Those are 2 serious injuries only 3 years in though

the concussion could be a long term issues


there is a big hole when zads was moved for ror

how is that hole going to be filled?
- homiedclown

By being patient and not throwing the farm at someone. That's how. We still have a huge hole in our top 6 at RW. Girgs could be used there instead. Or Reinhart. Either way. If you move Girgs, now you have less options up front as well.

It works two ways. I know you have to give to get, but I'm not giving up the player that essentially took the terrible team we've seen the last two years and put it on his back at 20 years old. I think it would be a completely stupid move to make at this juncture.

By being patient and not throwing the farm at someone. That's how. We still have a huge hole in our top 6 at RW. Girgs could be used there instead. Or Reinhart. Either way. If you move Girgs, now you have less options up front as well.

It works two ways. I know you have to give to get, but I'm not giving up the player that essentially took the terrible team we've seen the last two years and put it on his back at 20 years old. I think it would be a completely stupid move to make at this juncture.
- HonkFortheGoose

I know what you mean as he was one of the few bright spots, but this may be a bit of an overstatement.

I think you may be undervaluing his value around the league.

I know what you mean as he was one of the few bright spots, but this may be a bit of an overstatement.

I think you may be undervaluing his value around the league.
- ImThatGuy

So what you're saying is that you think Girgensons would garner a top pair LHD? I think he has the potential to be worth that, but I don't think he's there yet.

So what you're saying is that you think Girgensons would garner a top pair LHD? I think he has the potential to be worth that, but I don't think he's there yet.
- HonkFortheGoose

O'Reilly couldn't fetch a top pair d-man, I can't see how Girgensons would ever garner that kind of value. Over his last 3 full seasons he's averaged 58 points, there's no way Girgensons would be able to match that by being relegated to line 3.

And before "intangibles and 2-way game" are used as arguments, I'm pretty sure O'Reilly has been highly regarded in those facets too (complaints against him are greed/salary).

You all are crazy if you want to trade Gus he would make us pay

It works two ways. I know you have to give to get, but I'm not giving up the player that essentially took the terrible team we've seen the last two years and put it on his back at 20 years old. I think it would be a completely stupid move to make at this juncture.
- HonkFortheGoose

he is the 4th most talented center on this team right now

larsson will put up similar numbers and can be slotted as third line center

objectively he gets us the d man in a package, and there is no room for patience when you make moves for kane and ror


right now it's risto (been ok, nothing special so far), bogo (no O in his game) and pysyk (unproven yet steady stay at home d man with a nice outlet pass)


a 4th is needed with first pair upside

You all are crazy if you want to trade Gus he would make us pay
- gerbe75pts

I want nothing to do with trading him.

You all are crazy if you want to trade Gus he would make us pay
- gerbe75pts

who else is the centerpiece for a young top 4 d man?


give me one name


don't throw out foligno or larsson as they are throw ins

So what you're saying is that you think Girgensons would garner a top pair LHD? I think he has the potential to be worth that, but I don't think he's there yet.
- HonkFortheGoose

girgens, plus and plus gets one

he is the 4th most talented center on this team right now

larsson will put up similar numbers and can be slotted as third line center

objectively he gets us the d man in a package, and there is no room for patience when you make moves for kane and ror


right now it's risto (been ok, nothing special so far), bogo (no O in his game) and pysyk (unproven yet steady stay at home d man with a nice outlet pass)


a 4th is needed with first pair upside
- homiedclown

So move Larsson. I think Girgs has more upside than Larsson does and he doesn't pout when things aren't going his way.

NYS spends 700 Million dollars a year on welfare paid out to fast food employees who don't make enough money to pay their bills and need SS assistence.

Almost all of these fast food employees are given only minimum-wage, part-time, rotating shift work.

The 15 dollar minimum wage applies to McDonalds employees in NEW YORK CITY and possibly CHICAGO only at this point.

15 dollars an hour isn't even enough to live off of in NYC and Chicago, especially when it is part-time work.

McDonalds is a MULTI-BILLION dollar corporation. It can certainly afford it.

What the (frank) does it matter to you how much a McDonalds employee makes? It is a high-stress, high-traffic customer service job. You want to work at a McDonalds?

I just (frank)ing love how people like you female dog about poor people making 15 bucks an hour but have nothing to say about corporate douche-bag CEOs making 2,000++ bucks an hour.

If the majority of the workers weren't black would you run your mouth still?

Sit the (frank) down.
- DynamicThreads

No problem with this debate getting started, but man...you REALLY need to calm down sometimes...you come charging in and basically call someone a racist snob.

Your points are all valid, but chill out when getting into things

Until McDonlads and BK and every other fast food joint replaces more than half of their work force with touch screen machines and now those people have $0 an hour to pay bills instead of $9.....

Also. LOL WUT? That is not true at all.

Also - Also - DO you think "Corporate douchebag CEO" got there by trying to take the easy way out or worked at McDonalds, or do you think possibly "That douche" busted his arse through school and while working for a miniscule wage.

there is a lot wrong with your post, but this is not the place, nor the time to discuss it.
- ImThatGuy

Corporations already outsource as much as they can to countries with no minimum wage, do you really think this will change there mindset on automation one bit? They would/will be attempting to if the minimum was 5 an hour.

You all are crazy if you want to trade Gus he would make us pay
- gerbe75pts

So if 1 for 1 you were offered one of:
Ryan Murray
Noah Hanifin
Jonas Brodin


You wouldn't do it?

His value isn't going to get you the guy you want though. Not right now. So you're essentially giving up a TON to get 1 player back.

Thanks, but no thanks.

As far as injuries go, he had a concussion in the A and a broken ankle in the NHL. I wouldn't exactly say he's had a lot of injuries.
- HonkFortheGoose

Ankle 2014. He also broke his foot and was place on IR in 2015.

I think Zemgus is an outstanding, hardworking 25G25A 3C who will be a great example of leadership, all in a single individual.

But I think we have - or can easily find - other 3Cs, or guys who are outstanding and hardworking, or who can score 25G25A, or who can be a great example of leadership. Maybe not in a single individual, but certainly in combination.

On the other hand, we don't have anybody, and it is extraordinarily hard to find, a 1LHD.

So viewing the players strictly as commodities and skillsets, its easier to replace Zemgus than it is to acquire the 1LHD.

That's why I would consider the deal. (NB. CONSIDER the deal, not PULL THE TRIGGER "DONE").
- Der Kaiser

There was only 35-40 players in the NHL that scored 25 goals last year.... out of the Centers 90% of them are 1C or 2C so where do you think we can just "pick up" a 3C to score 25G???

So move Larsson. I think Girgs has more upside than Larsson does and he doesn't pout when things aren't going his way.
- HonkFortheGoose

the trade value is much higher for girgens though


maybe ennis is the player he has to move

To bring something up from yesterday...I ended up watching all of season 1 last night.

who else is the centerpiece for a young top 4 d man?


give me one name


don't throw out foligno or larsson as they are throw ins
- homiedclown

it's called waiting we don't have to blow our load to make a push for 8th .

just hope for Draft "DAY "

So if 1 for 1 you were offered one of:
Ryan Murray
Noah Hanifin
Jonas Brodin


You wouldn't do it?
- ImThatGuy

No .. players like Gus don't grow on trees

the trade value is much higher for girgens though


maybe ennis is the player he has to move
- homiedclown

That doesn't make sense either. Because now you're moving the 1 guy we have in the top 6 that plays RW.

Why is everyone so set on moving the few guys we have that have had some success over the past few years?

This season should be about letting these guys grow together and figuring out what holes definitely need to be plugged.

I agree that a top pair Dman is still needed, but I don't think that selling off some of the few "knowns" we have right now is a smart move.

it's called waiting we don't have to blow our load to make a push for 8th .

just hope for Draft "DAY "
- gerbe75pts

your not ready

the trade value is much higher for girgens though


maybe ennis is the player he has to move
- homiedclown

2016 1st + on draft day

That doesn't make sense either. Because now you're moving the 1 guy we have in the top 6 that plays RW.

Why is everyone so set on moving the few guys we have that have had some success over the past few years.

This season should be about letting these guys grow together and figuring out what holes definitely need to be plugged.

I agree that a top pair Dman is still needed, but I don't think that selling off some of the few "knowns" we have right now is a smart move.
- HonkFortheGoose

that hole will have to get filled next year, if not this season though


it's not out of line to start a conversation on how to fill the hole

There was only 35-40 players in the NHL that scored 25 goals last year.... out of the Centers 90% of them are 1C or 2C so where do you think we can just "pick up" a 3C to score 25G???
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

LionEater was not one of them.

Also, you don't just pick up a 3C to score 25G, you trade for a package that gets you 25G and a 1LHD. btw, Ekman-Larson does that in a single individual.

Corporations already outsource as much as they can to countries with no minimum wage, do you really think this will change there mindset on automation one bit? They would/will be attempting to if the minimum was 5 an hour.
- sbroads24

Its already been stated by the CEO's of these corporations and labor boards that if this happens many will lose jobs. you are talking a millions in increased wages. Layoffs and automation will happen. it has been estimated only 2% of the below poverty line will benefit from this. but again not time or place for this debate.