the Leafs got nothing for Kessel and will be the same for anyone else on that roster not named Bernier. JB is Toronto's best asset - everyone else on that team is average and will net an average return.
- Mr.Black

Oh

why do leaf fans think they can get a pot of gold for Drew Stafford, I mean JVR
- homiedclown

He's better than any player on that crappy Sabre team.

the Leafs got nothing for Kessel and will be the same for anyone else on that roster not named Bernier. JB is Toronto's best asset - everyone else on that team is average and will net an average return.
- Mr.Black

next

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- Fruitcakenipple

damn

the Leafs got nothing for Kessel and will be the same for anyone else on that roster not named Bernier. JB is Toronto's best asset - everyone else on that team is average and will net an average return.
- Mr.Black

This coming from a clueless Islander fan.

This coming from a clueless Islander fan.
- isitin

he needed to be told..

Steve Mason led the NHL in five-on-five save percentage among goalies with at least 1,000 minutes last year.

In 51 games, Mason posted a .943 save percentage. However, a .846 save percentage while shorthanded did him no favors. Mason had a strong season with the Flyers, finishing with a 2.25 goals-against average and .928 save percentage. The five-on-five metric is a good way to measure a goalie’s ability, thus making us stronger believers in Mason moving forward, despite the 18-18-11 record.

this is why the flyers don't have mcdavid

More like wingels = slightly less value than brouwer for 1 mil less
Nieto = B prospect (former 2nd round pick)
Mueller = B prospect (former 1st round pick)
Jevpalovs = B- prospect (worth late 2nd round pick/3rd round pick)

You're undervaluing the trade a little bit but I understand you hoping to get more. I just don't think you will. If no better options are offered by another team and nieto is on pace for 40-45 points playing on our second line, would you make the trade by the deadline or decide to hold on to JVR for another season?
- sjsharksss

JvR (1M retained) for Hertl and 2016 2nd + 3rd
Don't see this trade materializing

or

JvR, Finn and Polak (1M retained on Polak) for Mueller, Goldobin and 2016 + 2017 2nd round picks
Gives you a shutdown RH defenseman in his prime, at a great cap hit might I add, to replace Mueller. The ability to actively shop both Thornton and Marleau with JvR in the lineup and Meier can continue his development without being rushed. Finn gives you young defensive depth and could turn into a 2nd/3rd pairing guy. We get a top-4 defenseman, a potential 2nd line wizard and a couple more premium picks for the rebuild.

This coming from a clueless Islander fan.
- isitin

clueless?? Isles are just fine bud. LOL. I probably go to about 30-40 Leaf games a season bro. I follow the Leafs just as much as the Isles, I know your team better than you do - don't hate, appreciate. The Leafs got bent over for Kessel, it's public knowledge. Why so bitter in your post?

All I was saying is people shouldn't expect any significant returns on any remaining players but Bernier. JVR (unproven and inconsistent), Lupul (made of glass), Phaneuf (nuff said), and Kadri (as soon as he leaves TO he's gonna rip it up) will only fetch 2nd rounders and low level prospects. It's better for the Leafs to keep these guys around - they still need gamers and guys who can play.

clueless?? Isles are just fine bud. LOL. I probably go to about 30-40 Leaf games a season bro. I follow the Leafs just as much as the Isles, I know your team better than you do - don't hate, appreciate. The Leafs got bent over for Kessel, it's public knowledge. Why so bitter in your post?

All I was saying is people shouldn't expect any significant returns on any remaining players but Bernier. JVR (unproven and inconsistent), Lupul (made of glass), Phaneuf (nuff said), and Kadri (as soon as he leaves TO he's gonna rip it up) will only fetch 2nd rounders and low level prospects. It's better for the Leafs to keep these guys around - they still need gamers and guys who can play.
- Mr.Black

Yep clueless...

he played on a high scoring team and did he even hit 60 points ? He win e would not improve ouroffense even remotely enoug to give up. Top five pick next year and our best d prospect who tore it up once deboer was fired. Should we through I. Schneider to ?
- blizzzard

How do you define "Tearing it up" ? Just wondering

Exactly, you believe/hope he will develop into JVR....well, why not trade for what you hope he becomes. You know the odds are he won't.

Johansson has never scored nearly to what JVR is doing....not even a close comparison.
- Cooshie

Well johansson only scored 7 less goals and 9 less points than JVR did last year and he's producing at about the same level JVR was when he was the same age.. So really not that far off. But my point was that Toronto fans think a lot more highly of JVR than other fans do and that's fine..

And I don't think the odds are against Meier. I think the odds are very much in his favor to become a top 2 line winger that put up 60 points and clearly you do too or you wouldn't want to trade for him. I actually think that there's a good chance Meier is put on our top 3 lines out of training camp next season (not this season) which is something I want to see. It's not a terrible trade proposal, it's just not something I'm interested because Meier is one of our young players I want to see our team build around

Yep clueless...
- Fruitcakenipple

I don't pay for tickets

I don't pay for tickets
- Mr.Black

Ok....not so bad but still questionable...

I am 44 years old, and the leafs have been rebuilding my entire life
- homiedclown

Yes compared to those cup winning Sabres I truly understand. Oh ya forgot those Sabres haven't won a cup in 45 years.

Ok....not so bad but still questionable...
- Fruitcakenipple

Guilty.


Regardless, JVR, Kadri, and Bernier could be some good core guys to have when this thing rights itself and starts to come together. Phaneuf and Lupul are part of the problem, send em packing. Rielly is a gem, future captain, future looks bright.

I'm not totally convinced on the greatness of Bacon Poutine...

Yes compared to those cup winning Sabres I truly understand. Oh ya forgot those Sabres haven't won a cup in 45 years.
- isitin

so if he was a Hawks fan that would make his argument to be true?

JvR (1M retained) for Hertl and 2016 2nd + 3rd
Don't see this trade materializing

or

JvR, Finn and Polak (1M retained on Polak) for Mueller, Goldobin and 2016 + 2017 2nd round picks
Gives you a shutdown RH defenseman in his prime, at a great cap hit might I add, to replace Mueller. The ability to actively shop both Thornton and Marleau with JvR in the lineup and Meier can continue his development without being rushed. Finn gives you young defensive depth and could turn into a 2nd/3rd pairing guy. We get a top-4 defenseman, a potential 2nd line wizard and a couple more premium picks for the rebuild.
- optimus-reim

That 2nd offer is terrible I think hertl, a 2nd, and a C prospect would be even but I think hertl has a lot more to offer than he showed last year so I'd rather give him a shot on coutures line under deboer and see how he does before giving up on him and trading him. Could be willing to trade him anyway with the center depth that we have

so if he was a Hawks fan that would make his argument to be true?
- Mr.Black

My Leafs suck right now but his Sabres suck worse.

clueless?? Isles are just fine bud. LOL. I probably go to about 30-40 Leaf games a season bro. I follow the Leafs just as much as the Isles, I know your team better than you do - don't hate, appreciate. The Leafs got bent over for Kessel, it's public knowledge. Why so bitter in your post?

All I was saying is people shouldn't expect any significant returns on any remaining players but Bernier. JVR (unproven and inconsistent), Lupul (made of glass), Phaneuf (nuff said), and Kadri (as soon as he leaves TO he's gonna rip it up) will only fetch 2nd rounders and low level prospects. It's better for the Leafs to keep these guys around - they still need gamers and guys who can play.
- Mr.Black

All I ever read, while Phil was on the Leafs, is how poop he was, how bad he was in the dressing room and how his contract was immovable.

That 2nd offer is terrible I think hertl, a 2nd, and a C prospect would be even but I think hertl has a lot more to offer than he showed last year so I'd rather give him a shot on coutures line under deboer and see how he does before giving up on him and trading him. Could be willing to trade him anyway with the center depth that we have
- sjsharksss

I'd do JvR and Polak w/ 1M retained for Hertl, Dillon, 2016 2nd and 2017 3rd

All I ever read, while Phil was on the Leafs, is how poop he was, how bad he was in the dressing room and how his contract was immovable.
- walshyleafsfan

attitudes can be broken - he just didn't have the proper coach and it snowballed and got out of control. If Toronto would have got a guy like Babcock in 3 years ago, things would be so much different.

My Leafs suck right now but his Sabres suck worse.
- isitin

Yeah the Sabres are hurting and it's going to be like that for a long time. That team has been gutted and good luck to the fans, it's going to be a long haul.