season, or possibly even next season for Murray to fill in some of these holes

We aren't a Cup team NOW, so there's no real rush
I'm guessing he'll wait for the RIGHT deal to come along

In the meantime,
Maybe we get a guy like Day in next years draft?
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 15 @ 2:40 PM ET
I haven't looked at what they have in their system...
But they can rebuild while still trading young players
It seems like they're trying to revamp their image & be more offensive, so maybe trade some defense for some offense?
Larsson + a Carrier & another forward prospect or pick?
Giving up one good asset, for multiple assets is done quite often

- jdfitz77


Their system is the worst. That team needed to tear down the second Zach Parise left. They have a bunch of grey beards and cast off free agents patchworking their team together, with a few mediocre kids and a pair of decent kids on D. Their prospect system is absolutely ugly.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 15 @ 2:40 PM ET
He's pretty much the same type of guy as Meszaros. Doesn't seem like a good idea to give up assets for a guy that isn't any better than one you can sign in free agency.
- HonkFortheGoose

I'd give them a 4th for him
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 15 @ 2:42 PM ET
I'd give them a 4th for him
- homiedclown


I don't even see the point of getting him for free. Spend more, get more.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 15 @ 2:42 PM ET
Wow...
Ok, scratch that idea then

Hmmm

Seems to me we are gonna have to wait until closer to the season, or possibly even next season for Murray to fill in some of these holes

We aren't a Cup team NOW, so there's no real rush
I'm guessing he'll wait for the RIGHT deal to come along

In the meantime,
Maybe we get a guy like Day in next years draft?

- jdfitz77

sbisa is a decent skater and can make the outlet pass

his is better then what some are saying
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 15 @ 2:43 PM ET
sbisa is a decent skater and can make the outlet pass

his is better then what some are saying

- homiedclown


He's a lesser Mark Pysyk. Don't need 2 Pysyks.
Sabresfan88
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville, TN
Joined: 08.01.2011

Jul 15 @ 2:44 PM ET
Their system is the worst. That team needed to tear down the second Zach Parise left. They have a bunch of grey beards and cast off free agents patchworking their team together, with a few mediocre kids and a pair of decent kids on D. Their prospect system is absolutely ugly.
- TheSabresTaco

Yea.
Devils might have the worst situation in the entire NHL.


TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 15 @ 2:45 PM ET
We should sign Kaleta to be a top 4 LHD. He punches face and he tries pretty hard.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 15 @ 2:45 PM ET
Right. Fasching and Compher have shown that they will likely have a level of success at the NHL level already. The rest of those guys have not yet shown the ability to play in the NHL yet because they're more or less raw 'skill' guys. Karabacek is actually quite talented, his knock is inconsistency.. same with Cornel. Hurley is a very quality play maker that's just going to need to physically develop and get better in his own zone. So yeah, those 3 are all projects. Despite their draft position, as mentioned previously.
- TheSabresTaco



Ok, I can agree with most of that
But it still doesn't mean that some could project Karabacek as a 2nd/3rd liner & Compher as a 4th
Regardless of their stage of development,
I'd think most GMs are looking 5years down the line when they trade for 19-20 year olds

And I'd much rather have Compher than Fasching
His skating really bothers me, it's bad
Sabres should hire whoever has been working with Bailey to work with Fasching

Bailey (BC of skating) went from a pick I was on the fence about, to my TOP Sabres prospect
He looked REALLY good, and FAST on Thursday, esp for a guy his size
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 15 @ 2:45 PM ET
He's a lesser Mark Pysyk. Don't need 2 Pysyks.
- TheSabresTaco

he is a known that has done it at the nhl level for years and has not collapsed recently


hardly a lesser at this time
SabreWest
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BC
Joined: 03.02.2015

Jul 15 @ 2:47 PM ET
sbisa is a decent skater and can make the outlet pass

his is better then what some are saying

- homiedclown


Respectfully disagree. Sbisa is bad. Just ask any Canucks fan. If they could give him away for a bag of pucks, they would. Hamhuis (another lefty) on the other hand is more interesting to me.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 15 @ 2:47 PM ET
Go get Hamhuis.
- ImThatGuy



I like that idea
I'll give two 3rds, since we have a bunch
Sabresfan88
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville, TN
Joined: 08.01.2011

Jul 15 @ 2:47 PM ET
Finally, OneBuffalo shipped my Jack Eichel's road jersey today!!
So damn excited!
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 15 @ 2:49 PM ET
Respectfully disagree. Sbisa is bad. Just ask any Canucks fan. If they could give him away for a bag of pucks, they would. Hamhuis (another lefty) on the other hand is more interesting to me.

- SabreWest

hamhuis is much better and costs much more
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