Ignoring any of the analytics stuff, not leaving an "out" option would be my biggest issue with it as a Canucks fan. If Sutter came in on his last year and disappointed, maybe they could still move him at the deadline and recoup assets. But now with this contract, they are stuck. If he doesn't fit with the team/coach/system/etc. they have zero recourse.
- jfkst1

Bieksa, Kesler, Luongo were all traded from that team and they all had a NTC. Zero recourse is a bit of an exaggeration.

Bieksa, Kesler, Luongo were all traded from that team and they all had a NTC. Zero recourse is a bit of an exaggeration.
- nelson911

Luongo actually didn't have a full NTC, it was just limited to only a handful of teams. Besides, all those players wanted to leave too. Sutter has been traded twice in three years. He also deliberately negotiated that NTC into his contract otherwise it wouldn't have been effective immediately which is highly unusual. Even if he were willing to be moved, he will have complete control over where he goes so the return isn't likely to be good. Best case scenario, they are stuck with him for at least the next three years as opposed to waiting into the season to see if he is a good fit.

Luongo actually didn't have a full NTC, it was just limited to only a handful of teams. Besides, all those players wanted to leave too. Sutter has been traded twice in three years. He also deliberately negotiated that NTC into his contract otherwise it wouldn't have been effective immediately which is highly unusual. Even if he were willing to be moved, he will have complete control over where he goes so the return isn't likely to be good. Best case scenario, they are stuck with him for at least the next three years as opposed to waiting into the season to see if he is a good fit.
- jfkst1

The canucks made Luongo move with their careless actions,.they can repeat that just as easily with Sutter. Luongo had the immovable contract and he was moved. Bieksa was asked to go, he easily would've retired a Canuck. Kesler is just a douche... The fact is all players with tons of different reasons and clauses and contracts can be moved. There is never zero recourse.

Unfortunately I'm so busy that I can't come on here every day. Did you guys already discuss this Ek-esque rumour? http://thehockeypress.spo...o-montreal-canadiens.html
It says Kunitz and a 4th for Tom Gilbert, Torey Mitchell, Joonas Nattien(whoever that is) and a third. I think I like it. It's not terrible anyways. What do you think?
- Dcoms

This trade sucks. Gilbert is not a very good player. Somehow I thought You were talking about John Mitchell and I Was interested but Torrey is not good.

I'd rather keep Kunitz

The canucks made Luongo move with their careless actions,.they can repeat that just as easily with Sutter. Luongo had the immovable contract and he was moved. Bieksa was asked to go, he easily would've retired a Canuck. Kesler is just a douche... The fact is all players with tons of different reasons and clauses and contracts can be moved. There is never zero recourse.
- nelson911

I disagree, but I doubt it matters. After this season, Sutter will probably be considered almost as unmovable as Scuderi.

Not sure if it was discussed at all. I'm not on here enough to know.
But Nattinen is just AHL depth. That trade doesn't improve us much
- Danny_Devito

I disagree. It gives us a legit replacement for Suckjoy and gives us some forward depth and toughness in Mitchell and an AHL call up and a third round pick to trade with Scuderi or Lovejoy for more help.

Unfortunately I'm so busy that I can't come on here every day. Did you guys already discuss this Ek-esque rumour? http://thehockeypress.spo...o-montreal-canadiens.html
It says Kunitz and a 4th for Tom Gilbert, Torey Mitchell, Joonas Nattien(whoever that is) and a third. I think I like it. It's not terrible anyways. What do you think?
- Dcoms

Trade Kunitz for an over the hill defenseman who wouldn't even be an upgrade over Lovejoy, a 4C that we don't need that costs over 1 mil, and a bust prospect who's 24 years old and has only played one game in the Show despite being in a system shallow for wings? This wouldn't even clear up enough space to sign Franson. Hard pass. We should trade Kunitz if it's for a top 4 d man whether that's through direct aquasitin or, more likely, through cap relief to sign.

I just wanted to chime in that just about any game of just about every sport (including hockey) in just about any part of the world can be easily streamed online for free. Sure, some feeds are a little better than others and sometimes you have to look around for a couple of minutes, but why pay for it?
- thevelvetfog1

Because hundreds of people are employed for the express purpose of creating those feeds/broadcasts, and they need to put food on the table.

People like you are one reason why Gamecenter is so expensive. Thanks for that, you're a true fan.

I disagree. It gives us a legit replacement for Suckjoy and gives us some forward depth and toughness in Mitchell and an AHL call up and a third round pick to trade with Scuderi or Lovejoy for more help.
- Dcoms

You don't trade Kunitz to replace Lovejoy. Terrible asset movement. A top 6 for bottom pairing D? There's zero pressure to trade Kunitz right now. Wingers like Kunitz go for a lot DURING the season when injuries change the narrative.

To be fair we could do it very easily if he was worth it. He's just not.
- Dcoms

Not sure we could without losing a few larger sized contracts (if that's what you have in mind). Perron or another top 6 to sign, Maatta, Fehr wouldn't have been signed so to be competative who fills his spot? That's just 3 of the top of my head. With Kessel on board it has become a lot harder to sign those larger contracts without reducing our roster of 1 or 2.

How not to run a NHL franchise:

1. Follow Ray Shero
2. Follow the Nucks

I'd like to see a side by side comparison of the Pens roster the day JR took over vs today. I never would have thought a GM could turn it around so fast.
- sammy87

Yes have to say JR got his big broom out not just his dustpan. I believe trading Neal was a ballsy move - he just (frank)ed us all over with Despres who we will always relate JR with within any first sentence. So Neal got us Horny & helped with Kessel - great work JR.

The Nucks - well, they made the playoffs while suffering a Torts hangover. so that was a positive between some questionable moves??

Ignoring any of the analytics stuff, not leaving an "out" option would be my biggest issue with it as a Canucks fan. If Sutter came in on his last year and disappointed, maybe they could still move him at the deadline and recoup assets. But now with this contract, they are stuck. If he doesn't fit with the team/coach/system/etc. they have zero recourse.
- jfkst1

Remember he has a relationship with big Willie D, so the coach probably has the big plan & knows what he has. A little like MJ & Pouliot only different.

Yeah, I agree. It'll likely be a tough situation sooner than later.

It's amazing that most fans can see the problems with a player, yet a couple of execs sign them to these types of contracts. I feel smarter, so that's nice.
- Topshelf Mountain

Yes it's like watching a quiz show where someone is asked a simple question & phucks it up. . Unfortunately we don't know the ins & outs of these players & only see a small aspect of their jobs, so what we think is crazy (& sometimes probably is), the results that we don't see are what is being paid for.

I disagree. It gives us a legit replacement for Suckjoy and gives us some forward depth and toughness in Mitchell and an AHL call up and a third round pick to trade with Scuderi or Lovejoy for more help.
- Dcoms

T.Mitchell and Gilbert blow! Big pass

Unfortunately I'm so busy that I can't come on here every day. Did you guys already discuss this Ek-esque rumour? http://thehockeypress.spo...o-montreal-canadiens.html
It says Kunitz and a 4th for Tom Gilbert, Torey Mitchell, Joonas Nattien(whoever that is) and a third. I think I like it. It's not terrible anyways. What do you think?
- Dcoms

I think it would be a horrible trade.

Because hundreds of people are employed for the express purpose of creating those feeds/broadcasts, and they need to put food on the table.

People like you are one reason why Gamecenter is so expensive. Thanks for that, you're a true fan.
- mattyj2001

Cool. Then let the billionaire owners pay them while they charge $100 per ticket to a game where you can buy $10 beers. As a "middle class" working person who rarely has a lot of extra money, Ill take free where I can get it.

Cool. Then let the billionaire owners pay them while they charge $100 per ticket to a game where you can buy $10 beers. As a "middle class" working person who rarely has a lot of extra money, Ill take free where I can get it.
- thickman1178

Standing up clapping. Bravo sir.

Cool. Then let the billionaire owners pay them while they charge $100 per ticket to a game where you can buy $10 beers. As a "middle class" working person who rarely has a lot of extra money, Ill take free where I can get it.
- thickman1178

That first part really can't be serious can it?

Bieksa, Kesler, Luongo were all traded from that team and they all had a NTC. Zero recourse is a bit of an exaggeration.
- nelson911

Were all those players under the same GM as today?

Its partially the fans fault. They ran Kesler and Luongo out of town. Schneider didn't want to stick around. They'll do the same to Sutter. They had a pretty solid team what 4 yrs ago?

Cool. Then let the billionaire owners pay them while they charge $100 per ticket to a game where you can buy $10 beers. As a "middle class" working person who rarely has a lot of extra money, Ill take free where I can get it.
- thickman1178

To be fair, the working class guy isn't the market audience for a NHL owner. Luxury boxes write the big checks. Look at every new/upgraded stadium. What is the biggest difference? Box suites. That and season ticket sales. They really have no interest in catering to the average fan who buys single game tickets. When you have idiot Leafs fans who throw a $180 jersey on the ice after a loss like a piece of trash...owners see a justification for their prices. PPL are still paying.

Because hundreds of people are employed for the express purpose of creating those feeds/broadcasts, and they need to put food on the table.

People like you are one reason why Gamecenter is so expensive. Thanks for that, you're a true fan.
- mattyj2001

No, those people will be employed regardless and their earnings don't change with profit margin - that is for the fat cats. The fine, upstanding do-gooders who grace us with Gamecenter base their rates on whatever the market will bear.