I stopped reading at Phaneuf.
Your obscene post has been flagged!
- Marwood

Problem is it'll be a leafs mod that will come in and ban you for flagging the obscene trade proposal

Welcome aboard the tank train. It's a bit of a bumpy ride but the end destination is well worth it.
- bloatedmosquito

Well thanks. I'm not up for a 5 year tank. More of a 2 bad years and maximizing draft picks and prospects. First priority needs to be a franchise D.

Well thanks. I'm not up for a 5 year tank. More of a 2 bad years and maximizing draft picks and prospects. First priority needs to be a franchise D.
- manvanfan

How ? Finishing 15 th will never accomplish that

Problem is it'll be a leafs mod that will come in and ban you for flagging the obscene trade proposal
- Makita

I didn't say 'panties' or 'pillow-biter' so I should be safe. Although, a ban would be a blessing these days.

How ? Finishing 15 th will never accomplish that
- VANTEL

Best hope is that we win the lottery and get this kid:

http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=243386

Best hope is that we win the lottery and get this kid:

http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=243386


- Nucker101

Oilers always win the Lottery so no chance

How ? Finishing 15 th will never accomplish that
- VANTEL

Erik Karlsson - 15th overall
Shea Webber - 49th overall
Duncan Keith - 54th overall
Nick Lidstrom - 53rd overall
PK Subban - 43rd overall

see where I'm going with this?

Erik Karlsson - 15th overall
Shea Webber - 49th overall
Duncan Keith - 54th overall
Nick Lidstrom - 53rd overall
PK Subban - 43rd overall

see where I'm going with this?
- 1970vintage

And this is a yearly occurrence?

Erik Karlsson - 15th overall
Shea Webber - 49th overall
Duncan Keith - 54th overall
Nick Lidstrom - 53rd overall
PK Subban - 43rd overall

see where I'm going with this?
- 1970vintage

True, but picking higher increases your odds of finding a top line center or elite #1 d-man. That's undeniable.

And this is a yearly occurrence?
- VANTEL

Are "franchise" defencemen a yearly occurrence?

True, but picking higher increases your odds of finding a top line center or elite #1 d-man. That's undeniable.
- Nucker101

Not denying it, only pointing out that Norris/Con Smyth quality D don't just come in the top 3 picks.

True, but picking higher increases your odds of finding a top line center or elite #1 d-man. That's undeniable.
- Nucker101

I knew someone would post that. It has been done like 10 times in the history of drafting that some team pulls a rabbit out of their ass and gets a superstar and some make it seem like this is an annual event of drafting a top Dman . Scouting has really improved over the
Ask few years and just about every team is aware of what a kids potential is.

I knew someone would post that. It has been done like 10 times in the history of drafting that some team pulls a rabbit out of their ass and gets a superstar and some mak s it seem like this is an annual event of drafting a top Dman . Scouting has really improved over the
Ask few years and just about every team is aware of what a kids potential is.
- VANTEL

OK, let's do it the other way.

In your opinion, who are the "Franchise" D in the league?

Not denying it, only pointing out that Norris/Con Smyth quality D don't just come in the top 3 picks.
- 1970vintage

It happens so rarely now that they are drafted late

OK, let's do it the other way.

In your opinion, who are the "Franchise" D in the league?
- 1970vintage

EKblad Jones in the last two years not counting this year

EKblad Jones in the last two years not counting this year
- VANTEL

So you're saying that of the 30 teams in the NHL, there are only 2?

So you're saying that of the 30 teams in the NHL, there are only 2?
- 1970vintage

Franchise Dmen or good Dmen?

Franchise Dmen or good Dmen?
- VANTEL

"True" #1 guys.

"True" #1 guys.
- 1970vintage

Every team has a #1guy . Doesn't mean he is good.I think the only two Dmen Weber, Doughty quality drafted the last few years are EKblad Jones Josi and Hamilton

Every team has a #1guy . Doesn't mean he is good.I think the only two Dmen Weber, Doughty quality drafted the last few years are EKblad Jones Josi and Hamilton
- VANTEL

Such a cop out, you are basically proving my point. Want some more names?

Letang - 62nd
Yandle - 105th
Pietrangelo - 4th
Jones - 4th
Carlson - 27th
Giordano - undrafted
Doughty - 2nd
OEL - 6th

Look, drafting higher gives a better chance of picking a truly elite prospect, but there are plenty of excellent quality hockey players to be found in later rounds, or at the end of the first round.

Such a cop out, you are basically proving my point. Want some more names?

Letang - 62nd
Yandle - 105th
Pietrangelo - 4th
Jones - 4th
Carlson - 27th
Giordano - undrafted
Doughty - 2nd
OEL - 6th

Look, drafting higher gives a better chance of picking a truly elite prospect, but there are plenty of excellent quality hockey players to be found in later rounds, or at the end of the first round.
- 1970vintage

In the last five years drafting has got more advanced. Franchise players that are drafted late on D are so seldom in the last 5 years. There have been about 20 gems found in the last 20 years . You can't just count on now drafting at 15 th and finding a gem . Very rare.

Such a cop out, you are basically proving my point. Want some more names?

Letang - 62nd
Yandle - 105th
Pietrangelo - 4th
Jones - 4th
Carlson - 27th
Giordano - undrafted
Doughty - 2nd
OEL - 6th

Look, drafting higher gives a better chance of picking a truly elite prospect, but there are plenty of excellent quality hockey players to be found in later rounds, or at the end of the first round.
- 1970vintage

EDIT - I would add that Hamhuis (though not drafted by the Canucks) was 12th overall, and Josi was 38th.

In the last five years drafting has got more advanced. Franchise players that are drafted late on D are so seldom in the last 5 years. There have been about 20 gems found in the last 20 years . You can't just count on now drafting at 15 th and finding a gem . Very rare.
- VANTEL

We won't know the truth of this for another 5 years. You can count on finding gems in every round, every year.

We won't know the truth of this for another 5 years. You can count on finding gems in every round, every year.
- 1970vintage

This year before the draft Benning was asked on the 1040 if he was trying to move up with a trade. He said no. Then they asked him if he was going to after a Dman with the 23 Rd . He again said probably not they will go after a forward ,BPA, seeing it is such a crap shoot that low in the draft on D. His next pick was 4 th round at the time and I take that as D was not a huge issue.

Managers in the past had somewhat an unwritten rule don't take D in the first round , that is why some nuggets were pulled out in later picks. Managers are now paying a lot more attention to D in the last couple of years . Scouting is so high tech now .

Even if one gem a year is drafted on D in the later round by luck , that is not a good % rule to build a franchise.

EDIT - I would add that Hamhuis (though not drafted by the Canucks) was 12th overall, and Josi was 38th.
- 1970vintage

Hamhuis is not a franchise DMan period