I've been on the the Lack over Miller bandwagon since, Miller was signed but I think the debate was always Lack vs Markstrom for mgmt, and choose Markstrom.

I also think that is the wrong choice but can see why the younger goalie could be preferable.
- belcherbd

I still don't understand the miller signing.

And nobody give me this poop that the veteran players requested it so JB had to find a legit starter. That's horsepoop.

Carolina is only 6 million above the floor anyways, I'm sure they could handle retaining some salary.
- belcherbd

Maybe later when somebody gets desperate for a goalie.

I still don't understand the miller signing.

And nobody give me this poop that the veteran players requested it so JB had to find a legit starter. That's horsepoop.
- bloatedmosquito

I think it is legit to say he needed to bring some stability to net but the idea that he had to pay 18 million and give a NTC is what is hard to understand.

Maybe later when somebody gets desperate for a goalie.
- BINGO!

Like I said Edm will be calling around the 25 game mark and they are still bleeding goals.....

Like I said Edm will be calling around the 25 game mark and they are still bleeding goals.....
- belcherbd

Yep. Can't wait...

I still don't understand the miller signing.

And nobody give me this poop that the veteran players requested it so JB had to find a legit starter. That's horsepoop.
- bloatedmosquito

There was no reason to sign him. Everyone and their dog knew he wasn't worth anywhere close to what he got.

Good luck moving a goalie with a $6 million cap hit.

There's more than one out there people are trying to get rid of...
- BINGO!

Jim banning told the public a few days ago he had offers for miller shyt brick.

I still don't understand the miller signing.

And nobody give me this poop that the veteran players requested it so JB had to find a legit starter. That's horsepoop.
- bloatedmosquito

Reading Carol's blog about Eddie being shaky in the playoffs. I had no issue with him being pulled in the 2nd to last playoff game, thought he should have gotten the start for the last game.

Also, was wondering if the shaky Lack asked management, at the exit interviews, asked for a better defence and more run support?

If Lack could have garnered a higher pick, maybe he could have garnered an additional later round pick if they were dealing with Edmonton?

If you choose to move Lack because you think he isn't a number 1, just get the best deal possible. Sounds like they were hedging their bets.

If management is worried about attendance, Eddie playing in the same division might help sell tickets when we play against those teams.

I still don't understand the miller signing.

And nobody give me this poop that the veteran players requested it so JB had to find a legit starter. That's horsepoop.
- bloatedmosquito

Ya me either.
I think after watching jb for awhile ive come to see he just had his guys jn mind before he even got here. Same with bartkowski.

Remember that despite being a fan favorite lack waited like 22 games or something like that to start a single game. They never wanted him, from the start of the season for whatever reason.
I have a possible reason why...and thats just wondering if his aloof nature made him not be taken seriously and wanted someone with deep focus. Kinda makes sense especially if you look at it from the start of the season when they dont even know him yet.

I still don't understand the miller signing.

And nobody give me this poop that the veteran players requested it so JB had to find a legit starter. That's horsepoop.
- bloatedmosquito

JB wanted Miller. Bottom line. Lack was never the goalie he was going to roll with. Miller is not a 6 million dollar upgrade on Lack but he is an upgrade. People can throw statistics all they want. Miller is better.

Ya me either.
I think after watching jb for awhile ive come to see he just had his guys jn mind before he even got here. Same with bartkowski.

Remember that despite being a fan favorite lack waited like 22 games or something like that to start a single game. They never wanted him, from the start of the season for whatever reason.
I have a possible reason why...and thats just wondering if his aloof nature made him not be taken seriously and wanted someone with deep focus. Kinda makes sense especially if you look at it from the start of the season when they dont even know him yet.
- SMBDragon

Lack needs to be more focused, professional and detail orientated like JB.

I think it is legit to say he needed to bring some stability to net but the idea that he had to pay 18 million and give a NTC is what is hard to understand.
- belcherbd

Stability in net for a rebuild? Why?

JB wanted Miller. Bottom line. Lack was never the goalie he was going to roll with. Miller is not a 6 million dollar upgrade on Lack but he is an upgrade. People can throw statistics all they want. Miller is better.
- thundachunk

Ryan Miller Checked out back when he was embarrassed in St Louis.

The guy is on the money making train now.

Expect a solid year from him in 16/17, which is his contract year.

JB wanted Miller. Bottom line. Lack was never the goalie he was going to roll with. Miller is not a 6 million dollar upgrade on Lack but he is an upgrade. People can throw statistics all they want. Miller is better.
- thundachunk

But as I said above, why need a better goalie during a rebuild? Use Lack as your transition goalie through the rebuild. Cheaper and younger and has a silly personality that would serve him well during the really, really bad times.

Why does Miller want to be a goalie for a rebuilding team? You would think he would want to go to a contender at such a late stage in his career. I guess the money JB through at him was too hard to resist.

But as I said above, why need a better goalie during a rebuild? Use Lack as your transition goalie through the rebuild. Cheaper and younger and has a silly personality that would serve him well during the really, really bad times.

Why does Miller want to be a goalie for a rebuilding team? You would think he would want to go to a contender at such a late stage in his career. I guess the money JB through at him was too hard to resist.
- bloatedmosquito

Nobody in management actually stated this was gunna be a full rebuild and what Classic stated above about miller in it for the money is pretty accurate.

Lack needs to be more focused, professional and detail orientated like JB.
- hillbillydeluxe

Ya hes too much the big kid still. Pretty sure linden and jb couldn't get past that.
But who cares if the on ice product is good. I always found lack was never out of position. Hes exceptional that way.

But the perspective we share sure explains miller and keeping markstrom too

Although miller for 2 years max not 3

Stability in net for a rebuild? Why?
- bloatedmosquito

EDM rebuild ...no stability in net

Cgy rebuild ...stability

Having someone who is capable of covering up young players mistakes makes them seem not as bad

Also I think the way Eddie lack finished the season after the Luongo trade was more than reason enough to get a proven vet. I would put some of the blame on the team but Lack did very little to help his cause then...3 years and 18 million may have been a head scratcher but something had to be done

Ryan Miller Checked out back when he was embarrassed in St Louis.

The guy is on the money making train now.

Expect a solid year from him in 16/17, which is his contract year.
- classic321

Agree. JB paying off old friends.

EDM rebuild ...no stability in net

Cgy rebuild ...stability

Having someone who is capable of covering up young players mistakes makes them seem not as bad

Also I think the way Eddie lack finished the season after the Luongo trade was more than reason enough to get a proven vet. I would put some of the blame on the team but Lack did very little to help his cause then...3 years and 18 million may have been a head scratcher but something had to be done
- Redmile247

So the flames make the playoffs so their rebuild is a success? I would give it another season or two before making that claim.

But as I said above, why need a better goalie during a rebuild? Use Lack as your transition goalie through the rebuild. Cheaper and younger and has a silly personality that would serve him well during the really, really bad times.

Why does Miller want to be a goalie for a rebuilding team? You would think he would want to go to a contender at such a late stage in his career. I guess the money JB through at him was too hard to resist.
- bloatedmosquito

They aren't rebuilding. Listen to Trevor and Benning. Getting younger on the fly

They aren't rebuilding. Listen to Trevor and Benning. Getting younger on the fly
- CanuckDon

Retool, reload. They don't want to tank, they want to stay competitive and leave it to scouting to find the gems in the middle of the 1st round.

As long as JB holds onto his picks, it isn't a bad plan, just have to stay the course. Chances are we may see another top 10 pick if we miss the playoffs once or twice over the next 5 years.

Nobody in management actually stated this was gunna be a full rebuild and what Classic stated above about miller in it for the money is pretty accurate.
- SRam19

If you were Miller, what would you do? want?

In it for the money? How about Toews and Kane?

They all want to be paid.

They aren't rebuilding. Listen to Trevor and Benning. Getting younger on the fly
- CanuckDon

Exactly, whether or not they will be successful is another story but they have been very clear with what their goals are and TBH, I much prefer a team that is always looking to be competitive.

I will accuse this mgmt of many things but not tanking or being disingenuous with what their plans are, which I do respect.

So the flames make the playoffs so their rebuild is a success? I would give it another season or two before making that claim.
- bloatedmosquito

I'm not saying the rebuild is over and it's a success ...just saying stability in net helps things go a lot better. are you saying that a teams stability in net has zero implications on how players can develop ?

If you were Miller, what would you do? want?

In it for the money? How about Toews and Kane?

They all want to be paid.
- hillbillydeluxe

Geez relax bud, im just saying thats his only motivation and classic stated it perfectly.

Ryan Miller Checked out back when he was embarrassed in St Louis.

The guy is on the money making train now.

Expect a solid year from him in 16/17, which is his contract year.
- classic321