Come on, man -- they didn't benefit from not having him the decade-plus where they missed the playoffs 10 times, either

It's fine to argue/disagree, but let's at least try to make the disagreements one where we are talking about the same things
- AllInForFlyers

How are we not talking about the same thing. A full season is enough time to see some kind of effect. Nobody's saying they should've made a complete turnaround in one season based on an increase in the use of analytics, but there should be some progress.

Adequate sample size usage there.

Jake Voracek once played a game without scoring a goal. Therefore, Jake Voracek has never scored a goal.
- jmatchett383

Should've let you handle that one, saved myself some words

Well, actually, we do not know what he sees or does not see.
- Scoob

True enough -- I acknowledge the point

Poor analogy. A full season is plenty to see if it's having an effect or not. We know that Voracek has scored goals in games previous to the game he once played without scoring a goal.
- MJL

Edit: (frank) it, not worth it.

Edit: (frank) it, not worth it.
- jmatchett383

Right behind you on that

Right behind you on that
- AllInForFlyers

I like buffalo wings. How about you?

I like buffalo wings. How about you?
- jmatchett383

Ha! Absolutely! The hotter the better

Adequate sample size usage there.

Jake Voracek once played a game without scoring a goal. Therefore, Jake Voracek has never scored a goal.
- jmatchett383

The Leafs had 1 playoff year in 7 under Burke & Nonis, but Kyle Dubas & analytics ruined them.

The Leafs had 1 playoff year in 7 under Burke & Nonis, but Kyle Dubas & analytics ruined them.
- Jsaquella

Flyers go from playoffs to 7th worst team in hockey.

Time to fire Hexy. Has this team going right in the poopter

The Leafs had 1 playoff year in 7 under Burke & Nonis, but Kyle Dubas & analytics ruined them.
- Jsaquella

lol

The Leafs had 1 playoff year in 7 under Burke & Nonis, but Kyle Dubas & analytics ruined them.
- Jsaquella

It didn't work one time for one bad team. It's all smoke and mirrors.

Where was it stated that Dubas ruined the Maple Leafs? LOL What was asked is what progress has been made in a season, based on more of a focus on using analytics? Nobody is looking for a complete turnaround, but just some progress made based on more of a focus on using analytics? It's a reasonable question.

...but there should be some progress.
- MJL

Not making any stupid signings on July 1 and not drafting a Tyler Biggs in the 1st round is considered progress for them.



(ironically, the 1st part also pertains to the Flyers)

Not making any stupid signings on July 1 and not drafting a Tyler Biggs in the 1st round is considered progress for them.



(ironically, the 1st part also pertains to the Flyers)
- Tomahawk

Analytics made those decisions for them?

Not making any stupid signings on July 1 and not drafting a Tyler Biggs in the 1st round is considered progress for them.



(ironically, the 1st part also pertains to the Flyers)
- Tomahawk

I think it would be difficult to argue the Leafs aren't in a much better position to be successful in 2-3 years

Analytics made those decisions for them?
- MJL

yes

Analytics made those decisions for them?
- MJL

Not sure how you can look at their recent signings/picks and not say that they aren't compelled by what the #'s have stated all along -- you can't have too much puck skill/sense.

lol
- Tomahawk

Shanahan and Dubas spent a year reviewing the roster, coaches and front office and decided to rebuild the team and organization. If we are to judge them harshly because they didn't make "progress", then what does that say about Ron Hextall?

He took over a playoff team and promptly finished as the 7th worst team in the NHL.

Not sure how you can look at their recent signings/picks and not say that they aren't compelled by what the #'s have stated all along -- you can't have too much puck skill/sense.
- Tomahawk

Not sure how you can look at those recent signings and picks, and attribute those choices to analytics. Actual scouting is more likely responsible. Scouts look at skill level and hockey sense.
We just had the draft and there was a lot of interviews of scouts, draft pundits, etc. Didn't here too much about analytics.

Shanahan and Dubas spent a year reviewing the roster, coaches and front office and decided to rebuild the team and organization. If we are to judge them harshly because they didn't make "progress", then what does that say about Ron Hextall?

He took over a playoff team and promptly finished as the 7th worst team in the NHL.
- Jsaquella

Thanks for ignoring my response to you then saying the same thing.

So mad

Not sure how you can look at those recent signings and picks, and attribute those choices to analytics. Actual scouting is more likely responsible. Scouts look at skill level and hockey sense.
We just had the draft and there was a lot of interviews of scouts, draft pundits, etc. Didn't here too much about analytics.
- MJL

So Dubas is responsible for the players he didn't bring in performing poorly, but he has nothing to do with the direction and young talent brought in through the draft. Got it

Thanks for ignoring my response to you then saying the same thing.

So mad
- PhillySportsGuy

It's how I roll, G

So Dubas is responsible for the players he didn't bring in performing poorly, but he has nothing to do with the direction and young talent brought in through the draft. Got it
- PhillySportsGuy

If only he traded Bozak

Hextall wasn't hired due to his use and expertise of analytics. Gubas was.

So Dubas is responsible for the players he didn't bring in performing poorly, but he has nothing to do with the direction and young talent brought in through the draft. Got it
- PhillySportsGuy

None of that was said. Complete misrepresentation.