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Pens_Burgh
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 07.09.2015

Jul 31 @ 11:21 AM ET
Compared to what Stamkos will sign either this year or next summer, all of these contracts will look good.
- cap1681


I think he hits 10.5-11+..

His agent will point to Toews' deal first. Stamkos has better numbers.
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Jul 31 @ 11:24 AM ET
I think he hits 10.5-11+..

His agent will point to Toews' deal first. Stamkos has better numbers.

- Pens_Burgh


I think he gets 96M over 8 years...

1st 12M player in the Salary Cap era.
Pens_Burgh
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 07.09.2015

Jul 31 @ 11:29 AM ET
I think he gets 96M over 8 years...

1st 12M player in the Salary Cap era.

- cap1681


Definitely could see it.

Everyone from 4th liners to the elite are getting paid more and more each year. Hello lockout.

BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 31 @ 11:31 AM ET
Compared to what Stamkos will sign either this year or next summer, all of these contracts will look good.
- cap1681

Absolutely, the top end contracts are going to keep getting bigger and bigger.
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Jul 31 @ 11:43 AM ET
Definitely could see it.

Everyone from 4th liners to the elite are getting paid more and more each year. Hello lockout.

- Pens_Burgh


Shockingly, there weren't any "what the f#@k" contracts this summer in free agency.

Everybody thought Beleskey was going to get 5M+, he signed for 3.8M

Same with Frolik, he signed for 4.3M

Only one i can think of was Detroit signing Green, but even then, it wasn't horrible.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 31 @ 11:48 AM ET
Shockingly, there weren't any "what the f#@k" contracts this summer in free agency.

Everybody thought Beleskey was going to get 5M+, he signed for 3.8M

Same with Frolik, he signed for 4.3M

Only one i can think of was Detroit signing Green, but even then, it wasn't horrible.

- cap1681

I think we're beginning to see a squeeze on the non-top end contracts. I can see guys in the middle range kind of stagnating while the Stamkoses, Voraceks, and Toewses of the league keep getting more expensive.

As for another lockout (edit: speaking in general here, not directing this at you), let's not act like these contracts are a signal of that. The signal for the next lockout was going two for two on locking out after the last two CBAs expired.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 31 @ 11:49 AM ET
I think he hits 10.5-11+..

His agent will point to Toews' deal first. Stamkos has better numbers.

- Pens_Burgh


But he's not clutch
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 31 @ 11:53 AM ET
Definitely could see it.

Everyone from 4th liners to the elite are getting paid more and more each year. Hello lockout.

- Pens_Burgh

Honestly, the NHL should just implement maximum contracts like they do in the NBA. Kinda poopty not being able to lock players up who you want to lock up and want to be locked up, but it prevents a bigger problem.
Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

Jul 31 @ 11:54 AM ET
I think we're beginning to see a squeeze on the non-top end contracts. I can see guys in the middle range kind of stagnating while the Stamkoses, Voraceks, and Toewses of the league keep getting more expensive.

As for another lockout (edit: speaking in general here, not directing this at you), let's not act like these contracts are a signal of that. The signal for the next lockout was going two for two on locking out after the last two CBAs expired.

- BulliesPhan87


If the league is in fact going to expand, there won't be a lockout anytime soon. Way too much money on the line!
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 31 @ 11:57 AM ET
If the league is in fact going to expand, there won't be a lockout anytime soon. Way too much money on the line!
- Topshelf Mountain

they'll expand, maybe extend the CBA a year or two, then lockout again. I'd be pretty surprised if we don't see another lockout.
Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

Jul 31 @ 12:07 PM ET
they'll expand, maybe extend the CBA a year or two, then lockout again. I'd be pretty surprised if we don't see another lockout.
- BulliesPhan87


After expansion, yes. But the lockout within a couple years suggestion is ridiculous. (Not aimed at you, although I couldn't give a rats ass if you were offended)
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 31 @ 12:12 PM ET
After expansion, yes. But the lockout within a couple years suggestion is ridiculous. (Not aimed at you, although I couldn't give a rats ass if you were offended)
- Topshelf Mountain

woah, badass alert
usethe1-2-2
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 03.02.2014

Jul 31 @ 12:40 PM ET
Hey, we got Kessel and traded Sutter this summer and you female dogs are franking talking lockout???? Come on. We are one thread of Scuderi bashing away before he is a Devil. We can do this!
Pens_Burgh
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 07.09.2015

Jul 31 @ 12:41 PM ET
But he's not clutch
- Victoro311




Chicago fans would point to Toew's three Cups and be like nobody deserves this much, Toews is the best player in the NHL
jjaxxon
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: MA
Joined: 04.11.2015

Jul 31 @ 12:42 PM ET
http://www.theprovince.co...ucks/11255655/story.html?

This article... the comments. So much disappointment ahead. It's like a friend who bought a new car. They're really happy, but you know the car's not very good and in a few months they're going to hate it.

Never hated Sutter, always hoped he'd do well, but the fancy stats, not-so-fancy stats, and eye tests seem to agree that he's just not very good. The only number that isn't bad is goal total last season, which I'm guessing GMJR mentioned 3 or 4 times per minute during trade discussions (while also probably throwing out "2nd line caliber" and "stuck behind 87 and 71" multiple times as well).
Pens_Burgh
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 07.09.2015

Jul 31 @ 12:44 PM ET
Shockingly, there weren't any "what the f#@k" contracts this summer in free agency.

Everybody thought Beleskey was going to get 5M+, he signed for 3.8M

Same with Frolik, he signed for 4.3M

Only one i can think of was Detroit signing Green, but even then, it wasn't horrible.

- cap1681


Yeah I think so too. Crazy how Franson and Hoff are still out there. I'd bet they were looking for too much and nobody offered it so they got skipped over and Green etc. were signed instead.

Green's deal wasn't terrrible. Detroit has been after that RHD for what seems like forever, I bet they didn't have a problem tossing him a few extra bucks.
usethe1-2-2
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 03.02.2014

Jul 31 @ 12:47 PM ET
Yeah I think so too. Crazy how Franson and Hoff are still out there. I'd bet they were looking for too much and nobody offered it so they got skipped over and Green etc. were signed instead.

Green's deal wasn't terrrible. Detroit has been after that RHD for what seems like forever, I bet they didn't have a problem tossing him a few extra bucks.

- Pens_Burgh

From what TSN was saying it is term. Franson wants 3 years minimum.
Ehrhoff wants to purely go to a contender, but that means waiting for a contender to clear cap space. He also wants to be the PP go to guy. Probably why he won't return here.
Pens_Burgh
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 07.09.2015

Jul 31 @ 12:50 PM ET
http://www.theprovince.com/sports/hockey/canucks-hockey/Gallagher+Sutter+deal+best+recent+Canucks/11255655/story.html?

This article... the comments. So much disappointment ahead. It's like a friend who bought a new car. They're really happy, but you know the car's not very good and in a few months they're going to hate it.

Never hated Sutter, always hoped he'd do well, but the fancy stats, not-so-fancy stats, and eye tests seem to agree that he's just not very good. The only number that isn't bad is goal total last season, which I'm guessing GMJR mentioned 3 or 4 times per minute during trade discussions (while also probably throwing out "2nd line caliber" and "stuck behind 87 and 71" multiple times as well).

- jjaxxon


Oh my lanta...


Pens_Burgh
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 07.09.2015

Jul 31 @ 12:52 PM ET
From what TSN was saying it is term. Franson wants 3 years minimum.
Ehrhoff wants to purely go to a contender, but that means waiting for a contender to clear cap space. He also wants to be the PP go to guy. Probably why he won't return here.

- usethe1-2-2


I've heard Franson was open to a deal like Hoff took last year. 3.5-4 for a 1yr on a contender, then cash in. Honestly that's probably one of his only options at this point.
usethe1-2-2
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 03.02.2014

Jul 31 @ 12:56 PM ET
I've heard Franson was open to a deal like Hoff took last year. 3.5-4 for a 1yr on a contender, then cash in. Honestly that's probably one of his only options at this point.
- Pens_Burgh

I didn't hear TBH. I kept hearing he was sick of moving around and wanted stability.
Pens_Burgh
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 07.09.2015

Jul 31 @ 1:02 PM ET
I didn't hear TBH. I kept hearing he was sick of moving around and wanted stability.
- usethe1-2-2


It's been floated around the interwebz, don't know where it started.

Poor baby. I'd move every year to get payed millions to play hockey
Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

Jul 31 @ 1:52 PM ET
woah, badass alert
- BulliesPhan87


Haha! I've been around a bit, just f'n with you like you do to others.
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