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ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Jul 29 @ 7:45 PM ET
Foundation piece.
- pker2theend


you got possibly the better player... despite what some here say... and if the contract is for less for longer... 3.5 for 5 or something it will probably be ok. but dont pay him like a second line center for the love of god
nh4442
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @MyDaddysInTheAF, PA
Joined: 05.28.2010

Jul 29 @ 7:45 PM ET
Can't even get into a good bicker with Pens fans these days, you guys are all in great moods because of the sweet deals your GM is pulling off.
- wolfhounds

ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Jul 29 @ 7:47 PM ET
Can't even get into a good bicker with Pens fans these days, you guys are all in great moods because of the sweet deals your GM is pulling off.
- wolfhounds


GMJR FAILED TO SIGN GIBBONS! WTF! ...

seriously... 4.5 for couts? someone just put all there money on 1-18.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 29 @ 7:49 PM ET
GMJR FAILED TO SIGN GIBBONS! WTF! ...

seriously... 4.5 for couts? someone just put all there money on 1-18.

- ChrisMS

Still don't think that's a terrible contract moving forward. Courts could still round out his offensive game if utilized slightly differently
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Jul 29 @ 7:53 PM ET
Still don't think that's a terrible contract moving forward. Courts could still round out his offensive game if utilized slightly differently
- Victoro311


thats why I said its about a 1 in three gamble. could be worse... but could bomb
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jul 29 @ 8:00 PM ET
Still don't think that's a terrible contract moving forward. Courts could still round out his offensive game if utilized slightly differently
- Victoro311


It's def a gamble. Kid kills it defensively. His hands and skating needs to improve.
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Jul 29 @ 8:04 PM ET
Still don't think that's a terrible contract moving forward. Courts could still round out his offensive game if utilized slightly differently
- Victoro311


bottoms up to indirect responses!
acdc1206
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Fire Sullivan, PA
Joined: 06.13.2007

Jul 29 @ 8:53 PM ET
#62 in points per 60

http://stats.hockeyanalys...p=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC


edit: Adams 326 out of 330

- YouMeAndDupuis9


But #1 in Grinders heart!
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jul 29 @ 9:16 PM ET
It's def a gamble. Kid kills it defensively. His hands and skating needs to improve.
- madmike71


Couturier reminds me a lot of Staal. Very good defensively, relatively limited offensively. He can handle the 2C role but is best as a 3C. Even if he stays at his current level, it won't be a terrible contract.
sushi
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 01.05.2007

Jul 29 @ 9:58 PM ET
everything is easy when you're dealing with a stupid gm
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jul 29 @ 10:13 PM ET
everything is easy when you're dealing with a stupid gm
- sushi


We've had our turn!
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jul 29 @ 10:24 PM ET
However, my overriding impression from watching Bonino all season was that he wasn't very strong on the puck. It seemed like he could be easily outmuscled in one-on-one situations, and his weakness in the face-off circle was probably the most visible downgrade from the Ryan Kesler days on the Canucks' second line.

The above quote is the Nucks blogger. Let's hope we don't expect too much & not be disappointed. Hopefully Bonino's confidence playing with the Pens will be high & give him the opportunity to succeed to our lofty HB standards.

Safe to say unless injury plagued again, he won't be our 2C.


Edit: Oh (frank) it - he's going to be our 2C .
Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

Jul 29 @ 10:29 PM ET
I see
Perron Crosby Kessel
Plotnikov Malkin Hornqvist
Kunitz Bonino Dupuis
Sheary Sundqvist Bennett
Wilson/Rust

I can see plot and kuni switching
I see Fehr taking over on 3rd/4th line wing in dec, not center
Farnham will not play nhl
dupuis being 50% healthy

but of course injuries and player production changes everything... is it October yet? lol

- nh4442



Hey Air Force guy!

I love the lines! IF everyone stays healthy we're in for an awesome season. My favorite years were '92 and '93, '01 was and is close third. Some optimism has to enter this board eventually and this is a good year for it.

Happy flying!
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 29 @ 11:10 PM ET
I understand his underlying numbers were pretty bad, but 21 goals is 21 goals.

Those aren't your average bottom 6 numbers. He also had one of the lowest offensive zone start % of any player on the roster.

madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jul 29 @ 11:14 PM ET
Couturier reminds me a lot of Staal. Very good defensively, relatively limited offensively. He can handle the 2C role but is best as a 3C. Even if he stays at his current level, it won't be a terrible contract.
- jfkst1


He does. Overall I think Staal has a little better skill set.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jul 29 @ 11:19 PM ET
I understand his underlying numbers were pretty bad, but 21 goals is 21 goals.

Those aren't your average bottom 6 numbers. He also had one of the lowest offensive zone start % of any player on the roster.

- sbroads24


And 33 points is 33 points. His career high is 40 points as a 2C for Carolina. Paying him anymore than he is already making is going to be a major mistake.

Here are some good takes on the trade: http://canucksarmy.com/20...o-much-for-brandon-sutter

and re-signing Sutter: http://canucksarmy.com/20...on-sutter-s-next-contract
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jul 29 @ 11:41 PM ET

Safe to say unless injury plagued again, he won't be our 2C.


Edit: Oh (frank) it - he's going to be our 2C .

- Aussiepenguin


nh4442
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @MyDaddysInTheAF, PA
Joined: 05.28.2010

Jul 29 @ 11:47 PM ET

- Tojo.

Hey pens have fehr sundqvist to fall back on too
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jul 29 @ 11:53 PM ET
With all the movement towards speed and skill, I found this kind of interesting. Though I wonder where they rank in the NHL now..

The Pens (with an average weight of 199.6 pounds) were the 25th heaviest team in the NHL to start the 2014-15 season. That was before deadline deals stripped away the team’s two biggest players—Robert Bortuzzo and Simon Despres.

Jim Rutherford noticed. Since June 8, the Pens GM added several players who tip the scales at over 200 pounds. Bulky newcomers Tyler Biggs (6-3, 224), Adam Krause (6-3, 220), Ty Loney (6-4, 208), and Sergei Plotnikov (6-2, 205) join 2012 draftee Oskar Sundqvist (6-3, 209) in the Big and Tall forward department. Tim Erixon (6-3, 199) adds size to the backline. Hard-nosed defender Steve Oleksy—an under-the-radar pickup—plays larger than his 190 pounds.

Only Sundqvist and the intriguing Plotnikov are expected to compete for regular duty. Yet the muscle-building spree marks a dramatic departure from the Pens’ recent paradigm, when mites such as Chris Conner, Andrew Ebbett, and Brian Gibbons dominated the depth chart
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jul 29 @ 11:57 PM ET
With all the movement towards speed and skill, I found this kind of interesting. Though I wonder where they rank in the NHL now..

The Pens (with an average weight of 199.6 pounds) were the 25th heaviest team in the NHL to start the 2014-15 season. That was before deadline deals stripped away the team’s two biggest players—Robert Bortuzzo and Simon Despres.

Jim Rutherford noticed. Since June 8, the Pens GM added several players who tip the scales at over 200 pounds. Bulky newcomers Tyler Biggs (6-3, 224), Adam Krause (6-3, 220), Ty Loney (6-4, 208), and Sergei Plotnikov (6-2, 205) join 2012 draftee Oskar Sundqvist (6-3, 209) in the Big and Tall forward department. Tim Erixon (6-3, 199) adds size to the backline. Hard-nosed defender Steve Oleksy—an under-the-radar pickup—plays larger than his 190 pounds.

Only Sundqvist and the intriguing Plotnikov are expected to compete for regular duty. Yet the muscle-building spree marks a dramatic departure from the Pens’ recent paradigm, when mites such as Chris Conner, Andrew Ebbett, and Brian Gibbons dominated the depth chart

- YouMeAndDupuis9



Still want to see Sheary get a look this season. I'm glad we're finally heading in the right direction however. I've been preaching "bigger bodies" for years. Of course they need to be able to play....
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 29 @ 11:59 PM ET
At the end of the day the Pens r not better.
Bonino is am ok 2LC but hurts u as 3LC.
Don't see him as a C on top 2 lines.
Fire JR asap
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jul 30 @ 12:07 AM ET
At the end of the day the Pens r not better.
Bonino is am ok 2LC but hurts u as 3LC.
Don't see him as a C on top 2 lines.
Fire JR asap

- Nighthawk


You don't see him taking Malkin's or Crosby's spots? Great prediction
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jul 30 @ 12:08 AM ET
Here is a good season review on Bonino:http://canucksarmy.com/20...ear-in-review-nick-bonino

I'm so relieved to not have to watch Sutter stumble, bumble, and fumble around in a Pens uniform anymore.
nh4442
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @MyDaddysInTheAF, PA
Joined: 05.28.2010

Jul 30 @ 12:10 AM ET
At the end of the day the Pens r not better.
Bonino is am ok 2LC but hurts u as 3LC.
Don't see him as a C on top 2 lines.
Fire JR asap

- Nighthawk

Have fun with sutter

You do know we have this 2nd line Center named Malkin and 1st line center named Crosby right so why even comment on him as a top 2 center? also pens have 3rd line wingers named kunitz, Dupuis, or Plotnikov or even Perron...so I think Bonino on the 3rd line will do a little bit better than when on a 2nd line in Van
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jul 30 @ 12:25 AM ET
I understand his underlying numbers were pretty bad, but 21 goals is 21 goals.

Those aren't your average bottom 6 numbers. He also had one of the lowest offensive zone start % of any player on the roster.

- sbroads24


13 at even strength
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