Ok you cant see it. Dont discredit it just cant you dont get it
- SMBDragon

mkay, I don't get.

If you watched the games you would know that players don't have any thoughts of their own. They have an ear piece in and just follow the head coaches instructions. Hockey players are simpletons.
- CanuckDon

Never did I say players were needing ear pieces....thats your own interpretations.

Maybe this is above some here.
Others here agree, wd got outcoached.

Beksas always was like that. It use to be Willy Mitchell who made Bieksa look solid defensively. There have actually been very few compatible dmen in Bieksas career. No Mitchell or Hammer... very exposed Bieksa.
- boonerbuck

Exactly.!!!!!
Dude why cant most fans see this?

No they dont, but youre taking it wrong. If youre not tweaking a game period by period you risk losing to a coach who does.

Lots of fans dont truly understand how the game works. I played it, I get it.

No guys its not all about players.....sure you gotta have the horses and sometimes players make amazing efforts but generally playoff wins are all about which coach bested the other. If it were the players do you really expect an entire team of individual players to make the same mistakes etc and decidedly as a group collapse? No thats impossible odds.....that comes from the head down.
- SMBDragon

I played Junior A until I blew out my knee at 17 some two decades ago, coaches have less to do with the game than the players. In the playoffs, it's all about bounces, mistakes, health and matchups and who can take advantage of them. If the players don't execute, then nothing the coach can do will make a difference. Again, other than matchups and clock management of player ice time, the coach has very little to do with what happens on ice.

Is it the coaches fault if a player misses a check, or falls down or has a puck take a crazy bounce off of the boards, or pinballs around a couple of legs before going into the net?

Never did I say players were needing ear pieces....thats your own interpretations.

Maybe this is above some here.
Others here agree, wd got outcoached.
- SMBDragon

Dude, you are so (frank)ing patronizing its agonizing. I'm sure you played, so have a lot of the rest of us. I've had lots of coaches in lots of sports, who have all had an impact, but once the puck drops, or whatever analogy you want to use, its all about the athletes. Sure, between periods a coach may have some words for his group, but you can't change the entire way you do things in 15 minutes after 82 games.

Joel Quenville is a good coach, but he's got incredible talent, as does John cooper, as does Alain Vigneault etc.

Beksas always was like that. It use to be Willy Mitchell who made Bieksa look solid defensively. There have actually been very few compatible dmen in Bieksas career. No Mitchell or Hammer... very exposed Bieksa.
- boonerbuck

Which is also why whoever ran the D this last year should be unemployed

No they dont, but youre taking it wrong. If youre not tweaking a game period by period you risk losing to a coach who does.

Lots of fans dont truly understand how the game works. I played it, I get it.

No guys its not all about players.....sure you gotta have the horses and sometimes players make amazing efforts but generally playoff wins are all about which coach bested the other. If it were the players do you really expect an entire team of individual players to make the same mistakes etc and decidedly as a group collapse? No thats impossible odds.....that comes from the head down.
- SMBDragon

We can easily roll back and quote you as saying it's all about the coaches. I haven't seen anyone actually say it's all about the players though...

I've said it before, Benning and WD were hired to get us to the end of the Sedin era and transition to a new core, then they'll be let go for a Brian Burke/Pat Quinn type that can get us to the next level and beyond.
- DariusKnight

I know right... not only does it make sense... but it looks like they are following that plan. People just need a couple of years for it to sink in I guess.

Read again.....I never spoke of the teams desire to build.....so how am I confused? Read again so you wont be confused what we're talking about
- SMBDragon

Why is WD inexperience in the playoffs have to be concerning then? We are years away from being that team again. Why not hire a coach who is supposed to be a developer for this transition period we are in(like they just did). Bring in a heavy hitter coach in a few years when these kids start heading into their prime... get it?

Dude, you are so (frank)ing patronizing its agonizing. I'm sure you played, so have a lot of the rest of us. I've had lots of coaches in lots of sports, who have all had an impact, but once the puck drops, or whatever analogy you want to use, its all about the athletes. Sure, between periods a coach may have some words for his group, but you can't change the entire way you do things in 15 minutes after 82 games.

Joel Quenville is a good coach, but he's got incredible talent, as does John cooper, as does Alain Vigneault etc.
- 1970vintage

I guess I should be more specific.... theres 2 main types of coaches, playoff coaches and regular season coaches. Due to the difference in play one is often incompatible with the other. Take sutter for example...playoffs genius, but on their cup run only made playoffs by a point.... ( with LA im meaning). He says its harder to make playoffs than win the cup. Guys who have great seasons cant cut it in the playoffs, AV, boudreau come to mind. Guys like babcock, sutter, hartley, cooper, laviolette and of course the legend scotty bowman the golden tweaker are playoff coaches and thus their seasons often suffer.

We clearly dont have a playoff coach and we got beat by one, cause thats his house not wds.

Sorry you never had playoff coaches on your teams. We won championships with ours. Admittedly they are rare coaches.

We can easily roll back and quote you as saying it's all about the coaches. I haven't seen anyone actually say it's all about the players though...
- boonerbuck

Yes and ill say it again....its all about coaching in the playoffs. I never changed what I said. Read again

Why is WD inexperience in the playoffs have to be concerning then? We are years away from being that team again. Why not hire a coach who is supposed to be a developer for this transition period we are in(like they just did). Bring in a heavy hitter coach in a few years when these kids start heading into their prime... get it?



- boonerbuck

We have no way of knowing if this is the case.

Nothing wrong with winning some playoffs series in the meantime. Good experience for the kids if developing them is the goal right?

Exactly.!!!!!
Dude why cant most fans see this?
- SMBDragon

Because Bieksa was a fighter and fans love that kind of personality. You really ask for it when you talk about the flaws of their fave player. I had to deal with so many of Bieksa's #1 fans over the years getting thier hackles up. Just the way some people are. I always said Beiksa was made of Teflon when it came down to accountability. He could have a disaster game costing performance... drop the gloves and instantly "he had a great game but Luongo lost the game for us.

Because Bieksa was a fighter and fans love that kind of personality. You really ask for it when you talk about the flaws of their fave player. I had to deal with so many of Bieksa's #1 fans over the years getting thier hackles up. Just the way some people are. I always said Beiksa was made of Teflon when it came down to accountability. He could have a disaster game costing performance... drop the gloves and instantly "he had a great game but Luongo lost the game for us.

- boonerbuck

You could say that about:

Edler
Bieksa
Rome
Ballard

The list goes on.

We haven't had a decent defenseman since before Ohlund got hit in the eye with a puck.

Yes and ill say it again....its all about coaching in the playoffs. I never changed what I said. Read again
- SMBDragon

So the Cnucks have a Stanly Cup contender... just the wrong coach. gotcha


Here I was thinking the Sedins we getting really old and we don't have a second line or even a #1 defenseman... there's a long gap in our group of prospects and...

never mind....

Because Bieksa was a fighter and fans love that kind of personality. You really ask for it when you talk about the flaws of their fave player. I had to deal with so many of Bieksa's #1 fans over the years getting thier hackles up. Just the way some people are. I always said Beiksa was made of Teflon when it came down to accountability. He could have a disaster game costing performance... drop the gloves and instantly "he had a great game but Luongo lost the game for us.

- boonerbuck

Omg thats so true! Fans blindly blamed lou constantly, yet the D hung him out to dry over and over. And no one saw it.

Dude Im thinking 95% of fans dont understand the game that well. Maybe higher. It seems most people dont actually watch games but instead look at score sheets and think it tells the story.

You could say that about:

Edler
Bieksa
Rome
Ballard

The list goes on.

We haven't had a decent defenseman since before Ohlund got hit in the eye with a puck.
- DariusKnight

True. Non of them as over rated as Bieksa imo. Edler... we'll see how he looks this year. Is it just Tanev responsible for the rebound? Possibly.

So the Cnucks have a Stanly Cup contender... just the wrong coach. gotcha


Here I was thinking the Sedins we getting really old and we don't have a second line or even a #1 defenseman... there's a long gap in our group of prospects and...

never mind....
- boonerbuck

You obviously need a coach who can win in the playoffs ...what about that John torterella guy ...he has a cup ...,oh ...wait ...now I'm confused

So the Cnucks have a Stanly Cup contender... just the wrong coach. gotcha


Here I was thinking the Sedins we getting really old and we don't have a second line or even a #1 defenseman... there's a long gap in our group of prospects and...

never mind....
- boonerbuck

I never said we were and contender. Where do you get this stuff? I only said WD got outcoached.....as did other posters here.

You obviously dont have a clue of what im saying. So just put it to bed then

We have no way of knowing if this is the case.

Nothing wrong with winning some playoffs series in the meantime. Good experience for the kids if developing them is the goal right?
- SMBDragon

Wait, you just daid there were only two kinds of coaches...playoffs and reg season?

Now you think the Canucks should have both?

Why is a playoff coach for a playoff team and a developing coach for a developing team not make sense? How high am I... (checks stash)

Another thing about your theory is... why the (frank) would a coach who's strengths and desires are the playoffs sign here?

True. Non of them as over rated as Bieksa imo. Edler... we'll see how he looks this year. Is it just Tanev responsible for the rebound? Possibly.
- boonerbuck

Agreed. Edler had a better year and tanev has emerged. Tanev cleans up for him. See how edler is this year.

Personally id like a new D coach and then re look at everyone.

Someone had a point earlier about sbisa beeing very physical. Which is why he can create space for a weber pairing, since weber is kinda tiny and all yet defensively responsible usually

I never said we were and contender. Where do you get this stuff? I only said WD got outcoached.....as did other posters here.

You obviously dont have a clue of what im saying. So just put it to bed then
- SMBDragon

No, you said it's all about the coach in the playoffs and have argued against the people who said you have to have he right players on your team as well.

So that means we could hire a really good playoff coach with these too young and too old (or useless) players and do as well as Tampa... did... becuase as you say, it's all about the coach in the playoffs.

Wait, you just daid there were only two kinds of coaches...playoffs and reg season?

Now you think the Canucks should have both?

Why is a playoff coach for a playoff team and a developing coach for a developing team not make sense? How high am I... (checks stash)

Another thing about your theory is... why the (frank) would a coach who's strengths and desires are the playoffs sign here?

- boonerbuck

AV was a regular season coach. Hes clueless in playoffs. Playoff coaches mop the floor with him. Julien, quenniville, sutter.

Ya that last question was funny.....

No, you said it's all about the coach in the playoffs and have argued against the people who said you have to have he right players on your team as well.

So that means we could hire a really good playoff coach with these too young and too old (or useless) players and do as well as Tampa... did... becuase as you say, it's all about the coach in the playoffs.


- boonerbuck

Technically yes. If hes good enough. And thats happened before too. Buffalos ahd a couple trips deep in playoffs.

But its more likely if you have the horsepower to get there too.

Geez this whole thing started with the WD got outcoached by hartley topic.....its got twisted from there.tthere.to all posters...... please read carefully what ive actually said.....dont skim and assume you got it

No, you said it's all about the coach in the playoffs and have argued against the people who said you have to have he right players on your team as well.

So that means we could hire a really good playoff coach with these too young and too old (or useless) players and do as well as Tampa... did... becuase as you say, it's all about the coach in the playoffs.


- boonerbuck

I never said you dont need good players to actually ake it go. Dude I think youre getting tired or something. We tend to be old farts on here. Sure tomorrow it'll make more sense

Same with m y typing