But they played spirited hockey and put up a decent fight nonetheless. If the Canucks can play that style of hockey then I will be fine with it regardless. And please note, I only said they started to contend - we'll see how things pan out this coming year. That said, they showed a lot of promise and I wouldn't be surprised if they continued to have success.
- Zogg

Hamilton will help

The problem is not the Sedins . The problem is everything else. Weber Sbisa and Clendennibg is an AHL lineup that he has listed as Canucks bottom 3 . Higgins Bonono Burrows as a 3 Rd line with Conacher and Vey on 4 th line

Making the playoffs would be a challenge let alone winning a game in the PO
- VANTEL

That's the major problem I see - the defense. That said, TEAM defense can often overcome that. Let's see what happens in the fall before we start making any sort of definitive prognostications.

But they played spirited hockey and put up a decent fight nonetheless. If the Canucks can play that style of hockey then I will be fine with it regardless. And please note, I only said they started to contend - we'll see how things pan out this coming year. That said, they showed a lot of promise and I wouldn't be surprised if they continued to have success.
- Zogg

Agree, all I want to see this year from the Canucks is compete, win or lose just compete.

That's the major problem I see - the defense. That said, TEAM defense can often overcome that. Let's see what happens in the fall before we start making any sort of definitive prognostications.
- Zogg

Not only the D . Lots of problems on O and in goals too.

It is unlikely that the roster you posted would be capable of making a cup run. Unfortunately, the Sedin's will never win a cup with the Canucks. We will only begin to push for the top of the West once they are gone. I really like them, but their contracts are massive and eat up so much of the team's cap space.

Anyone else watching the golf?

That Larsson contract is crazy. That's how you negotiate a contract for a young dman with potential.

Let's see the circle jerk gang rationalize that one.
- bloatedmosquito

I don't get it, are you saying the Canucks should have signed Sbisa to a 6 year contract to get better value?

The problem is not the Sedins . The problem is everything else. Weber Sbisa and Clendennibg is an AHL lineup that he has listed as Canucks bottom 3 . Higgins Bonono Burrows as a 3 Rd line with Conacher and Vey on 4 th line

Making the playoffs would be a challenge let alone winning a game in the PO
- VANTEL

Weber is a pretty good addition on the powerplay and he's a solid bottom pairing defense man. Clendening is still developing and was considered one of the blackhawks better defensive prospects before he was traded. He might be on the line between an ahl and an nhl defensemen but he will most likely continue to improve in the next two years. I initially said that the line up was dependent upon the continued development of the organization's prospects. Vey is an excellent fourth line center, 10 goals and 14 assists are about all you can hope for for that spot in the line up. I would say that 15 goals and around 35 points should be about where a third liner should be. Bonino, higgins, and burrows all meet that requirement with bonino on the border between a third and a second liner. As I said before shinkaruk could replace conacher.

Weber is a pretty good addition on the powerplay and he's a solid bottom pairing defense man. Clendening is still developing and was considered one of the blackhawks better defensive prospects before he was traded. He might be on the line between an ahl and an nhl defensemen but he will most likely continue to improve in the next two years. I initially said that the line up was dependent upon the continued development of the organization's prospects. Vey is an excellent fourth line center, 10 goals and 14 assists are about all you can hope for for that spot in the line up. I would say that 15 goals and around 35 points should be about where a third liner should be. Bonino, higgins, and burrows all meet that requirement with bonino on the border between a third and a second liner. As I said before shinkaruk could replace conacher.
- mncanucks

Everyone's entitled to an opinion. I don't like your line up at all , you do. Neither one of us will convince the other .

That's the major problem I see - the defense. That said, TEAM defense can often overcome that. Let's see what happens in the fall before we start making any sort of definitive prognostications.
- Zogg

Absolutely zogg.

The defense is what hartley exploited to beat ourselves. Down 3-1 they tightened up the holes and won the game 5....which shows right there it was defense, let alone watching the games that made it obvious. But hartley furtther adjusted his team and was able to squeak out game 6 win.....despite us outplaying them I other departments. Willie was too late.

Btw Anyone who absolutely believes it was calgarys heart that won is retarded. Not that they didnt have it, but so did we. So you think they didnt have heart for the 1st 2 games then suddenly did for games 3-4, 6? Um no. Heart never changed, tactics did.

Anyone else watching the golf?
- vancity787

No vancity nobody else is watching the golf

No vancity nobody else is watching the golf
- vancity787

Everyone's entitled to an opinion. I don't like your line up at all , you do. Neither one of us will convince the other .
- VANTEL

So what should the team do in your opinion?

Since we've been on this moving players out that was unfavorable to many, ive come to grips with the youngsters coming in. The more I watch them the more I think we need to start that now. Our cap situation also says we dont have much choice unless more is moved.

JV looks great and probably ready as benning stated. We know sven will be here as also stated provided a contract is in place. Grenier as the bubble guy. Corrado I like alot from video ive seen and games ive watched when he was called up. Very noticable all the time.

Kinda excited to see these guys in the lineup. And mccann too whenever hes ready. Tryamkin coming next year is exciting and maybe pedan, cedarholm. That looks pretty good.

Absolutely zogg.

The defense is what hartley exploited to beat ourselves. Down 3-1 they tightened up the holes and won the game 5....which shows right there it was defense, let alone watching the games that made it obvious. But hartley furtther adjusted his team and was able to squeak out game 6 win.....despite us outplaying them I other departments. Willie was too late.

Btw Anyone who absolutely believes it was calgarys heart that won is retarded. Not that they didnt have it, but so did we. So you think they didnt have heart for the 1st 2 games then suddenly did for games 3-4, 6? Um no. Heart never changed, tactics did.
- SMBDragon

I think it was motivation, which heart can contribute to. They played well as a team in Vancouver but there was a huge difference between them in Vancouver and in Calgary. The games in Vancouver were low scoring against the team because of how determined everybody was. If we had won the first game we probably would have won the series. Tactics did change but that what overwhelmingly stood out to me was their attitude. It made watching the last game difficult because it was apparent what they were actually capable of.

So what should the team do in your opinion?

Since we've been on this moving players out that was unfavorable to many, ive come to grips with the youngsters coming in. The more I watch them the more I think we need to start that now. Our cap situation also says we dont have much choice unless more is moved.

JV looks great and probably ready as benning stated. We know sven will be here as also stated provided a contract is in place. Grenier as the bubble guy. Corrado I like alot from video ive seen and games ive watched when he was called up. Very noticable all the time.

Kinda excited to see these guys in the lineup. And mccann too whenever hes ready. Tryamkin coming next year is exciting and maybe pedan, cedarholm. That looks pretty good.
- SMBDragon

The prospect pool is finally decent up front but Benning needs to actually start keeping his picks and trying to get more to really speed this rebuild up. Trading picks for expensive 4th liners isn't going to help.

So what should the team do in your opinion?

Since we've been on this moving players out that was unfavorable to many, ive come to grips with the youngsters coming in. The more I watch them the more I think we need to start that now. Our cap situation also says we dont have much choice unless more is moved.

JV looks great and probably ready as benning stated. We know sven will be here as also stated provided a contract is in place. Grenier as the bubble guy. Corrado I like alot from video ive seen and games ive watched when he was called up. Very noticable all the time.

Kinda excited to see these guys in the lineup. And mccann too whenever hes ready. Tryamkin coming next year is exciting and maybe pedan, cedarholm. That looks pretty good.
- SMBDragon

I have no problems moving players out. I don't even mind losing for a couple years.

My problem with his statement is he thinks the team he listed is a cup contender, or a Western finalist which is a joke.

The team he listed will be lucky to not finish bottom 10

I have no problems moving players out. I don't even mind losing for a couple years.

My problem with his statement is he thinks the team he listed is a cup contender, or a Western finalist which is a joke.

The team he listed will be lucky to not finish bottom 10
- VANTEL

That team is a pretty big improvement over what we had this year and we finished second in the division.

I have no problems moving players out. I don't even mind losing for a couple years.

My problem with his statement is he thinks the team he listed is a cup contender, or a Western finalist which is a joke.

The team he listed will be lucky to not finish bottom 10
- VANTEL

Why are you commenting on a Canucks page when you support the panthers?

I have no problems moving players out. I don't even mind losing for a couple years.

My problem with his statement is he thinks the team he listed is a cup contender, or a Western finalist which is a joke.

The team he listed will be lucky to not finish bottom 10
- VANTEL

I wasnt speaking of his post, I just wanted your opinion on what to do with the team from where we are. You having interesting ideas sometimes.

That team is a pretty big improvement over what we had this year and we finished second in the division.
- mncanucks

Shinkaruk is not making this team this year.


Markstrom< Lack

Clendenning < Bieksa but still in favour of the move

Prust < Kassian


Where did they improve?

I wasnt speaking of his post, I just wanted your opinion on what to do with the team from where we are. You having interesting ideas sometimes.
- SMBDragon

I think mostly they are going about it right.

I would replace Higgins with JV.
I would try to trade Vrbata this year for a D prospect.
Burrows move out at TDL
Hamhuis the same at TDL.

I think it was motivation, which heart can contribute to. They played well as a team in Vancouver but there was a huge difference between them in Vancouver and in Calgary. The games in Vancouver were low scoring against the team because of how determined everybody was. If we had won the first game we probably would have won the series. Tactics did change but that what overwhelmingly stood out to me was their attitude. It made watching the last game difficult because it was apparent what they were actually capable of.
- mncanucks

Canucks were motivated too. Sure flames gained momentum and thus some confidence as it went on. Particularly when they saw hartleys tactics win game 3 after getting so badly bent over in game 2 and 1 as well. It gave them confidence in the system and a chance to win. By game 6 they believed they could win. Yes theres that, but that doesnt exist without the strategies used by hartley to enable a win in games 3 4. So it always comes to that, the coach made tactical changes the players bought into it after it produced wins.

But inagree with you that if we'd won game 1 which we should have by all rights, we'd have won the series.

- Nucker101

You A-hole. Its not as boring as it looks. A canadians in the lead!

Shinkaruk is not making this team this year.
Prust Markstrom< Lack
Clendenning< Bieksa
Sven Vey< Richardson


Where did they improve?
- VANTEL

Did you notice that I said in two years and that the line up was dependent on continued development? Markstrom might not be that good right now as an nhl goalie but he can still improve. Bieksa was a veteran and clendening hasn't had a full season in the nhl yet. It depends upon where he is in two years, the same can be said of sven. Richardson wasn't a fourth line center he was a third line center. This would be more accurate:
bonino>richardson

The team is still continuing to grow and improve, you can't make assumptions about future success based upon the current skill set of younger players.

Shinkaruk is not making this team this year.
Prust Markstrom< Lack
Clendenning< Bieksa
Sven Vey< Richardson


Where did they improve?
- VANTEL

Well, one would hope that these players improve over their performance last year, so at the minimum that in itself is a positive and something to take into consideration when looking at the big picture. What would be the point otherwise? that is, if management felt these players would remain static or regress, why did they bother with signing them in the first place (Benning isn't THAT bad, despite some of his mistakes). At some point you have to have faith that EVERYONE (yes, even Sbisa, gawd forbid ) turns their game up a notch. You don't come into a season thinking that things will remain status quo. Every team looks for improvement from their roster players. We will just have to wait and see to what extent that happens.