I wouldnt be opposed to this. But I wouldnt like giving up a 2nd just to get rid of Scuds. But then again, he's got to go. Even if I'm not sold on Franson...Scuds gots to goooooooooooo
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I think it's worth it tbh.

Look at it this way, when we have to extend Perron and resign Maatta, guess who is blocking one of those? Scuds and his cap hit.

EDIT: Also Bennett and Plot will new deals if they impress, if not their cap hits can be used elsewhere.

Signing Franson on a 1yr allows him to walk after the season.

Keeping both Perron and Maatta is worth us losing a 2nd that we got for free. Remember, the third we traded was compensation. We would still get back maybe a 4th or something around there as well. Seems like we hit on Simon in the 5th round, a 4th is still valuable. That second rounder will basically be an early third rounder too.

Maybe we could sweeten the deal and give them Erixon as well. He'll most likely be lost to waivers if he's claimed any way.

Just did a quick twitter search on Scuderi, looks like a lot of people are calling for Scuds to be dealt to make room for Franson. I would only sign Franson on a 1yr deal due to Maatta needing extended after this year. It's out there that he's open to signing a 1yr 3.5~mil deal with a contender. I think we easily could get him at 3.5.

Problem is getting rid of Scuds. Maybe he would waive to NJ to be with Shero again? There's a few familiar faces there in management and he does want to stay on the East coast, but would he go to a rebuilding team? And if so, what is the cost? Scuds + ANA 2nd for a 4th or something?

Pretty cool to see even the dumbest of Pens fans have the right idea at least, although I did see someone calling for a 4yr 4mil deal... No way.
- Pens_Burgh

I don't think the Pens can unload Scuderi without either giving up too much or eating a lot of his salary. Then again, no way would I have thought the Pens could have pulled off yesterday's transactions either so who knows? If they unload Scuds and bring in Franson, it'll be the best roster we have ever seen since the 2009 team. Much more balanced than the 2013 team.

I don't think the Pens can unload Scuderi without either giving up too much or eating a lot of his salary. Then again, no way would I have thought the Pens could have pulled off yesterday's transactions either so who knows? If they unload Scuds and bring in Franson, it'll be the best roster we have ever seen since the 2009 team. Much more balanced than the 2013 team.
- jfkst1

See my last post above to see the reasoning to move scuds with that second we got yesterday, it would be a move for now and the future. I agree this would easily be the best roster since 09

See my last post above to see the reasoning to move scuds with that second we got yesterday, it would be a move for now and the future. I agree this would easily be the best roster since 09
- Pens_Burgh

You mean like this:https://www.hockeyscap.com/armchair-gm/team/24424

That lineup is straight up scary if healthy.

I think it's worth it tbh.

Look at it this way, when we have to extend Perron and resign Maatta, guess who is blocking one of those? Scuds and his cap hit.

EDIT: Also Bennett and Plot will new deals if they impress, if not their cap hits can be used elsewhere.

Signing Franson on a 1yr allows him to walk after the season.

Keeping both Perron and Maatta is worth us losing a 2nd that we got for free. Remember, the third we traded was compensation. We would still get back maybe a 4th or something around there as well. Seems like we hit on Simon in the 5th round, a 4th is still valuable. That second rounder will basically be an early third rounder too.

Maybe we could sweeten the deal and give them Erixon as well. He'll most likely be lost to waivers if he's claimed any way.
- Pens_Burgh

That is a stretch this kid hasn't even completed a training camp yet. I would not package Scuds with a 2nd for someone to take Scuds. Id rather eat 20% of his contract which is around 800k and puts him under 3 mil where I think teams would find him much more attractive

You mean like this:https://www.hockeyscap.com/armchair-gm/team/24424

That lineup is straight up scary if healthy.
- jfkst1

Yes sir, exactly right. Although I'm not sure if Lovejoy or Dumo would be 7th D, I guess that would be decided in camp. Either are fine with me playing 6th or the 7th D. We'd carry 7 D as well so they could always be switched.

I have a good feeling that if it's going to happen, it's going to happen this week.

That is a stretch this kid hasn't even completed a training camp yet. I would not package Scuds with a 2nd for someone to take Scuds. Id rather eat 20% of his contract which is around 800k and puts him under 3 mil where I think teams would find him much more attractive
- dbell646

I think the Pens would have to clear all of Scuderi's contract to sign Franson though. Or they would likely have to make another move. Not saying they should absolutely do it, but I do think it would help their roster in the immediate term.

That is a stretch this kid hasn't even completed a training camp yet. I would not package Scuds with a 2nd for someone to take Scuds. Id rather eat 20% of his contract which is around 800k and puts him under 3 mil where I think teams would find him much more attractive
- dbell646

I know that, but he will be starting in the AHL next year. Pretty good for a 5th rounder. He's been playing pro for a few years. I'm not saying he'll be in the NHL next year, or maybe even at all. Just a great pick for the 5th.

If we ate that much salary, not sure we'd have room for Franson. I have no clue what our cap is right now with all the different reports coming back. But I would rather keep the ANA 2nd too, but not sure if that would be possible.

The moves we've made this year and last point to all in yearly. That second was free. It's basically getting rid of Scuds for a 4th round pick. Ruth would more than likely easily do this trade if possible. It would be another sign and trade deal like yesterday that makes us that much more better as a team.

I know that, but he will be starting in the AHL next year. Pretty good for a 5th rounder. He's been playing pro for a few years. I'm not saying he'll be in the NHL next year, or maybe even at all. Just a great pick for the 5th.

If we ate that much salary, not sure we'd have room for Franson. I have no clue what our cap is right now with all the different reports coming back. But I would rather keep the ANA 2nd too, but not sure if that would be possible.

The moves we've made this year and last point to all in yearly. That second was free. It's basically getting rid of Scuds for a 4th round pick. Ruth would more than likely easily do this trade if possible. It would be another sign and trade deal like yesterday that makes us that much more better as a team.
- Pens_Burgh[/
I'd just like to keep our 1-3 picks going forward in less it's In a kessel type deal. I'm not all in on franson so signing him isn't as important to me as others

I'd just like to keep our 1-3 picks going forward in less it's In a kessel type deal. I'm not all in on franson so signing him isn't as important to me as others
- dbell646

I understand your reasoning, but we will be stuck with Scuds after the season when Maatta, Perron, BB and Plot need extended. That could be upwards on 12 million depending on how they pan out. Take away what they make now and your left with around a 5-6 million increase in cap from them alone. If Plot and BB don't pan out, we will need to sign others or make call ups, which could still be around the cap we are spending now on those two.

I don't think we can move Scuds unless we overpay. We can't afford to keep salary on him either. Buyout or retention.

Anyway you look at it, Scuds and Kunitz will not be on the roster after this next season.

Kunitz can be moved for a pick. There is your replacement pick from the second we'd trade. May be another late second, or early third, but with the fourth we'd get I'd be fine with it. We got what's going to be a late second rounder yesterday for a free pick we received as compensation.

It's more than just getting Franson who is a big upgrade from Scuds, it's planning for the future as well. Seems like a win-win for me. Get an even better shot at the Cup, plus retain that talent throughout the future.

The bad news for Pittsburgh is that Vancouver found a GM who put more value into analytics than on impact on game.

Bonino - clearly has some offensive skill. It shows in the stats. The problem is, he brings little to the game. After a hot first month or so, his footspeed caught up to him and he quickly became filler. Good enough possession/offense numbers for a team with no real second line, able to provide an acceptable amount of D, but never a driver of anything. Creativity and passion were missing, with the physical side of a cardboard box that had been left in the lake far too long. Mid way through the season Vancouver moved their top RW (Vrbata) onto his line in order to spark it. Turn out Burrows moving back to Sedins added more value than what they lost by moving Vrbata down. While Vrbata remained dangerous, Bonino never did find his scoring again. Oh, and dont let him take faceoffs - he sucks.

Clendenning - Puck moving D means he can pass. It does not mean he knows how to move himself. The skill set is there, but the feet aren't. by moving Bieska and not re-signing Stanton, Clendenning had moved up to 8th on a very young D squad. With having to be waived to head back to the AHL, he either needs to make the team. I expect Pittsburgh will end up waiving him and hope that he doesn't get picked up. Then they can give him some skating lessons. He he can get the feet moving, he can be a decent 5-6.

Bottom line - neither will likely be game changers in Pittsburg. But then, neither was Sutter.

Vancouver gains the speed, better defensive awareness and faceoffs. All assets that add value to the team as it exists right now. His role will be to help bring along the youngsters and be core to the mid 6 forwards. For Vancouver this is a WIN - they have a hole that Sutter can fill and grow in.

I am not sure what Bonino's role will be in Pitts. Analystics will always looks lilke he should be 2C level but skating will always hold him back. Never will be strong 3C due to skating again and only average defensive awareness. If they can find the right mix, he will work, but it will be a tough find. For Pittsburgh, potential is there for both players but neither is a clear win. But they were able to sign Fehr and can waive Clendenning. Based on that this is a clear WIN for Pittsburgh. They got the best player - Fehr.

The bad news for Pittsburgh is that Vancouver found a GM who put more value into analytics than on impact on game.

- Lostinarink

huh? If their GM valued analytics he wouldnt have taken Sutter.

I also dont understand how any of what happened yesterday is bad news.

huh? If their GM valued analytics he wouldnt have taken Sutter.

I also dont understand how any of what happened yesterday is bad news.
- thickman1178

He is talking about Rutherford, saying that GMJR values analytics over impact to the game. He clearly doesn't like Bonino and has lofty expectations for Sutter. Best of luck to him.

The real question nobody has asked/answered: Has hardnosed jumped off a bridge now that his 21 goal golden boy who he defended to the death has been dealt, and basically tarred and feathered publicly?

He is talking about Rutherford, saying that GMJR values analytics over impact to the game. He clearly doesn't like Bonino and has lofty expectations for Sutter. Best of luck to him.
- PensFan1103

Really dont have a feel for Sutter - I will wait to see want is impact on the team will be.

What I expect is:

1) regarding Clendenning is that I expect Pittsburg will eventually want him in the AHL, thus will have to expose him to waivers.
2) Bonino has a good skill set but there are some key pieces missing in the tool box. Pittsburg fans are expecting the results to match the analytics. History says that the analytics have been inflated by how Bones was used. (his use was similar to Cody Hodgson in Vancouver) Bones is not a bad player, he has decent offense and livable defense. Problem is he will never be the driver, ony the gas jockey that keeps the car on the road until the next line comes out. I expect he will be gone in 2 years for someone that brings a degree of spark.