I'm getting the 21 million. I want to play. I am a hockey player, not a press box concierge. I have millions in the bank and am owed millions more no matter what I do. I have only a few years left to be able to do what I love, I would rather be on the ice.
- MBFlyerfan

It's been my perception that professional athletes tend to have pride and an unbelievable competitive spirit.
- jak521

If that's the case, wouldn't he have opted for a buyout when he was confined to the press box for majority of the second half of last season? Why would this year change things so drastically? The only thing I can think of is more money.

If that's the case, wouldn't he have opted for a buyout when he was confined to the press box for majority of the second half of last season? Why would this year change things so drastically? The only thing I can think of is more money.
- jmatchett383

Did the Flyers offer a buyout? Do the Flyers even want to do a buyout? My guess from the Flyers standpoint is no.

Did the Flyers offer a buyout? Do the Flyers even want to do a buyout? My guess from the Flyers standpoint is no.
- MBFlyerfan

My mistake, I should have said termination. Buyout and termination are not the same. A buyout means that he gets 1/3 of his remaining salary. A termination ends the contract and has no payment. Still, why would he have not opted to terminate when he was sitting in the press box for the majority of the second half of last year, and then suddenly want to do that now?

I still wonder what Homer saw in VLC? Bryz? McD?

If that's the case, wouldn't he have opted for a buyout when he was confined to the press box for majority of the second half of last season? Why would this year change things so drastically? The only thing I can think of is more money.
- jmatchett383

I think the thing that drastically changed was the coach. He wasnt a Berube fan. So I think he gives it another shot with the Flyers under Hakstol... I think he likes the group of players, he is settled in the area, and rather than packing his bags for whoever, he wants to try to stick here. If it doesnt work with Hakstol, I think he terminates.

I still wonder what Homer saw in VLC? Bryz? McD?
- vejim

He asked the coach and properly others

My mistake, I should have said termination. Buyout and termination are not the same. A buyout means that he gets 1/3 of his remaining salary. A termination ends the contract and has no payment. Still, why would he have not opted to terminate when he was sitting in the press box for the majority of the second half of last year, and then suddenly want to do that now?
- jmatchett383

Im not saying money is not a factor at all.. He had a $2 mill bonus coming his way if he waiting till 7/2/15. New coach, new start and a chance to prove he can still produce might be motivating him now.

I still wonder what Homer saw in VLC? Bryz? McD?
- vejim

Plenty of teams were interested in all those guys at the time, but the Bryz deal stands out as being particularly absurd. Nine years for a 31 year old goalie.

I still wonder what Homer saw in VLC? Bryz? McD?
- vejim

The downside of refusing to acknowledge analytics as a significant part of player evaluation

My mistake, I should have said termination. Buyout and termination are not the same. A buyout means that he gets 1/3 of his remaining salary. A termination ends the contract and has no payment. Still, why would he have not opted to terminate when he was sitting in the press box for the majority of the second half of last year, and then suddenly want to do that now?
- jmatchett383

As I said in the previous post, there is a new coach and maybe he thinks he will get a chance.

He is a class guy and still believed he would play last season? Who knows. We all know he wasn't seeing eye to eye with Berube and said as much after the season.

The situation is clearly different now.


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Besides, why would he terminate in the middle of a season? Especially when most if not all teams are settled in to their rosters and if it was after the trade deadline he wouldn't have been eligible to play in the postseason.

why does anyone think he will terminate?
- vejim

I think he might consider termination after this season if he spends 60-70 games as a healthy scratch and his agent is telling him that the Flyers have offered him with 50% salary retention to every team in the league for "future considerations" and not a single team has any interest.

Until then, it probably won't happen.

My mistake, I should have said termination. Buyout and termination are not the same. A buyout means that he gets 1/3 of his remaining salary. A termination ends the contract and has no payment. Still, why would he have not opted to terminate when he was sitting in the press box for the majority of the second half of last year, and then suddenly want to do that now?
- jmatchett383

Because his window for lacing them up and hitting NHL ice is shrinking every day whereas he'll be getting paid from Tampa for years to come and will continue to be able to earn money through endorsements, books, broadcasting, etc. after retirement.

It all depends what is more valuable to him and whether or not he (and his agent) believe there is any team out there who might be interested in his services. If not, he has no reason to do anything but sit in the Flyers pressbox counting his money.

What does Vinny's buyout look like if done next year?

Watch, he'll be traded tomorrow for future considerations to OTT and we will all once again praise Hexy.

(frank)ing Beezer

I think he might consider termination after this season if he spends 60-70 games as a healthy scratch and his agent is telling him that the Flyers have offered him with 50% salary retention to every team in the league for "future considerations" and not a single team has any interest.

Until then, it probably won't happen.
- BiggE

The guy can't crack a lineup on a bottom dwelling team in the league. I don't know if he's still thinks it's 2002 but the flyers are bottom feeders with marginal nhl talent in the forward ranks. He's not going to get sent to Florida, Edmonton. These teams don't want him because he is no better than what they have

He knows all this. This is purely a money grab and a staredown with Hexy. He's willing to do the time in the press box.

While Lecavalier can terminate at any time, he's not going to do so just to be free of the Flyers. The goal for him is to play hockey, not to walk away from the Flyers.

I'm sure that termination was discussed and the Flyers gave their blessing to him to find a new contract elsewhere. He probably found nobody willing to offer a guarantee, at best he probably got a couple of PTO offers.

It's one thing to walk away from millions of dollars to go elsewhere and get a one or two year deal for slightly less. It's a completely different thing to walk out with no guarantees of a future playing & getting paid to play

What does Vinny's buyout look like if done next year?

Watch, he'll be traded tomorrow for future considerations to OTT and we will all once again praise Hexy.
- coffee junkie

Cap hits:
2,916,666
2,416,666
2 years of $916,666

What does Vinny's buyout look like if done next year?

Watch, he'll be traded tomorrow for future considerations to OTT and we will all once again praise Hexy.
- coffee junkie

http://www.generalfanager...uts/1528?day=15&year=2016

http://www.generalfanager.com/buyouts/1528?day=15&year=2016
- Feanor

Wow, worse then I thought, what a nightmare. If we trade him with 50% retained and he retires in 2016-2017 are there cap recapture fees? If not, it would be much better to trade him at 50% for nothing.

The only thing that makes me feel better is seeing the contract handed to Kessler yesterday...I guess misery loves company.

While Lecavalier can terminate at any time, he's not going to do so just to be free of the Flyers. The goal for him is to play hockey, not to walk away from the Flyers.

I'm sure that termination was discussed and the Flyers gave their blessing to him to find a new contract elsewhere. He probably found nobody willing to offer a guarantee, at best he probably got a couple of PTO offers.

It's one thing to walk away from millions of dollars to go elsewhere and get a one or two year deal for slightly less. It's a completely different thing to walk out with no guarantees of a future playing & getting paid to play
- Jsaquella

Hypothetically speaking, if the Flyers were to play hardball and say to VL here's the deal Vinny. You aren't going to play here, you will sit in a suite for the remainder of your contract. Do you think Lecavalier would want to end his career not playing another game so he can just collect a paycheck?

Cap hits:
2,916,666
2,416,666
2 years of $916,666
- Jsaquella

As bad as it looks, if you are filling his roster spot with a journeyman 13th forward or a kid on an ELC, you are still saving money.

Hypothetically speaking, if the Flyers were to play hardball and say to VL here's the deal Vinny. You aren't going to play here, you will sit in a suite for the remainder of your contract. Do you think Lecavalier would want to end his career not playing another game so he can just collect a paycheck?
- PLindbergh31

Who knows, he might out of spite. Unless someone hear is a close friend of his, we just don't know.

Hypothetically speaking, if the Flyers were to play hardball and say to VL here's the deal Vinny. You aren't going to play here, you will sit in a suite for the remainder of your contract. Do you think Lecavalier would want to end his career not playing another game so he can just collect a paycheck?
- PLindbergh31

If he and/or his agent have contacted another team who have basically guaranteed that they'd give him playing time, he might. But I don't see any GM being able to promise him that.

As bad as it looks, if you are filling his roster spot with a journeyman 13th forward or a kid on an ELC, you are still saving money.
- BiggE

That's true. I'd rather sit his ass in the press box this year and play any of Cousins/Leier/etc.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Lecavalier, Huffman's Lesson, Alumni and More
- bmeltzer

I'm not gonna debate that Vincent Lecavalier is the same effective player he was in the 2000's but playing a fourth line role with limited players, while being scratched for long stretches of games wasn't gonna get him into a routine or groove.

I feel Peter Laviolette was handed very poorly. The guy doesn't make the playoffs once during a half season and a mediocre roster and he's fired three games into a season because of a slow start, in favour of a meatheaded rookie Coach?

I thought Vinny had a strong start to the season, I think he got hurt, I think when he returned his play slowed down and then I think he never saw the light of a top 9 role the rest of the way. There was a small week and a half stretch where Lecavalier looked good on the 4th line when he began to collect consecutive points. That's not easy to do in a limited role, playing with limited players.

I actually believe RJ Umbeger was much worse than Vinny last season. Umberger is a "two way player" with "speed" who lacked at even strength and couldn't find a role on one of the worse PK's in the entire league. Giving Umberger slack because you traded for him the offseason prior or believe he is still a good two way guy is unacceptable to me because he wasn't a very good within his role either.

These are just my thoughts. I'm not defending Vinny, I just don't believe him to be this team's number one problem.