Peter Laviolette is 2-0 versus the Sabres in playoff series, and in both series' he has started two different goaltenders. Go figure.
- buffalofan19

he owns ruff

game 2 he gave up 4 goals on 35 shots
game 4 he laid an egg 4 goals on 25 shots
no reason why that series shouldn't have been 3-1 sabres after 4 games instead of a split


game 5 is a 4-3 loss in OT, both teams had 26 shots

game 7 ward clearly outplayed him


I made a simple statement, he got outplayed by the cane goalies and every stat backed it up


wasn't a miller bash, til you went there

- homiedclown

Not the first time you've bashed Miller was the reason I mentioned it.

Not the first time you've bashed Miller was the reason I mentioned it.
- bluengold12

HE GOT OUTPLAYED BY 2 BUMS

if your close to elite, you rise in those series not fold like a cheap suit

injuries didn't keep the oilers from getting to the finals in that year


conservative coaching for games 5 and 7, piss poor special teams and average goaltending cost us the series
- homiedclown

When your starting defenceman for game 7 are Rory Fitzpatrick, Doug Janick, Jeff Jilson and Nathan Paetch... that's a pretty improbable circumstance.

The Canes were more gritty and veteran for sure but you can't tell me the outcome wouldn't have been different with Talinder in his prime, McKee, Numminen and Kalinin plus even though he sucked for most of his career Connolly was crushing it that year and would have been a huge help.

When your starting defenceman for game 7 are Rory Fitzpatrick, Doug Janick, Jeff Jilson and Nathan Paetch... that's a pretty improbable circumstance.

The Canes were more gritty and veteran for sure but you can't tell me the outcome wouldn't have been different with Talinder in his prime, McKee, Numminen and Kalinin plus even though he sucked for most of his career Connolly was crushing it that year and would have been a huge help.
- bluengold12

"The great ones find a way to get it done." What ended up costing the Sabres was that they, Miller included, were good, not great.

When your starting defenceman for game 7 are Rory Fitzpatrick, Doug Janick, Jeff Jilson and Nathan Paetch... that's a pretty improbable circumstance.

The Canes were more gritty and veteran for sure but you can't tell me the outcome wouldn't have been different with Talinder in his prime, McKee, Numminen and Kalinin plus even though he sucked for most of his career Connolly was crushing it that year and would have been a huge help.
- bluengold12

The Oilers took the Canes to game 7 with their 3rd stringer in net.

While it was definitely a string of bad luck, there was no doubt that Carolina was the more physical team in that series. The Sabres were a finesse team, and that was essentially their downfall in both 2006 and 2007.
- buffalofan19

That roster with maybe even 4 out of the top 6 original D would have beaten the Canes. Sure Canes were more physical but so was Ottawa when we played them too.

The Oilers took the Canes to game 7 with their 3rd stringer in net.
- dadeadhead

Exactly. Shows that the Canes got lucky in playing a team with 4 starting defenceman out and a 3rd stringer in goal and still had to go to two game 7's to beat both.

"The great ones find a way to get it done." What ended up costing the Sabres was that they, Miller included, were good, not great.
- buffalofan19

Sorry that was a team of destiny and without an unheard of injury list on the backend we would have been hoisting the cup that year.

The Oilers took the Canes to game 7 with their 3rd stringer in net.
- dadeadhead

Miller wasn't the problem. He also wasn't the solution.

Debate ended.

"The great ones find a way to get it done." What ended up costing the Sabres was that they, Miller included, were good, not great.
- buffalofan19

average special teams, goaltending and coaching and that sabre team beats the canes and oilers with ease

Miller wasn't the problem. He also wasn't the solution.

Debate ended.
- HonkFortheGoose

Don't you tell me how to run my life missy...........

Miller wasn't the problem. He also wasn't the solution.

Debate ended.
- HonkFortheGoose

Fair enough

average special teams, goaltending and coaching and that sabre team beats the canes and oilers with ease
- homiedclown

Muckler not trading Andreychuk, Puppa, and the pick that became Kenny Jonsson for Fuhr in 93 is also one of those big if question marks.

That roster with maybe even 4 out of the top 6 original D would have beaten the Canes. Sure Canes were more physical but so was Ottawa when we played them too.
- bluengold12

patches and jilson were +/- 0 in game 7

janik was -1


the fill ins played good enough for that team to win IMO

hell janik got one of the goals

the better players on the sabres got outplayed by the better players on the canes, including the goalie

Muckler not trading Andreychuk, Puppa, and the pick that became Kenny Jonsson for Fuhr in 93 is also one of those big if question marks.
- dadeadhead

agreed

if hasek or puppa is in net, they beat the habs

Sorry that was a team of destiny and without an unheard of injury list on the backend we would have been hoisting the cup that year.
- bluengold12

Seems like the Canes were the team of destiny to get a series that ended with an opponent with 4 AHL D in the lineup and then following that up in the cup finals against a 3rd string goalie.

patches and jilson were +/- 0 in game 7

janik was -1


the fill ins played good enough for that team to win IMO

hell janik got one of the goals

the better players on the sabres got outplayed by the better players on the canes, including the goalie
- homiedclown

Regardless on how they played. Only thing worth remembering is the final score. Everything else can be debated .

agreed

if hasek or puppa is in net, they beat the habs
- homiedclown

You mean Dave Andreychuk wouldn't have helped in the 3 ot games?

Every game was 4-3 Montreal.

Vanek was healthy scratches more often then not that year and most if not all of the cane games

Regardless on how they played. Only thing worth remembering is the final score. Everything else can be debated .
- cabin

I am tired of excuses


dig deeper and get results

You mean Dave Andreychuk wouldn't have helped in the 3 ot games?

Every game was 4-3 Montreal.
- dadeadhead

the white goalie was better

the white goalie was better
- homiedclown

Fuhr 0-4 16 ga .846 sv% 104 SA

Roy 4-0 12 ga .915 sv% 142 SA

Vanek was healthy scratches more often then not that year and most if not all of the cane games
- homiedclown

Vanek played 2 of 7 games that series.

1 point a pp goal

I am tired of excuses


dig deeper and get results
- homiedclown

Miller 3-4 194 SA 22 ga .887 sv%
Canes duo 4-3 182 SA 17 ga .907 sv%