So... you'd rather he have no experience, or only AHL experience, vs KHL and strong showing at the Worlds?

You're an idiot right? You can't be taking your own posts seriously at this point.
- Guile

Rather have an NHL guy who played in a system that didn't fit him than someone who never played on NHL ice and only put up points when he played with the best Russian hockey players in the world. Putting way too much stock into his performance at one tournament. The top scorers were a complete joke. But hey they might be amazing in an 82 game season given the showcase they put on in 10
games

He is on a 2 way.... but he is is waiver eligible which is part of the reason Chicago dealt him.
- SMP8719

Ok. So he's on a 2-way that pays him differently but he has to go through waivers due to the time he's been in the NHL?

You learn a new thing everyday. My ignorance doesn't affect my reading ability on the Nucks blog, HB facts are still IT . So Clendening isn't Harro's replacement unless he stays in the AHL - sorry Gunner you're back in the dog house son!

So when he gets traded & is playing in the NHL, is he considered a NHL player & needs to clear waivers or do we nominate where he starts?

One-way v. Two-way Contracts

The rules above are the complete rules for determining whether a player has to pass through Regular Waivers. There is a widely-held misconception that whether the player has a one or two-way contract has an effect on waiver status. The only thing a one-way or a two-way contract signifies is what the player is paid. A player on a two-way contract is paid one salary in the NHL and a lesser salary in the AHL. A player on a one-way contract is paid the same whether he is playing in the NHL or AHL.

A player's AHL salary determined whether a player was eligible for re-entry waivers, but with those a thing of the past, the type of contract has absolutely no bearing on the NHL waiver process, no matter how it works in EA Sport's NHL series of video games.
- SMP8719

Thanks mate - clear as mud.

Who says you don't learn anything on HB?

ya both just turned 10, my wife's dog went day 2 of my deployment, her and kids were wrecked and me of course.. my dog went last Thursday with a tumor in his stomach that built up in a 3 week time frame... I think he was depressed bc other dog died and we moved last month so he had to be kenneled for like 23 days..

So I will come home to a new house, and no pets... and a walking talking baby lol... going to be weird

edit: thanks everyone for the condolences, sorry to bring the blog down haha
- nh4442

Very harsh losing mans best friend. Not sure who is hurt the most the kids or adults. My cattle dog was a champion & it took me 9 years before I got another dog due to not wanting to upset my kids (or me), too much when she leaves us.

Hey where is Chris? Still on the cans champion??

Just want to one more time that I think this is an excellent blog. It's clarity and information really nail it. Thanks Gunner.

Just realized Giroux and Voracek basically make the same as Sid and Geno

Just realized Giroux and Voracek basically make the same as Sid and Geno
- Pens_Burgh

I think it's close to 1.5 mill less, but when you put up 80+ points and are legit star two way players, you get paid.

I think it's close to 1.5 mill less, but when you put up 80+ points and are legit star two way players, you get paid.
- usethe1-2-2

I think the length of Sid's deal also distorts his cap hit. Those guys are getting market rate. You could argue Couturier got too much, but not critically over-paid if he doesn't progress.

Just realized Giroux and Voracek basically make the same as Sid and Geno
- Pens_Burgh

Crosby's contract isn't really a fair comparison as it was signed on the last CBA. Kinda like comparing Duncan Keith's contract to other dmen.

Just realized Giroux and Voracek basically make the same as Sid and Geno
- Pens_Burgh

Lots of it comes from the difference between the contracts from the previous CBA VS the current one.

Crosby will earn 12M this next season. Then it drops down to 10.9 and eventually all the way down to 3M. There is no doubt that Sid's contract is front loaded (with last 3 years being at 3M) and the fact that there was not limit on the # of years allow to soften the high value during the first few years.

As for Giroux/Voracek, the max term was limited at 8 years and there can't be an increase/decrease of salary as high as we see with the previous CBA contracts. Will they be worth it at that price during the 6-8th years? Maybe not, but it's the only way the players get their share of money while they are worth it without putting too much strain on their team's cap. Since they can't go from 10M to 5M in 2-3 contract years, they have to settle on a lower salary early but that will remain steady over the 8 years even if they aren't worth that price at the end of their contract.

Comparing Giroux/Voracek contracts to Sid's is unfair IMO, it would be better to compare them with Geno's as he is also a new CBA contract. His real salary (and cap hit) is 9.5 M until 2022. Will he still be worth 9.5M at 34-35 years old? I doubt it, but that's the price to pay to have Malkin play for us for that long at a reasonable cost right now.

Crosby's contract isn't really a fair comparison as it was signed on the last CBA. Kinda like comparing Duncan Keith's contract to other dmen.
- jfkst1

Yeah I know that. Just an observation I made.

Thank god their team is weighed down with poopty contracts elsewhere

Lots of it comes from the difference between the contracts from the previous CBA VS the current one.

Crosby will earn 12M this next season. Then it drops down to 10.9 and eventually all the way down to 3M. There is no doubt that Sid's contract is front loaded (with last 3 years being at 3M) and the fact that there was not limit on the # of years allow to soften the high value during the first few years.

As for Giroux/Voracek, the max term was limited at 8 years and there can't be an increase/decrease of salary as high as we see with the previous CBA contracts. Will they be worth it at that price during the 6-8th years? Maybe not, but it's the only way the players get their share of money while they are worth it without putting too much strain on their team's cap. Since they can't go from 10M to 5M in 2-3 contract years, they have to settle on a lower salary early but that will remain steady over the 8 years even if they aren't worth that price at the end of their contract.

Comparing Giroux/Voracek contracts to Sid's is unfair IMO, it would be better to compare them with Geno's as he is also a new CBA contract. His real salary (and cap hit) is 9.5 M until 2022. Will he still be worth 9.5M at 34-35 years old? I doubt it, but that's the price to pay to have Malkin play for us for that long at a reasonable cost right now.
- lpstjg

If the Pens are smart, Malkin shouldn't be playing with them until 35. Go for a cup the next two years, then trade him to replenish the system. JMO.

Yeah I know that. Just an observation I made.

Thank god their team is weighed down with poopty contracts elsewhere
- Pens_Burgh

If you drop MacDonald, Vinny, and Umberger you could have one wicked lineup with their top end talent at forward. They have a real strong goaltender too. But their bottom half and their D

If the Pens are smart, Malkin shouldn't be playing with them until 35. Go for a cup the next two years, then trade him to replenish the system. JMO.
- madmike71

Youre gonna pull this on Geno's birthday!?

Youre gonna pull this on Geno's birthday!?
- usethe1-2-2

He's probably slugging shots with Putin right now. Too busy to read this blog.

If you drop MacDonald, Vinny, and Umberger you could have one wicked lineup with their top end talent at forward. They have a real strong goaltender too. But their bottom half and their D
- usethe1-2-2

Yeah, they are pretty much screwed. They aren't unloading Vinny or MacDonald anytime soon without attaching some really valuable picks/prospects with them. Holmgren destroyed that team. I wish he were still their GM.

If the Pens are smart, Malkin shouldn't be playing with them until 35. Go for a cup the next two years, then trade him to replenish the system. JMO.
- madmike71

Only problem with that is that Geno has to want a trade and by all accounts he likes it in the Burgh and sees himself playing his whole career there.

If you drop MacDonald, Vinny, and Umberger you could have one wicked lineup with their top end talent at forward. They have a real strong goaltender too. But their bottom half and their D
- usethe1-2-2

Exactly. Hopefully by the time they fix those things G and V won't be worth their contracts

If the Pens are smart, Malkin shouldn't be playing with them until 35. Go for a cup the next two years, then trade him to replenish the system. JMO.
- madmike71

Letang's is up 2021-22 (34)
Kessel's is up 2021-22 (33)
Geno's is up 2021-22 (35)
Sid's is up 2024-25 (36)

If the GM of our team then is smart, 58, 81 and 71 should be shipped off after the 2020-21 season. We could probably retain 50% as we won't be competing, sell to the highest bidder that offers the best package of picks/prospects. This gives us 5 seasons of competing for the Cup

Sid will be resigned when his deal is up without a doubt. That's if he doesn't retire when it's up. He can then play with the next greatest player in his final year like 66 did

Only problem with that is that Geno has to want a trade and by all accounts he likes it in the Burgh and sees himself playing his whole career there.
- lpstjg

Well, yes you'd have to get him to waive, but if you're sending him to a good situation I thinks it's likely he accepts. A team that is ready to contend for several years.

Well, yes you'd have to get him to waive, but if you're sending him to a good situation I thinks it's likely he accepts. A team that is ready to contend for several years.
- madmike71

I don't see Geno leaving. Ever to be honest. I think he will be here until he is ready to retire. Him, Sid, and Letang retire Pens IMO. Letang because he will retire young from health issues. Sid and Geno because they are the franchise.

I think the length of Sid's deal also distorts his cap hit. Those guys are getting market rate. You could argue Couturier got too much, but not critically over-paid if he doesn't progress.
- madmike71

Even if Couturier didn't progress offensively and stayed the player he is now, he'd get that kind money on the UFA open market. I'll take the cap hit to buy those UFA years every day of the week.

Lots of it comes from the difference between the contracts from the previous CBA VS the current one.

Crosby will earn 12M this next season. Then it drops down to 10.9 and eventually all the way down to 3M. There is no doubt that Sid's contract is front loaded (with last 3 years being at 3M) and the fact that there was not limit on the # of years allow to soften the high value during the first few years.

As for Giroux/Voracek, the max term was limited at 8 years and there can't be an increase/decrease of salary as high as we see with the previous CBA contracts. Will they be worth it at that price during the 6-8th years? Maybe not, but it's the only way the players get their share of money while they are worth it without putting too much strain on their team's cap. Since they can't go from 10M to 5M in 2-3 contract years, they have to settle on a lower salary early but that will remain steady over the 8 years even if they aren't worth that price at the end of their contract.

Comparing Giroux/Voracek contracts to Sid's is unfair IMO, it would be better to compare them with Geno's as he is also a new CBA contract. His real salary (and cap hit) is 9.5 M until 2022. Will he still be worth 9.5M at 34-35 years old? I doubt it, but that's the price to pay to have Malkin play for us for that long at a reasonable cost right now.
- lpstjg

tbh I think all four players will still be a decent value for their cap hits on the tail end of their contracts. Their primes will be behind them, but they'll still have a bit of juice left in the tank.

I think you hit the nail on the head though, in regards to Sid's old CBA contract versus the new CBA contracts.

tbh I think all four players will still be a decent value for their cap hits on the tail end of their contracts. Their primes will be behind them, but they'll still have a bit of juice left in the tank.

I think you hit the nail on the head though, in regards to Sid's old CBA contract versus the new CBA contracts.
- BulliesPhan87

Compared to what Stamkos will sign either this year or next summer, all of these contracts will look good.