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Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Jul 22 @ 11:45 AM ET
What's even sadder is that you could make a pretty compelling argument that some to all shouldn't even be up there.
- CubanBuffet


I think that a player doesn't have to be a first ballot hall of famer to have his number raised ...when you discuss different eras there will be a player or two that everyone thinks of first ...they are just as important to your franchise as some greats are to the red wings or Habs
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jul 22 @ 11:49 AM ET
What's even sadder is that you could make a pretty compelling argument that some to all shouldn't even be up there.
- CubanBuffet

So true.
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Jul 22 @ 12:16 PM ET
I think that a player doesn't have to be a first ballot hall of famer to have his number raised ...when you discuss different eras there will be a player or two that everyone thinks of first ...they are just as important to your franchise as some greats are to the red wings or Habs
- Redmile247


I don't disagree, but even with that in mind, I still don't think they all belong in the rafters.
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Jul 22 @ 12:42 PM ET
I don't disagree, but even with that in mind, I still don't think they all belong in the rafters.
- CubanBuffet


True ...who would you take down ?
I-own_da-Northwest
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cariboo, BC
Joined: 08.08.2009

Jul 22 @ 12:54 PM ET
True ...who would you take down ?
- Redmile247

Bure, Smyl and possibly Naslund. Loved all 3.... But imho never did enough to retire their #s
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 22 @ 12:59 PM ET
US$ now over $1.30
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jul 22 @ 1:06 PM ET
Bure, Smyl and possibly Naslund. Loved all 3.... But imho never did enough to retire their #s
- I-own_da-Northwest


Once they are up there, it is kind of hard to take them down.

I have nothing against Smyl, wasn't much of a Canucks fan at the time and wasn't living in the city to know his impact, so I don't know what he meant to the team. Bure with the '94 run was something. Didn't like that he couldn't wait to get out of here... Linden, "94 run, held many team scoring records until the Sedins came along, and came back first chance he got after being traded.

Really though, it isn't worth getting excited about. Stanley cup banners are what we want and the Canucks engraved on the cup.

I like the ring of honour better for recognition. Seems more personal. I Like Pat Quinn in the ring and his likeness. It seems like a more prominent place in Rogers, than up in the rafters.
EastVan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 01.07.2015

Jul 22 @ 1:18 PM ET
Bure, Smyl and possibly Naslund. Loved all 3.... But imho never did enough to retire their #s
- I-own_da-Northwest


Bure not being there would totally discount the 1994 Stanley Cup run. My greatest moment as a Vancouver Canucks fan was the his series series winning goal against the Calgary Flames in second overtime of game 7. Not to mention he led the league during both the season and playoffs in goals and was second in points during the Stanley Cup run.
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Jul 22 @ 1:25 PM ET
True ...who would you take down ?
- Redmile247


Nasland probably and maybe Bure. Nothing against either player, they were an absolute pleasure to watch, but...
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 22 @ 1:33 PM ET
Nasland probably and maybe Bure. Nothing against either player, they were an absolute pleasure to watch, but...
- CubanBuffet

Yeah, foreigners meh
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Jul 22 @ 1:33 PM ET
Interview with the Swedish reporter who wrote that article on the Sedins. Man, we're lucky to have had them, wish we could have built a better team around them.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 22 @ 1:39 PM ET
Bure is the only one who deserves to have his number in the rafters IMO. He won the Calder Trophy as a Canuck. He's the only player in Canucks history to have a P/G at 1 or higher in both the regular season and the playoffs.

He's one of only a handful of players in league history to ever score multiple 60 goal seasons and he did it in a Canucks uniform. Also…one of the most exciting NHL players to ever play the game, and, he's in the HHOF. The only true superstar this franchise has ever seen.

Naslund, Linden & Smyl belong in the ring of honour…nothing more. It speaks volumes to the lack of success the franchise has had over the past 45 years.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jul 22 @ 1:42 PM ET
Interview with the Swedish reporter who wrote that article on the Sedins. Man, we're lucky to have had them, wish we could have built a better team around them.
- CubanBuffet


Was just listening...

So the Sedins think this little rebuild may lead to another chance at a cup run.... possibly with the Sedins supporting the push from the youth.

Whether the Canucks make or miss the playoffs next season, I don't think we will see a big selloff of vets/core unless they are on the last year of their contract.

Jason Brough @JasonPHT .


.@Lindquistik thinks if the Canucks want to trade the Sedins in final year of deals, it won't be a Sundin-like situation. They won't say no.
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Jul 22 @ 1:47 PM ET
Bure is the only one who deserves to have his number in the rafters IMO. He won the Calder Trophy as a Canuck. He's the only player in Canucks history to have a P/G at 1 or higher in both the regular season and the playoffs.

He's one of only a handful of players in league history to ever score multiple 60 goal seasons and he did it in a Canucks uniform. Also…one of the most exciting NHL players to ever play the game, and, he's in the HHOF.

Naslund, Linden & Smyl belong in the ring of honour…nothing more. It speaks volumes to the lack of success the franchise has had over the past 45 years.

- LeftCoaster


Bure is far and away the best of those players, but the whole demanded a trade thing wrecks it for me.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jul 22 @ 1:48 PM ET
Bure is the only one who deserves to have his number in the rafters IMO. He won the Calder Trophy as a Canuck. He's the only player in Canucks history to have a P/G at 1 or higher in both the regular season and the playoffs.

He's one of only a handful of players in league history to ever score multiple 60 goal seasons and he did it in a Canucks uniform. Also…one of the most exciting NHL players to ever play the game, and, he's in the HHOF.

Naslund, Linden & Smyl belong in the ring of honour…nothing more. It speaks volumes to the lack of success the franchise has had over the past 45 years.

- LeftCoaster

This...is bang on.

One could make an argument for Linden but really Bure is the only one.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 22 @ 1:50 PM ET
Bure is the only one who deserves to have his number in the rafters IMO. He won the Calder Trophy as a Canuck. He's the only player in Canucks history to have a P/G at 1 or higher in both the regular season and the playoffs.

He's one of only a handful of players in league history to ever score multiple 60 goal seasons and he did it in a Canucks uniform. Also…one of the most exciting NHL players to ever play the game, and, he's in the HHOF. The only true superstar this franchise has ever seen.

Naslund, Linden & Smyl belong in the ring of honour…nothing more. It speaks volumes to the lack of success the franchise has had over the past 45 years.

- LeftCoaster



The bar has already been set too low.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 22 @ 1:51 PM ET
Bure is far and away the best of those players, but the whole demanded a trade thing wrecks it for me.
- CubanBuffet

He was treated awful by the men in charge of the club, there's always two sides to every tale. For me, it doesn't take away from the success he had on the ice or the turnaround the team had once he came around.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jul 22 @ 1:54 PM ET
Bure is far and away the best of those players, but the whole demanded a trade thing wrecks it for me.
- CubanBuffet



I had no issue with Bure going into the Hall, but the rafters.... Didn`t like the way he left Vancouver though... maybe he was justified to request the trade if he thought the org went back on their word.

Criteria for the rafters should be different than the Hall. Character, being a good team mate and community contributions should also be considered when determining if a players number gets retired in the rafters.
EastVan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 01.07.2015

Jul 22 @ 2:00 PM ET
Bure is the only one who deserves to have his number in the rafters IMO. He won the Calder Trophy as a Canuck. He's one of only a handful of players in league history to ever score multiple 60 goal seasons and he did it in a Canucks uniform. Also…one of the most exciting NHL players to ever play the game, and, he's in the HHOF.

Naslund, Linden & Smyl belong in the ring of honour…nothing more. It speaks volumes to the lack of success the franchise has had over the past 45 years.

- LeftCoaster


If LaFayette didn't hit the post and the Canucks pulled off a Stanley Cup upset in 1994, there would be no questioning Linden and Bure in the rafters.

People forget that back in 1994, the 22 year old Bure was playing with a groin injury for a large stretch of the season and still managed to lead the league in goals.

If you discount the stretch of games while playing injured and not producing, in 59 games he had 56 goals 35 assists 91 points. That would be 80 goals and 130 points over the entire 84 game season. He could produce without any other first-line talent (e.g. Craven and Odjick).

He would have easily won the Hart Trophy over Sergei Fedorov and be considered a generational talent but because of his injury-plagued carrier he isn't.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jul 22 @ 2:01 PM ET
US$ now over $1.30
- A_SteamingLombardi


Perfect time for the Nordiques to go bankrupt again.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jul 22 @ 2:12 PM ET
Yeah, foreigners meh
- A_SteamingLombardi


A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 22 @ 2:14 PM ET
Perfect time for the Nordiques to go bankrupt again.
- AlexF

Seattle knows how the game is played, let Quebec spend all the money and go tits up then pick up the scraps.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jul 22 @ 2:22 PM ET
Seattle knows how the game is played, let Quebec spend all the money and go tits up then pick up the scraps.
- A_SteamingLombardi


It's a good plan but one that I don't think Seattle is playing.

The Vancouver investor who wants to get an NHL team into Seattle is dependent on a stadium/arena being built which, in turn, is awaiting an NBA team. The consideration for a hockey team is definitely 2nd fiddle in that town.
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Jul 22 @ 2:27 PM ET
He was treated awful by the men in charge of the club, there's always two sides to every tale. For me, it doesn't take away from the success he had on the ice or the turnaround the team had once he came around.
- LeftCoaster


Management did screw him around, but like you say, there's two sides to every story. Bure wasn't an innocent bystander in that conflict. And to me that does matter.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 22 @ 2:32 PM ET
It's a good plan but one that I don't think Seattle is playing.

The Vancouver investor who wants to get an NHL team into Seattle is dependent on a stadium/arena being built which, in turn, is awaiting an NBA team. The consideration for a hockey team is definitely 2nd fiddle in that town.

- AlexF

Oh I'm not being serious, Seattle will never be able to support an NHL team. They want an NBA franchise again because they have a history of winning a championship.
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