You forgot hodgson

Ya quinn was decent. Grabbed pavel bure in like what 5th rd.
He did pick nedved who was a good player but he wanted jagr or primeau but scouts convinced him on nedved. Drafted linden too. Nedved became assetts thatbtook us to SC final in 94. He lately brought us naslund.

Burke did draft sedins so we have him to thank for that. Nonis drafted schneider who now is horvat. So theres lots of guys to thanks for current team.

But there were busts too
- SMBDragon

That was a bit of a lucky gamble. You might recall that it was thought Bure would not be available to come to North America. I can't recall the details (perhaps someone can enlighten us) but the league felt certain Bure was not eligible. Canucks, however, decided to take a chance and were fortunate that ultimately things panned out (wasn't there an enquiry into the whole situation?). A decent gamble given it was the 5th round, though

Sorry guys I went MIA w a gf yesterday
here's the link you asked for for super cheap tickets to rush on Friday night
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- SMBDragon

Thanks for the link, Dragon - looks like some excellent deals available! (have you used this site for hockey as well? I sometimes use Stub Hub and Ticketleader which also have some decent deals, but it's always nice to have further options.

That was a bit of a lucky gamble. You might recall that it was thought Bure would not be available to come to North America. I can't recall the details (perhaps someone can enlighten us) but the league felt certain Bure was not eligible. Canucks, however, decided to take a chance and were fortunate that ultimately things panned out (wasn't there an enquiry into the whole situation?). A decent gamble given it was the 5th round, though
- Zogg

I think he was not supposed to be eligible for another year because he had only played in 5 games, then someone in the canucks org was able to come up with "proof" that he had played in the full 11 which made him eligible.

There have been many claims made that the Canucks were able to stuff the ballet box but none of it has ever been proven.

Bure was a highly regarded player internationally and I do find it hard to believe that the rest of the entire league were unaware of the additional 6 games Bure had played for CSKA.......but then again it was the 80's and it was in Russia so who knows.

Likely not.

Just had a buddy take me to the Journey concert last sat. he never got any discount, $125 or something for the floor, 9 rows back.


But it does look like a helluva deal.

Wouldn't mind taking my son, not sure though.
- hillbillydeluxe

Im going with my son. Should be fun. Ive seen rush 5x.....amazing show. Best special effects of any band. Cmon at that price you cant not go

That was a bit of a lucky gamble. You might recall that it was thought Bure would not be available to come to North America. I can't recall the details (perhaps someone can enlighten us) but the league felt certain Bure was not eligible. Canucks, however, decided to take a chance and were fortunate that ultimately things panned out (wasn't there an enquiry into the whole situation?). A decent gamble given it was the 5th round, though
- Zogg

At the podium there was debate that he wasnt available so they took a recess and canucks showed paperwork that pavel hadnt been counted as playing in so e other games which then made him available. Quinn knew ahead. Interestingly and smartly they waited till 5th instead of wasting an early pick when they knew he wouldnt otherwise be picked.

I think he was not supposed to be eligible for another year because he had only played in 5 games, then someone in the canucks org was able to come up with "proof" that he had played in the full 11 which made him eligible.

There have been many claims made that the Canucks were able to stuff the ballet box but none of it has ever been proven.

Bure was a highly regarded player internationally and I do find it hard to believe that the rest of the entire league were unaware of the additional 6 games Bure had played for CSKA.......but then again it was the 80's and it was in Russia so who knows.
- belcherbd

Thanks for the info Talk about a home run for the Canucks. It is strange, though, that no one else in the league was aware of the additional 6 games. I mean, here we have a generational talent and no one was even willing to take a gamble on him? (even if he ultimately wasn't eligible the reward was certainly worth any risk, especially given he was taken in the 5th round!). I guess that was pre-internet days, where the dissemination of information was nowhere near the same extent as today's availability. What a coup for the Canucks

Ya honestly as fans we will probably never know the truth on kesler. He was rumored to be an ahole and we know that he was always trying to get into players gfs pants too......schneiders we know for sure.
Not the kinda guy you want around. And rumor atbthe time was the leadership on the team stripped him of the A. So that says alot. Next he wants out.
- SMBDragon

Actually this is fact.

Thanks for the info Talk about a home run for the Canucks. It is strange, though, that no one else in the league was aware of the additional 6 games. I mean, here we have a generational talent and no one was even willing to take a gamble on him? (even if he ultimately wasn't eligible the reward was certainly worth any risk, especially given he was taken in the 5th round!). I guess that was pre-internet days, where the dissemination of information was nowhere near the same extent as today's availability. What a coup for the Canucks
- Zogg

I could be wrong but I think it went something along the lines of, you could select him in the first 3 rounds but if it was after those rounds he needed to of played 2 full seasons with a min of 11 games with CSKA.

I think the extra games that the Nucks found were apparently exhibition games with very unofficial rosters.

I know there was a number of teams, the Jets, Detroit and the Blues specifically who thought the nucks had padded his stats. I remember reading that one of them had actually asked the NHL about it prior and were told he was ineligible.

Im going with my son. Should be fun. Ive seen rush 5x.....amazing show. Best special effects of any band. Cmon at that price you cant not go
- SMBDragon

I was thinking that...

I could be wrong but I think it went something along the lines of, you could select him in the first 3 rounds but if it was after those rounds he needed to of played 2 full seasons with a min of 11 games with CSKA.

I think the extra games that the Nucks found were apparently exhibition games with very unofficial rosters.

I know there was a number of teams, the Jets, Detroit and the Blues specifically who thought the nucks had padded his stats. I remember reading that one of them had actually asked the NHL about it prior and were told he was ineligible.
- belcherbd

It was Mike Penny who we have to thank about that pick.

Penny has told the story several times but it really is a fascinating tale. As said earlier, you have to remember that this was pre-internet.

I could never do the story justice (have heard Penny tell it a couple times on Sports Talk - lol remember that?) But the story goes that Penny found out that Bure had played the requisite number of games to be eligible. The issue was that the "game sheets" had never been submitted.

So Penny went to Russia during Christmas time and went to the small organisation (or arena - I can't recall) and photocopied the game sheets.

At the draft, when the other teams flipped out and complained, the Canucks' pulled out the game sheets to prove his eligibility.

Like I said, I can't do justice to the story. If anyone is to thank for Bute, it is Mike Penny.

It was Mike Penny who we have to thank about that pick.

Penny has told the story several times but it really is a fascinating tale. As said earlier, you have to remember that this was pre-internet.

I could never do the story justice (have heard Penny tell it a couple times on Sports Talk - lol remember that?) But the story goes that Penny found out that Bure had played the requisite number of games to be eligible. The issue was that the "game sheets" had never been submitted.

So Penny went to Russia during Christmas time and went to the small organisation (or arena - I can't recall) and photocopied the game sheets.

At the draft, when the other teams flipped out and complained, the Canucks' pulled out the game sheets to prove his eligibility.

Like I said, I can't do justice to the story. If anyone is to thank for Bute, it is Mike Penny.
- RealityChecker

A fascinating chapter in Canucks hockey, indeed, and quite the compelling tale - it's still surprising that not one other organization was able to procure the same information as Penny did. I would imagine Penny had some great sources on the ground, who were able to point him in the right direction. If it's true that he went over there during Christmas and actually photocopied some scoresheets! it makes the story that much more intriguing. I think he must be one of - if not the- greatest 5th round picks in league history. It's these type of out-of-the-box thinking that can have an impact on the organization for many years. Just think if the Canucks hadn't taken that gamble. He was the cornerstone of the team for years and arguably one of the most exciting players in the league.

I'm sure everyone still remembers that epic 7 game series against Calgary, where Bure scored a highlight reel goal in overtime to send the Canucks on to what would be a Stanley Cup Final appearance. Bure was one of the few players that could get the crowd standing. The fact that he also had a mean streak made him that much more endearing to fans. Just an amazing player. It's too bad that his career was cut short by injury, as he was still fairly young and had at least a few more good years remaining, to put a further exclamation mark on what was already a brilliant career.

A fascinating chapter in Canucks hockey, indeed, and quite the compelling tale - it's still surprising that not one other organization was able to procure the same information as Penny did. I would imagine Penny had some great sources on the ground, who were able to point him in the right direction. If it's true that he went over there during Christmas and actually photocopied some scoresheets! it makes the story that much more intriguing. I think he must be one of - if not the- greatest 5th round picks in league history. It's these type of out-of-the-box thinking that can have an impact on the organization for many years. Just think if the Canucks hadn't taken that gamble. He was the cornerstone of the team for years and arguably one of the most exciting players in the league.

I'm sure everyone still remembers that epic 7 game series against Calgary, where Bure scored a highlight reel goal in overtime to send the Canucks on to what would be a Stanley Cup Final appearance. Bure was one of the few players that could get the crowd standing. The fact that he also had a mean streak made him that much more endearing to fans. Just an amazing player. It's too bad that his career was cut short by injury, as he was still fairly young and had at least a few more good years remaining, to put a further exclamation mark on what was already a brilliant career.
- Zogg

You are quite right that he had some great sources. I neglected to mention that his Russian or European contact informed him of the eligibility. To hear Penny recount it; it was cloak and dagger. In fact, if I remember correctly, Penny went during Christmas so as not to tip off other teams.

That story has to be a chapter in itself in the Canucks' history book.

Btw, Bure's mean streak was awesome! Just ask Shane Churla

You are quite right that he had some great sources. I neglected to mention that his Russian or European contact informed him of the eligibility. To hear Penny recount it; it was cloak and dagger. In fact, if I remember correctly, Penny went during Christmas so as not to tip off other teams.

That story has to be a chapter in itself in the Canucks' history book.

Btw, Bure's mean streak was awesome! Just ask Shane Churla

- RealityChecker

Yah, he had those 'Gordie Howe' elbows and certainly was never afraid to mix it up. Not to mention having Gino ride shotgun. He could pretty much create space by himself, though, which made him that much more dangerous.

Yah, he had those 'Gordie Howe' elbows and certainly was never afraid to mix it up. Not to mention having Gino ride shotgun. He could pretty much create space by himself, though, which made him that much more dangerous.
- Zogg

As much as I respect the Sedins and will defend them vigorously; had it been Pavel instead of Daniel, Marchand would still be in a coma.

As much as I respect the Sedins and will defend them vigorously; had it been Pavel instead of Daniel, Marchand would still be in a coma.

- RealityChecker

That was a beaut. Imagine how many games he'd be suspended for in today's NHL - you could even say, based on the slow motion video breakdown, that there was 'intent to injure'. It certainly sent a message to opposing players and the league in general. Don't f*ck with me or else

Bure and Forsberg were two greats who played with a mean streak and fought their own battles, which resulted in their having so much success. That's classic hard-nose hockey at its finest . Just a fun player to watch and a pure sniper in every sense of the word.

That was a beaut. Imagine how many games he'd be suspended for in today's NHL - you could even say, based on the slow motion video breakdown, that there was 'intent to injure'. It certainly sent a message to opposing players and the league in general. Don't f*ck with me or else

Bure and Forsberg were two greats who played with a mean streak and fought their own battles, which resulted in their having so much success. That's classic hard-nose hockey at its finest . Just a fun player to watch and a pure sniper in every sense of the word.
- Zogg

10 game minimum for sure. His playoffs would have been finished.

But different age and different game. With today's rules, Scott Stevens would have been an average dman.

10 game minimum for sure. His playoffs would have been finished.

But different age and different game. With today's rules, Scott Stevens would have been an average dman.
- RealityChecker

Not even, he was slow as molasses, if he couldn't lay an arm or shoulder or other part of his body into a jaw/nose/temple, he'd have been an AHL defender at best. Playing next to Scott Neidermeyer covered for a lot of his faults.

Not even, he was slow as molasses, if he couldn't lay an arm or shoulder or other part of his body into a jaw/nose/temple, he'd have been an AHL defender at best. Playing next to Scott Neidermeyer covered for a lot of his faults.
- DariusKnight

I was thinking the same but tempered that opinion b/c I didn't want a NJD fan to get all upset.

Didn't think I'd get called out the other way

I was thinking the same but tempered that opinion b/c I didn't want a NJD fan to get all upset.

Didn't think I'd get called out the other way
- RealityChecker

A lot of the better defenders is the 90's like Ulf Samuelsson, Derian Hatcher, Scott Stevens and others were good because they were able to lay on what we would consider headshots today and were covered by great D like Lidstrom, Neidemeyer, Bourque

A lot of the better defenders is the 90's like Ulf Samuelsson, Derian Hatcher, Scott Stevens and others were good because they were able to lay on what we would consider headshots today and were covered by great D like Lidstrom, Neidemeyer, Bourque
- DariusKnight

Some things change while some things remain constant. Skating is what really matters.

The 3 you list first were lumbering and plodding. They could be turned into turnstiles wide. The latter 3 could skate fluidly which made it seem like they were never out of place.

10 game minimum for sure. His playoffs would have been finished.

But different age and different game. With today's rules, Scott Stevens would have been an average dman.
- RealityChecker

Bure was magic. I remember listening to his first game on radio and trying to imagine what was going on with Jim Robson's excitement. Had to wait until later that night to see the highlights. Still makes me mad that he forced his way out of the organization.

Bure was magic. I remember listening to his first game on radio and trying to imagine what was going on with Jim Robson's excitement. Had to wait until later that night to see the highlights. Still makes me mad that he forced his way out of the organization.
- bazz

I remember the feeling that something special was going to happen every game.

Imagine what he would have done with 4 on 4 OT (let alone 3 on 3) or shootouts.

I remember the feeling that something special was going to happen every game.

Imagine what he would have done with 4 on 4 OT (let alone 3 on 3) or shootouts.
- RealityChecker

Great point about the 4x4 overtime play. I'm sure it would basically be a game of keep-away.

What's particularly impressive, is that Bure still managed to score in the dead puck era (he still had a 58 and 59 goal seasons in 2000 and 2001), and that speaks volumes as to just how fast and better he was than the rest of his peers.

Imagine what he could do now if he was in his prime. Scary.

As much as I respect the Sedins and will defend them vigorously; had it been Pavel instead of Daniel, Marchand would still be in a coma.

- RealityChecker

Outstanding. Man I wish someone on that 2011 team would have done that to Marchand...would have been fantastic.

Outstanding. Man I wish someone on that 2011 team would have done that to Marchand...would have been fantastic.
- LordHumungous

Someone did it to Horton and we saw how that all worked out. All that would have happened is another suspension and wouldn't have changed anything. Let's put 2011 to bed, there was no way we were going to win that series with the injuries we had and the abrupt change to the officiating.