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WhiteLie
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Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Jul 21 @ 4:17 PM ET
It would be cool if they took Pheonix or Florida and had them wander around North America for a couple of seasons. Maybe they spend a month in Kansas City and other potential markets to gauge interest, a month in Saskatchewan and other hockey mad markets that would never be able to support a team full time, etc.

Obviously it would never happen, most of the players, particularly the older ones, wouldn't appreciate being basically homeless for an entire season, but it would be interesting. They would make a killing in jersey sales and other merch alone.

- CubanBuffet


Exactly what I was thinking with regards to NBA's handling of New Orleans/OKC. Take a team that already exists and place them in a market for a season or two to test. Then you know if FLA/PHX really wants them back and if another market can support a team
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 21 @ 4:18 PM ET
Sven has the leverage .... Is Benning really going to trade a 2nd for a guy who bolts the next year to Europe ....I doubt it
- Redmile247

Sven = Derek Roy

I don't see much leverage
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Jul 21 @ 4:25 PM ET
Do you believe Sven wants to play in the KHL? The kid has been gifted a tremendous opportunity in the top 6 of an NHL team that believes in him. There is zero chance he jumps to Europe unless he can't find employment in a few years. Kids playing in the Whl don't dream of playing in Europe. He came to NA because he wants to be an NHL player.
- CanuckDon


The flames traded Sven because he basically told them he was going to Europe unless they guaranteed him a spot
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 21 @ 4:27 PM ET
Sven = Derek Roy

I don't see much leverage

- A_SteamingLombardi


You mean because he's not that tall, and the length of the lever in proportion to the fulcrum would be too short to lift something heavy?
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 21 @ 4:28 PM ET
The flames traded Sven because he basically told them he was going to Europe unless they guaranteed him a spot
- Redmile247

Then I hope he enjoys Europe.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 21 @ 4:28 PM ET
You mean because he's not that tall, and the length of the lever in proportion to the fulcrum would be too short to lift something heavy?
- 1970vintage

You are (frank)ing brilliant.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 21 @ 4:31 PM ET
The flames traded Sven because he basically told them he was going to Europe unless they guaranteed him a spot
- Redmile247


Baertschi was traded because he wasn't fitting in that system and Calgary decided that a 2nd was more worthwhile. I don't doubt conversations about Sven's future come up but I doubt very much that you can substantiate that rumour of him threatening the team.

That said I think he does have leverage because of the way he has been sold to this fan-base. We will see what happens but I am confident that he will be signed, that number might be higher than his comparables in regards to stats but the Canucks don't have many young players to hang their hats on and that is why he is likely able to put some pressure on Benning.
Makita
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Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 21 @ 4:32 PM ET
Then I hope he enjoys Europe.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Don't think it would be that simple...Burke as GM for sure.

Personally I don't think JB is going to just through away that 2nd, just so Sven could help the Comets get to the final.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 21 @ 4:32 PM ET
The flames traded Sven because he basically told them he was going to Europe unless they guaranteed him a spot
- Redmile247


ThAts half the story.....
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 21 @ 4:36 PM ET
Baertschi was traded because he wasn't fitting in that system and Calgary decided that a 2nd was more worthwhile. I don't doubt conversations about Sven's future come up but I doubt very much that you can substantiate that rumour of him threatening the team.

That said I think he does have leverage because of the way he has been sold to this fan-base. We will see what happens but I am confident that he will be signed, that number might be higher than his comparables in regards to stats but the Canucks don't have many young players to hang their hats on and that is why he is likely able to put some pressure on Benning.

- belcherbd


Which brings us back to this fan base freaking out when they perceive he is over payed and Etem got this and Bennet got that, and to tell the truth I hope JB doesn't grossly over pay like another contract...
vancity787
Vancouver Canucks
Location: My Parents Basement, BC
Joined: 07.14.2008

Jul 21 @ 4:39 PM ET
God help this forum if Benning over pays Sven.
- bloatedmosquito

Its got to be a bridge contract no more than two years 5 mill, 2.5 per. Even that may be too much.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
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Jul 21 @ 4:40 PM ET
Its got to be a bridge contract no more than two years 5 mill, 2.5 per. Even that may be too much.
- vancity787




Makita
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Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 21 @ 4:41 PM ET
Its got to be a bridge contract no more than two years 5 mill, 2.5 per. Even that may be too much.
- vancity787


I think that would be too much...how about 2 years 1.25per
SMP8719
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ALDY , BC
Joined: 02.24.2012

Jul 21 @ 4:42 PM ET
sven most likely signs 2yrs/3m
- SRam19


Why? What has he done to warrant that kind of money.... guy hasn't even stuck in the NHL yet. He should at max get a slight raise on what he was making.
SMP8719
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ALDY , BC
Joined: 02.24.2012

Jul 21 @ 4:42 PM ET
Its got to be a bridge contract no more than two years 5 mill, 2.5 per. Even that may be too much.
- vancity787


Way too much.... guy hasn't even made the NHL yet
vancity787
Vancouver Canucks
Location: My Parents Basement, BC
Joined: 07.14.2008

Jul 21 @ 4:42 PM ET




- A_SteamingLombardi

I wouldnt mind 2 shmill.

As long as its short term.

I think his numbers will be quite decent in blue and green next year.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 21 @ 4:51 PM ET
Its got to be a bridge contract no more than two years 5 mill, 2.5 per. Even that may be too much.
- vancity787

He is not even worth Horvats salary yet
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 21 @ 4:52 PM ET
I wouldnt mind 2 shmill.

As long as its short term.

I think his numbers will be quite decent in blue and green next year.

- vancity787

He's played 69 games in the NHL in 4 yrs, that's 17 games a year and his last contract was 895K and 70K in the AHL. If he wants a 1 way contract it will be 600-900K.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 21 @ 4:58 PM ET
I think that would be too much...how about 2 years 1.25per
- Makita


That is more desirable but I still think it will be higher.

Benning hasn't nickel and dimed other players on contracts and can't see him making a big deal of a few 100K with Sven especially because he is one the guys he went out an acquired.

I think Sven's agent must be looking for significantly more for Benning to be hesitating.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 21 @ 5:01 PM ET
That is more desirable but I still think it will be higher.

Benning hasn't nickel and dimed other players on contracts and can't see him making a big deal of a few 100K with Sven especially because he is one the guys he went out an acquired.

I think Sven's agent must be looking for significantly more for Benning to be hesitating.

- belcherbd

Bo makes 900 K and Virtanen also

Vey makes 1 mil. Why does a guy with 10 goals in 70 games deserve more?
Makita
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Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 21 @ 5:03 PM ET
That is more desirable but I still think it will be higher.

Benning hasn't nickel and dimed other players on contracts and can't see him making a big deal of a few 100K with Sven especially because he is one the guys he went out an acquired.

I think Sven's agent must be looking for significantly more for Benning to be hesitating.

- belcherbd


As others have stated, he hasn't earned that much of a significant raise, which is why I thought a few 100K would be palatable.

Is there a minimum raise that must be offered, if so what would it be?
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 21 @ 5:06 PM ET
He's played 69 games in the NHL in 4 yrs, that's 17 games a year and his last contract was 895K and 70K in the AHL. If he wants a 1 way contract it will be 600-900K.
- A_SteamingLombardi


It should be in that range, but I'm not so sure it will be.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jul 21 @ 5:12 PM ET




- A_SteamingLombardi



Great. The canucks will have their very own Justin Schultz...
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 21 @ 5:13 PM ET
As others have stated, he hasn't earned that much of a significant raise, which is why I thought a few 100K would be palatable.

Is there a minimum raise that must be offered, if so what would it be?

- Makita


He would of had to been qualified at a minimum of 873 K which was a 5% raise on what he earned last season.

I agree he hasn't earned that much of a raise but then why hasn't he been signed ?
I doubt Benning is balking at signing him for 1 - 1.5 considering the other contracts he has signed. Why try to save a few 100K here ?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 21 @ 5:17 PM ET
I don't blame Sven or his agent trying to squeeze out an extra 100K or two. They know Benning gave up a decent pick for him and Benning isn't considered to be a string negotiator so why not try to take advantage to add a little more to their bank accounts?
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