Vinny better drop 10-15lbs before October, or he has basically no shot at consistent playing time.
- mochoson

Even if he does he may not be able to get consistent playing time

Konecny signs ELC

Leight?

If he and/or his agent have contacted another team who have basically guaranteed that they'd give him playing time, he might. But I don't see any GM being able to promise him that.
- jmatchett383

I think the Flyers are playing hardball now. They don't want the dead cap with a buyout. They'll try to trade him but if there are no offers I think they'll just let him sit in the pressbox.

Yes I understand the walking away from millions thing. But there is something to be said for a proud player to just be a healthy scratch for 70 games. He has an ego too and I assume he still thinks he can play. Ultimately it will come down to whats more important to Vinny.

Terminate and Playing the last years out somewhere else or collecting checks in the pressbox.

Wow, worse then I thought, what a nightmare. If we trade him with 50% retained and he retires in 2016-2017 are there cap recapture fees? If not, it would be much better to trade him at 50% for nothing.
- coffee junkie

No cap recapture on any contract signed after the lockout.

Even if he does he may not be able to get consistent playing time
- ob18

I never wish injury but my hope is maybe a team like AZ or someone lose a veteran player for a good stretch and could use Vinny as a leader type for a young team.

I think the Flyers are playing hardball now. They don't want the dead cap with a buyout. They'll try to trade him but if there are no offers I think they'll just let him sit in the pressbox.

Yes I understand the walking away from millions thing. But there is something to be said for a proud player to just be a healthy scratch for 70 games. He has an ego too and I assume he still thinks he can play. Ultimately it will come down to whats more important to Vinny.

Terminate and Playing the last years out somewhere else or collecting checks in the pressbox.
- J35Bacher

I can't speak for him but as for myself, unless I knew another team was going to give me good playing time and pay me somewhat well ($1.5M for 2 years), I wouldn't terminate even with the TB money.

Vinny better drop 10-15lbs before October, or he has basically no shot at consistent playing time.
- mochoson

Exactly, Vinny was at his best when he was playing at 205 lbs....not 230 lbs. He needs to get quicker.

I never wish injury but my hope is maybe a team like AZ or someone give VLC a non-life altering yet career ending injury where he either retires or goes on LTIR a la Pronger.
- J35Bacher

ftfy

Hypothetically speaking, if the Flyers were to play hardball and say to VL here's the deal Vinny. You aren't going to play here, you will sit in a suite for the remainder of your contract. Do you think Lecavalier would want to end his career not playing another game so he can just collect a paycheck?
- PLindbergh31

If I was him, I would. (frank) it, if there's no interest and the Flyers want to be jerks, why not sit there and (frank) up their cap?

As bad as it looks, if you are filling his roster spot with a journeyman 13th forward or a kid on an ELC, you are still saving money.
- BiggE

Yep. If he's still on the books after this season, I'd buy him out in a heartbeat.

If I was him, I would. (frank) it, if there's no interest and the Flyers want to be jerks, why not sit there and (frank) up their cap?
- Jsaquella

They are already accounting for his cap so it's not really (frank)ing them up. They've planned for it.

The Flyers can basically say " (frank) the legend of Vinny, he's going out like this. A 70 game scratch."

Look at the legacy of Utley. These past two seasons have hurts his legacy from city icon to a guy that hung on to long.

I'm not gonna debate that Vincent Lecavalier is the same effective player he was in the 2000's but playing a fourth line role with limited players, while being scratched for long stretches of games wasn't gonna get him into a routine or groove.

I feel Peter Laviolette was handed very poorly. The guy doesn't make the playoffs once during a half season and a mediocre roster and he's fired three games into a season because of a slow start, in favour of a meatheaded rookie Coach?

I thought Vinny had a strong start to the season, I think he got hurt, I think when he returned his play slowed down and then I think he never saw the light of a top 9 role the rest of the way. There was a small week and a half stretch where Lecavalier looked good on the 4th line when he began to collect consecutive points. That's not easy to do in a limited role, playing with limited players.

I actually believe RJ Umbeger was much worse than Vinny last season. Umberger is a "two way player" with "speed" who lacked at even strength and couldn't find a role on one of the worse PK's in the entire league. Giving Umberger slack because you traded for him the offseason prior or believe he is still a good two way guy is unacceptable to me because he wasn't a very good within his role either.

These are just my thoughts. I'm not defending Vinny, I just don't believe him to be this team's number one problem.
- SuperSchennBros

The biggest problem is that the Flyers lack a legitimate number one, or even legit top pair defenseman.

The issue with Lecavalier is he doesn't fit-even remotely-into the style of play both the GM and new coach want to play. His contract is an albatross, and he's never come close to being worth it as a member of the Flyers.

He'll likely be bought out or traded in a salary retained move before next year's draft. As far as what role he'll play? Probably very similar to last season's role, because he doesn't fit what the team's stated objective is.

They are already accounting for his cap so it's not really (frank)ing them up. They've planned for it.

The Flyers can basically say " (frank) the legend of Vinny, he's going out like this. A 70 game scratch."

Look at the legacy of Utley. These past two seasons have hurts his legacy from city icon to a guy that hung on to long.
- J35Bacher

Sure they've planned for it, but basically having $4.5mm of dead cap space is hardly the optimal situation the team could have.

I dont give a single (frank) about Vinny's legacy.

Sure they've planned for it, but basically having $4.5mm of dead cap space is hardly the optimal situation the team could have.

I dont give a single (frank) about Vinny's legacy.
- Jsaquella

You don't.

But I am sure he does. Every player wants to go out on his own terms. Just like Kimmo wanted one last ditch effort.

I've often wondered if we should do a trade for lupus for vinnie. Both have issues and are shells of their former selves. But they both have the same length contracts and if Toronto holds enough money, even deals. But we'd get a winger and they would get a center.

If you had the option of sitting around and collecting millions of dollars or taking a drastic pay cut to MAYBE make far fewer dollars, knowing that it's the last time in your life where you have the opportunity, which option would you take?
- jmatchett383

Oh, and you could take that huge pay cut and maybe end up sitting around anyway.

I think the Flyers are playing hardball now. They don't want the dead cap with a buyout. They'll try to trade him but if there are no offers I think they'll just let him sit in the pressbox.

Yes I understand the walking away from millions thing. But there is something to be said for a proud player to just be a healthy scratch for 70 games. He has an ego too and I assume he still thinks he can play. Ultimately it will come down to whats more important to Vinny.

Terminate and Playing the last years out somewhere else or collecting checks in the pressbox.
- J35Bacher

It's probably not even a matter of pride. There's a real possibility that nobody is willing to give him a contract. If the best he can get is a try out, what purpose does it serve to terminate?

Sure, if there's a deal on the table, and he really wants to play, he'd probably terminate. But if there's no offer, he's not going to play anyhow, so why not continue to get well paid for it?

I think if he got any offers for a contract, he would have agreed to terminate. I suspect nobody wanted him, so he decided to stay and get paid.

I'm getting the 21 million. I want to play. I am a hockey player, not a press box concierge. I have millions in the bank and am owed millions more no matter what I do. I have only a few years left to be able to do what I love, I would rather be on the ice.
- MBFlyerfan

That which confines him to the press box in Philly confines him elsewhere, too. It's not like the reason he can't crack the lineup is because Philly has a tremendous pile of talent in front of him.

vinny is cooked, of they can't move him then just deal with paying him to sit in the press box until either enough injuries pile up or the buyout is palatable.

You don't.

But I am sure he does. Every player wants to go out on his own terms. Just like Kimmo wanted one last ditch effort.
- J35Bacher

I get that, but what if nobody is willing to offer him a contract? I doubt his agent didn't get permission to discuss that when he was given permission to try to work out a trade last summer.

So the choice for Vinny may well be to stay with the Flyers and hope that Hakstol finds a spot for him or walk away from nearly $10mm in cash without a firm deal from another team.

Konecny signs ELC

Leight?
- aightwebang17

Moses parted the Red Sea

If I was him, I would. (frank) it, if there's no interest and the Flyers want to be jerks, why not sit there and (frank) up their cap?
- Jsaquella

Actually, they franked up their own cap and are having a really hard time cleaning up their mess.

I get that, but what if nobody is willing to offer him a contract? I doubt his agent didn't get permission to discuss that when he was given permission to try to work out a trade last summer.

So the choice for Vinny may well be to stay with the Flyers and hope that Hakstol finds a spot for him or walk away from nearly $10mm in cash without a firm deal from another team.
- Jsaquella

I know.

None of the scenarios are great.

Anther idea would be to attach him to a player like Simmonds or Read.

so it seemed for a while that homer's crown jewel of screw ups was bryzgalov, but he got a pass for that and still signed vinny.

Actually, they franked up their own cap and are having a really hard time cleaning up their mess.
- Scoob

Yes, they did make their own mess, and Vinny could accomodate them and help them clean it up, but if they're going to play hardball with him, what reason does he have to help them clean the mess up?