Winnipeg got in by the skin of their teeth, until their goaltending improves they aren't going to make it this year.

Dallas has a really crappy defense and goaltending and will be where they are again.

LA will have a bounceback season and likely make the playoffs this year

Calgary overachieved like Colorado did and will regress, but only because they lack goaltending.

Minnesota is fading fast, they still have no real offense and the contracts of Suter and Parise are going to drag that franchise down for a long time to come.

Colorado will be better this year, but until they get some veteran help on their D, they'll still flounder a bit.

Edmonton will be better, but how much will depend on if Nurse and Klefbom can become that dominant #1-2 pair on D and if Talbot can play like he did in New York. McDavid makes their offense that much better.

All in all, we'll contend for one of the wildcard spots and either make it or be 9th. We aren't good enough to challenge for a top spot, but we aren't going to be bad enough and the teams around us improve that much to push us to the bottom.
- DariusKnight

Good assessment but I disagree with some of it. Doesn't matter anyway as long as they don't finish 9th.

By the love of god do not finish 9th!

Because it's horsepoop.

With the current roster as it stands, where do you have the canucks finishing?

My point being there is no way in hell that our team's roster can compete in our conference. That's an undeniable fact. Rebuild is required and that's what JB is doing so I have no problem with that. It's just Miller seems to be a silly diversion from an otherwise good teardown.

Sure if you want to get your pom poms out and cheer on the fellas go right ahead. Stay positive and think to yourself "if they can just make the playoffs anything can happen!"

But I ain't buying the poop those marketing twats are selling.
- bloatedmosquito

This is exactly what I mean. JB walks into a poopload of NTC's and you just dismiss the complications. You claim it was a full tear down last summer.... but how? Why are the Sedin's, Hamhuis, Higgins, and Burrows still here? Why did they wait a year to move Bieksa?

You say the Kesler Bieksa moves makes it obvious of the tear down? Kesler demanded a trade... he forced it. You just totally flipped that to support your tear down theory... and like I said... Bieksa was still here last year... so it was just Kesler moved from the old core who demanded out.

Semantics? Oh, ok. When your fingers are not in your ears you are altering what happened to oppose the Miller signing. I don't understand... for someone to go to these lengths, there must be an agenda. Why so early?

If they decide to give JV his 9 games then I think you see Kenins go back to Utica.

He has 35 more games until is is waiver eligible and can move back and forth without any worries until he plays those games.

I think Grenier will be the 13th forward regardless of what JV does, they might try to sneak him through later in the season but probably want to see whether he is ready before making that decision. They more or less know what they are going to get from Kenins and I think it would make sense if they use his waiver status to their advantage while deciding on Grenier or JV.

All of this of course is moot if there is an injury or a trade.
- belcherbd

Thats what ive said too. Sven is locked JV makes team and they may keep grenier as a 13.

Good assessment but I disagree with some of it. Doesn't matter anyway as long as they don't finish 9th.

By the love of god do not finish 9th!
- bloatedmosquito

I'm fine with people disagreeing with my assessment, I look at trends and chemistry. I'm sure you disagree with me saying Calgary regresses, it's just I see (and I fully admit it's debateable but) Giordano > Hamilton (but it's close, Hamilton isn't quite there yet and will need time to adjust to Calgary's players/system and if not for injury, Giordano would have walked away with the Norris Trophy last year) and Giordano isn't going to sign in Calgary now that Hamilton has 7x7.5mil when he was looking for 7x9mil

EDIT: And now I look like an idiot because I just realized he's signed until next season for 4.02 mil...

This is exactly what I mean. JB walks into a poopload of NTC's and you just dismiss the complications. You claim it was a full tear down last summer.... but how? Why are the Sedin's, Hamhuis, Higgins, and Burrows still here? Why did they wait a year to move Bieksa?

You say the Kesler Bieksa moves makes it obvious of the tear down? Kesler demanded a trade... he forced it. You just totally flipped that to support your tear down theory... and like I said... Bieksa was still here last year... so it was just Kesler moved from the old core who demanded out.

Semantics? Oh, ok. When your fingers are not in your ears you are altering what happened to oppose the Miller signing. I don't understand... for someone to go to these lengths, there must be an agenda. Why so early?

- boonerbuck

Agenda? Of course there is an agenda.

Someone has to oppose the Benning fanboys. I remember the fandom surrounding Gillis when he arrived. It made me

I'm skeptical of canuck management and that should be expected considering their track record. We have a rookie GM and a rookie Prez and a meddling owner. I’ll be critical until the canucks give me something not to be critical about.

I'm fine with people disagreeing with my assessment, I look at trends and chemistry. I'm sure you disagree with me saying Calgary regresses, it's just I see (and I fully admit it's debateable but) Giordano > Hamilton (but it's close, Hamilton isn't quite there yet and will need time to adjust to Calgary's players/system and if not for injury, Giordano would have walked away with the Norris Trophy last year) and Giordano isn't going to sign in Calgary now that Hamilton has 7x7.5mil when he was looking for 7x9mil

EDIT: And now I look like an idiot because I just realized he's signed until next season for 4.02 mil...
- DariusKnight

It could also become increased expectations make em crash n burn...... aptly named the flames then

I think you are over estimating how much the "other" teams have improved, and how much the Canucks will fall off this year. Even if you don't want to accept it, this team is still a competitive team that will challenge for the playoffs. Maybe LA will be better, but maybe Lucic will be a train wreck, or maybe they're just not a good enough regular season team to make the playoffs. Maybe San Jose will improve, but I have my doubts. Maybe Dallas will improve, they'll sure score a lot of goals, but they likely won't be able to keep them out of their own net. Arizona. Edmonton, you think they will improve by 30 or more points in one season? Calgary could be better, but they're playing with fire in their possession stats and could see that come back to bite them.

There are so many variables, but if you look at the standings over the past 10 years, the Canucks should be right there at playoff time. Can they win a round? Probably not.
- 1970vintage

You are probably right and that makes me even more angry. I want my team to suck. And I mean really, really suck. I want a top 3 to 5 pick. And I want it for the next three drafts. Not over the next ten drafts. I want to build my team on a solid foundation of youth, skill, and size. And I want the canucks to have the best possible chance to draft these types of players.

Because it's horsepoop.

With the current roster as it stands, where do you have the canucks finishing?

My point being there is no way in hell that our team's roster can compete in our conference. That's an undeniable fact. Rebuild is required and that's what JB is doing so I have no problem with that. It's just Miller seems to be a silly diversion from an otherwise good teardown.

Sure if you want to get your pom poms out and cheer on the fellas go right ahead. Stay positive and think to yourself "if they can just make the playoffs anything can happen!"

But I ain't buying the poop those marketing twats are selling.
- bloatedmosquito

That old saying of 'that's why they play the game' comes to mind.
Easy to say on paper one team improved and others regressed, but until the season is over, its not a fact. Things like injuries, coaching, cohesion and luck all play some significant role in determining outcomes in sports.

Agenda? Of course there is an agenda.

Someone has to oppose the Benning fanboys. I remember the fandom surrounding Gillis when he arrived. It made me

I'm skeptical of canuck management and that should be expected considering their track record. We have a rookie GM and a rookie Prez and a meddling owner. I’ll be critical until the canucks give me something not to be critical about.
- bloatedmosquito

I can understand that.

I remember you being one of the Gillis critics right out of the gate. I remember when Nonis was fired and you came after me immediately. First lines in your post was... "where's booner now? Are you happy? Now this team has no direction"(I thought about this yesterday in fact). Two years later we were in the final. Not bad for a directionless team.

There were only some people supporting Gillis. Nonis still had big support even at the end of the season demanding Gillis be fired for missing the playoffs because that was the only reason Nonis was gone they claimed(iirc, you were one of thenm). Thats the way I am. I'll give the new guy a chance because it takes more than a few months. It takes a couple of seasons to see where it's going. People who poop on brand new management right away and won't listen to any reason think it's their duty? Ok. I'm different. I have this horrible habit of reasoning.

I can understand that.

I remember you being one of the Gillis critics right out of the gate. I remember when Nonis was fired and you came after me immediately. First lines in your post was... "where's booner now? Are you happy? Now this team has no direction"(I thought about this yesterday in fact). Two years later we were in the final. Not bad for a directionless team.

There were only some people supporting Gillis. Nonis still had big support even at the end of the season demanding Gillis be fired for missing the playoffs because that was the only reason Nonis was gone they claimed(iirc, you were one of thenm). Thats the way I am. I'll give the new guy a chance because it takes more than a few months. It takes a couple of seasons to see where it's going. People who poop on brand new management right away and won't listen to any reason think it's their duty? Ok. I'm different. I have this horrible habit of reasoning.

- boonerbuck

Nothing you typed was accurate. And the last sentence is gold.

Good assessment but I disagree with some of it. Doesn't matter anyway as long as they don't finish 9th.

By the love of god do not finish 9th!
- bloatedmosquito

Disagree

This is exactly what I mean. JB walks into a poopload of NTC's and you just dismiss the complications. You claim it was a full tear down last summer.... but how? Why are the Sedin's, Hamhuis, Higgins, and Burrows still here? Why did they wait a year to move Bieksa?

You say the Kesler Bieksa moves makes it obvious of the tear down? Kesler demanded a trade... he forced it. You just totally flipped that to support your tear down theory... and like I said... Bieksa was still here last year... so it was just Kesler moved from the old core who demanded out.

Semantics? Oh, ok. When your fingers are not in your ears you are altering what happened to oppose the Miller signing. I don't understand... for someone to go to these lengths, there must be an agenda. Why so early?

- boonerbuck

Disagree

Thats what ive said too. Sven is locked JV makes team and they may keep grenier as a 13.
- SMBDragon

Disagree

I'm fine with people disagreeing with my assessment, I look at trends and chemistry. I'm sure you disagree with me saying Calgary regresses, it's just I see (and I fully admit it's debateable but) Giordano > Hamilton (but it's close, Hamilton isn't quite there yet and will need time to adjust to Calgary's players/system and if not for injury, Giordano would have walked away with the Norris Trophy last year) and Giordano isn't going to sign in Calgary now that Hamilton has 7x7.5mil when he was looking for 7x9mil

EDIT: And now I look like an idiot because I just realized he's signed until next season for 4.02 mil...
- DariusKnight

Disagree

Agenda? Of course there is an agenda.

Someone has to oppose the Benning fanboys. I remember the fandom surrounding Gillis when he arrived. It made me

I'm skeptical of canuck management and that should be expected considering their track record. We have a rookie GM and a rookie Prez and a meddling owner. I’ll be critical until the canucks give me something not to be critical about.
- bloatedmosquito

Disagree

It could also become increased expectations make em crash n burn...... aptly named the flames then
- SMBDragon

Disagree

You are probably right and that makes me even more angry. I want my team to suck. And I mean really, really suck. I want a top 3 to 5 pick. And I want it for the next three drafts. Not over the next ten drafts. I want to build my team on a solid foundation of youth, skill, and size. And I want the canucks to have the best possible chance to draft these types of players.
- bloatedmosquito

Disagree

That old saying of 'that's why they play the game' comes to mind.
Easy to say on paper one team improved and others regressed, but until the season is over, its not a fact. Things like injuries, coaching, cohesion and luck all play some significant role in determining outcomes in sports.
- dbot

Disagree

I can understand that.

I remember you being one of the Gillis critics right out of the gate. I remember when Nonis was fired and you came after me immediately. First lines in your post was... "where's booner now? Are you happy? Now this team has no direction"(I thought about this yesterday in fact). Two years later we were in the final. Not bad for a directionless team.

There were only some people supporting Gillis. Nonis still had big support even at the end of the season demanding Gillis be fired for missing the playoffs because that was the only reason Nonis was gone they claimed(iirc, you were one of thenm). Thats the way I am. I'll give the new guy a chance because it takes more than a few months. It takes a couple of seasons to see where it's going. People who poop on brand new management right away and won't listen to any reason think it's their duty? Ok. I'm different. I have this horrible habit of reasoning.

- boonerbuck

Disagree

Nothing you typed was accurate. And the last sentence is gold.
- bloatedmosquito

Disagree

Disagree
- A_SteamingLombardi

I'll be your huckleburry

Agenda? Of course there is an agenda.

Someone has to oppose the Benning fanboys. I remember the fandom surrounding Gillis when he arrived. It made me

I'm skeptical of canuck management and that should be expected considering their track record. We have a rookie GM and a rookie Prez and a meddling owner. I’ll be critical until the canucks give me something not to be critical about.
- bloatedmosquito

A huge bounce back 101 point season and two solid drafts in a row....what exactly do they need to do to earn your respect? A cup or bust? Or is it Austin Matthews that you require?

A huge bounce back 101 point season and two solid drafts in a row....what exactly do they need to do to earn your respect? A cup or bust? Or is it Austin Matthews that you require?
- CanuckDon

3 drafts in a row

3 drafts in a row
- A_SteamingLombardi

Disagree

Disagree
- CanuckDon

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