What do I take for that? Is mushrooms enough, or do I need something stronger?
- 1970vintage

Acid in the kool aid

What do I take for that? Is mushrooms enough, or do I need something stronger?
- 1970vintage

Should I flag him or do you want the honour?

GO OILERS GO, you Canuck fans are a bunch of tools. Sven Bärtschi the savior LMAO. See you in the rear view next year
- Leichs

Make sure that you put in in drive this time.

For sure. He made mistakes, obviously. He was too committed to rolling four lines when the Sedins and Horvat were the only things going. He let Hartley draw them into the after the whistle BS. And so on. Hopefully he'll be a better coach for it.

Can't argue with the job he did during the regular season though.
- CubanBuffet

Naw, the coach has nothing to do with getting drawn into after the whistle stuff. Other than D. Sedin taking a series of lefts from Marchand, they were just as involved even though their coach told them not to be. It's hockey players and emotions. Even in non contact men's beer league stuff gets heated, every game!

So let me get this right, after 40 years you are prepared to wait?
- A_SteamingLombardi

I've been waiting 40 years, what another 10?

Plus, I'm old enough to remember how bad it was, and this is nothing like that, so...

Should I flag him or do you want the honour?
- Marwood

You go ahead, I'm flagged out

I've been waiting 40 years, what another 10?

Plus, I'm old enough to remember how bad it was, and this is nothing like that, so...
- 1970vintage

Yes, I remember how bad it got in the mid to late 80's and mid/late 90's before it slowly began to get better.

Do you have any specific reasons why you feel this way? I saw a us Get beaten by a younger, faster and more physical team. I don't feel like he was outcoached. I was impressed the Canucks won two games. They are old, slow and soft
- CanuckDon

Sorry, I accidentally flagged this post, meant to quote it


My specific example is that WD continually sent Bieksa out there against any Flame. He should of only put Bieksa out when there were no flames on the ice. Thankfully that isn't a problem anymore.

I've been waiting 40 years, what another 10?

Plus, I'm old enough to remember how bad it was, and this is nothing like that, so...
- 1970vintage

Do we have any other choice?

Yes, I remember how bad it got in the mid to late 80's and mid/late 90's before it slowly began to get better.
- DariusKnight

I know there are those around here who can't stand the T word, but the M word is worse for me. But you know, sometimes it just takes a colossal mother(frank)er like Mess or Torts to sway the tide and finally realize you need to start over, which is where we're at now, and it was only one year of agonizing pain.

Do we have any other choice?
- A_SteamingLombardi

We could get lucky and win the lottery next year. Even better, we could trade someone like Vrbata or Hamhuis for a second first round pick, that team could miss the playoffs, and we could win the first and second overall selections...

Naw, the coach has nothing to do with getting drawn into after the whistle stuff. Other than D. Sedin taking a series of lefts from Marchand, they were just as involved even though their coach told them not to be. It's hockey players and emotions. Even in non contact men's beer league stuff gets heated, every game!
- 1970vintage

It's not the physical stuff after the whistles that bothers me, I was actually happy to see the Canucks show a little more backbone in that department last season. It's the constant beaking after whistles and female doging to the refs. It either throws them off their game or a sign that they are already off their game. The coach should be able to limit that.

Should I flag him or do you want the honour?
- Marwood

We could get lucky and win the lottery next year. Even better, we could trade someone like Vrbata or Hamhuis for a second first round pick, that team could miss the playoffs, and we could win the first and second overall selections...
- 1970vintage

Still no guarantee of a cup.

It's not the physical stuff after the whistles that bothers me, I was actually happy to see the Canucks show a little more backbone in that department last season. It's the constant beaking after whistles and female doging to the refs. It either throws them off their game or a sign that they are already off their game. The coach should be able to limit that.
- CubanBuffet

Meh, its a no win. If they skate away then everyone calls them pussies, and the other team just takes it up a notch and gets away with it. I would rather see Burrows go berserk (and break a rib) then skate away.

Still no guarantee of a cup.
- A_SteamingLombardi

There are never any guarantees. You asked if there as another way, which I interpreted as a "faster" way. Perhaps you refer to the imminent attack of your Rebel fleet? Yes, I assure you, we are quite safe from your friends here. Everything that has transpired has done so, according to my design. Your friends, out there on the sanctuary moon, are walking into a trap, as is your Rebel fleet. It was I who allowed the Alliance to know the location of the shield generator. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of my best troops awaits them. Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive.

There are never any guarantees. You asked if there as another way, which I interpreted as a "faster" way. Perhaps you refer to the imminent attack of your Rebel fleet? Yes, I assure you, we are quite safe from your friends here. Everything that has transpired has done so, according to my design. Your friends, out there on the sanctuary moon, are walking into a trap, as is your Rebel fleet. It was I who allowed the Alliance to know the location of the shield generator. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of my best troops awaits them. Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive.
- 1970vintage

I find your lack of faith... disturbing...

I find your lack of faith... disturbing...
- DariusKnight

Your overconfidence is your weakness.


*that's to pretty much every Oilers fan, everywhere*

Sorry, I accidentally flagged this post, meant to quote it


My specific example is that WD continually sent Bieksa out there against any Flame. He should of only put Bieksa out when there were no flames on the ice. Thankfully that isn't a problem anymore.
- 1970vintage

Here's something I gave a little speculation to. JB took that irresistible temptation every coach seems to have with playing Bieksa like a top D man... away from him.

JB said immediately after trading Bieksa that they would shop for a Dman who can transition the puck so we play less in our own end... You mean Bieksa wasnt any of that?


So, I think JB is the kind of GM who will try and not let a coach do that to himself.

I mean, I was laughing so hard when Torts was going on how all world Bieksa was... his "gun slinger".. calm cool... ya, plays the game like there's no puck on the ice... kieth Richards with a smoke hanging out of his mouth.... every hear Kieth live back in the day... may as well of unplugged his guitar when he wasnt looking.... kinda like what JB just did to WD.

Do you have any specific reasons why you feel this way? I saw a us Get beaten by a younger, faster and more physical team. I don't feel like he was outcoached. I was impressed the Canucks won two games. They are old, slow and soft
- CanuckDon

Its more than that. It was strategy and ability to see and change tactics. WD didn't have the tools to do it. Do you really think its all the pkayers? Coaches are supposed to make to make changes to the game as it progesses, usually period by period but in playoffs it also dissecting a game and changing the strategy going into next. Playoffs is all about the coaches......a chess match. Surentheres individual player efforts etc and some guys are great but overall its coaching staff tweaking games.

Think about it thats why teams who probably have no business beingnin finals get there.....the coach has excellent strategies and is a tactician. John cooper comes to mind from thisnyears final as an example of that type of coach.....sutter as well. Babcock. Laviolette.

Wd didn't have the tools and hartley beat him convincingly. What he did was capitalize on our defensive tendencies and the team always dumping it down the side boards. Watch the canucks, defense always throws it around the boards, its so predictable. Flames sent a guy in front and behind the defender and came out with the puck every time. Puck left the zone immediately while keeping us hemmed in ours. Hartley exploited every weakness. THAT right there is good coaching.

Of course nothing gotnadjusted till we were down 3-1.....sure we won that game but it was too late. Id finally like to see a playoff coach on this team.

There are never any guarantees. You asked if there as another way, which I interpreted as a "faster" way. Perhaps you refer to the imminent attack of your Rebel fleet? Yes, I assure you, we are quite safe from your friends here. Everything that has transpired has done so, according to my design. Your friends, out there on the sanctuary moon, are walking into a trap, as is your Rebel fleet. It was I who allowed the Alliance to know the location of the shield generator. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of my best troops awaits them. Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive.
- 1970vintage

IT'S A TRAP!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I accidentally flagged this post, meant to quote it


My specific example is that WD continually sent Bieksa out there against any Flame. He should of only put Bieksa out when there were no flames on the ice. Thankfully that isn't a problem anymore.
- 1970vintage

I've been flagged a lot today 😰

Here's something I gave a little speculation to. JB took that irresistible temptation every coach seems to have with playing Bieksa like a top D man... away from him.

JB said immediately after trading Bieksa that they would shop for a Dman who can transition the puck so we play less in our own end... You mean Bieksa wasnt any of that?


So, I think JB is the kind of GM who will try and not let a coach do that to himself.

I mean, I was laughing so hard when Torts was going on how all world Bieksa was... his "gun slinger".. calm cool... ya, plays the game like there's no puck on the ice... kieth Richards with a smoke hanging out of his mouth.... every hear Kieth live back in the day... may as well of unplugged his guitar when he wasnt looking.... kinda like what JB just did to WD.
- boonerbuck

Is it mean to pick on KB? I guess it wasn't completely his fault, he was out there with Sbisa quite a bit. Now we just have to get JB to admit he made a mistake and trade the Sbister for a 7th round pick.

20 year NHL coach vrs a 0 year NHL coach. Concerning? If you hire a rookie coach, obviously you are not concerned about it. Are you still a believer that they should have hired a coach for a big play off push???? If not, nothing to be concerned about... thats like saying Toewes outplaying Virtanen in his rookie season would be concerning.

It's funny how concerned people were with hiring the coach who had no experience and he comes out of the season with 101 points and home ice advantage. It was fresh seeing our coach rolling 4 lines the way he did. In the future, this will play a big part in our youth developing at a healthy rate.
- boonerbuck

John cooper went to the finals with no nhl experience. He already knew how to adjust the game.
Lots of coaches came along without nhl experience and made big noise. And wd has whatb30 years experience a s a coach? Didnt look that way to me

It's not the physical stuff after the whistles that bothers me, I was actually happy to see the Canucks show a little more backbone in that department last season. It's the constant beaking after whistles and female doging to the refs. It either throws them off their game or a sign that they are already off their game. The coach should be able to limit that.
- CubanBuffet

New group of kids with a different attitude. Once they mature, I doubt we'll see it like were have been used to.

Guys like Burrows were not drafted so when you sign them as free agents, you really dont know too much. You didnt scout them.. No interviews... Sedins are are what they are. There are a lot of whiny superstars historically. Kesler and Luongo are gone thankfully. There's a chunk of it right there...

Horvat is not like that. He's captain material too. Hope he becomes what the kids want to model themselves after. In fact, I heard a couple of interviews from our prospects already looking up to him they were saying. It's happening... the transition. It's just so subtle right now. Brisbois sounds like he'll be a rock of an attitude. Cassels as well. None of these guys come across as hair pulling cry babies.