If he is innocent, he's still in a bad spot. With his track record, the court of public opinion will most likely just assume he's guilty, especially with athletes in today's day and age.
- buffalofan19

This is what I said a few pages back. Its the tradeoff of fame and fortune. You can't even put yourself in these situations. Take all those $$$$ and go sit in front of the tv. That way you cant get in trouble.

could be.
- TheSabresTaco

i only rape the willing
- IndianaSabresFan

not that it is funny. but i was talking about either rape or driving drunk
- IndianaSabresFan

I know, I was just being a jackass

This is what I said a few pages back. Its the tradeoff of fame and fortune. You can't even put yourself in these situations. Take all those $$$$ and go sit in front of the tv. That way you cant get in trouble.
- Buffalo--Sabres

about the only way to avoid them is to isolate yourself.. some people go seeking trouble with these people for either fame or fortune.. which i hate to see

If you kill someone... it.. could be?
- TheSabresTaco

I know, I was just being a jackass
- CaptainRivet

oh i knew you knew i knew that you knew (new)

Yes it is that's the world we live and I don't know what to believe anymore and I apologize
- gerbe75pts

When people make that assumption, you give a shield to rich people to get away with whatever they want. And I'm not assuming he's guilty, either - maybe this is a misunderstanding or someone fishing for cash. I have no idea.

But it makes me physically sick to see people circle the wagons by immediately assuming the female in question is "a gold digger." You have no idea.

this is just a blackeye for Buffalo again probably make national news

My guess is, that the police see that there is chance that this thing goes away, that's why they've not officially charged him until they talk to him. Most Rape charges are sketchy. I think more than 50% turn out to be bogus. I think most complainants think they can just throw the "R" word out the guys just gets hauled away for life instantly. It's much more complicated than that.
- Buffalo--Sabres

I'm talking about criminal procedure and what we can read between the lines if we know what the procedure is.

If I recall correctly that (i) the authorities need a warrant before they can bring you in (it's always an "arrest," technically, but sometimes you're only wanted as a "material witness"), and (ii) the authorities need to demonstrate "probable cause" to a court before they can obtain a warrant; and (iii) we can presume from the use of the phrase that Kane might "turn himself in" that the cops were threatening to bring him in if he didn't do so;

Then can't we presume that a necessary predicate for all of that was that the authorities had demonstrated to some court that there was probable cause to arrest Kane, whether as a witness or the subject of the investigation. BTW "probable cause" is a much lower standard than "beyond a shadow of doubt" which is necessary for a conviction.

And I am not a criminal lawyer.

When people make that assumption, you give a shield to rich people to get away with whatever they want. And I'm not assuming he's guilty, either - maybe this is a misunderstanding or someone fishing for cash. I have no idea.

But it makes me physically sick to see people circle the wagons by immediately assuming the female in question is "a gold digger." You have no idea.
- nfph

I apologize for being that guy

this is just a blackeye for Buffalo again probably make national news
- gerbe75pts

IMO it affects the hawks a lot more then the city of buffalo

this is just a blackeye for Buffalo again probably make national news
- gerbe75pts

People weren't saying that about Pittsburgh and Ben Rothlisburger (sp).

about the only way to avoid them is to isolate yourself.. some people go seeking trouble with these people for either fame or fortune.. which i hate to see
- IndianaSabresFan

On the other hand, "some" celebrities and athletes (throw in rich people also) think they can do what they want because of status or wealth...

I'm talking about criminal procedure and what we can read between the lines if we know what the procedure is.

If I recall correctly that (i) the authorities need a warrant before they can bring you in (it's always an "arrest," technically, but sometimes you're only wanted as a "material witness"), and (ii) the authorities need to demonstrate "probable cause" to a court before they can obtain a warrant; and (iii) we can presume from the use of the phrase that Kane might "turn himself in" that the cops were threatening to bring him in if he didn't do so;

Then can't we presume that a necessary predicate for all of that was that the authorities had demonstrated to some court that there was probable cause to arrest Kane, whether as a witness or the subject of the investigation. BTW "probable cause" is a much lower standard than "beyond a shadow of doubt" which is necessary for a conviction.

And I am not a criminal lawyer.
- Der Kaiser

At the same time, "turning himself in" could also mean "go in for questioning" with no arrest.

This is really confusing to me, from a very technical legal sense.

Graham confirms that Kane is only being INVESTIGATED, not charged. And in his next tweet, he says Kane may TURN HIMSELF IN.

I don't believe there is any need to turn yourself in unless your wanted, or, in a legal sense, a warrant has been issued - which requires "probable cause." We're starting to slide down a fairly slippery slope here.
- Der Kaiser

probably just trying to get out in front of this. cambria represented him last time, everything from this point forward will be geared towards getting him cleared. regardless of what he did, he put himself in a bad position again. i think if i was young and rich i would live locked away in my house like howard hughes.

I apologize for being that guy
- gerbe75pts

I'm definitely not saying any of this because I want to be a judgmental wiener or because I think less of you. But I am standing up and saying why the train of thought really bothers me.

so it starts out as number of items in express lane
then it shifts to handicap stalls
then we learn goose is really a kardashian
followed up by kane being a dumb ass that may do time
then we get confirmed jr will never be ready


sums up this morning?

I apologize for being that kid
- gerbe75pts

fixed

so it starts out as number of items in express lane
then it shifts to handicap stalls
then we learn goose is really a kardashian
followed up by kane allegedly being a dumb ass that may do time
then we get confirmed jr will never be ready


sums up this morning?
- homiedclown

dont be that guy

so it starts out as number of items in express lane
then it shifts to handicap stalls
then we learn goose is really a kardashian
followed up by kane being a dumb ass that may do time
then we get confirmed jr will never be ready


sums up this morning?
- homiedclown

and some people think the offseason is boring

On the other hand, "some" celebrities and athletes (throw in rich people also) think they can do what they want because of status or wealth...
- jochfr

some kids feel that way because of their parents wealth

so it starts out as number of items in express lane
then it shifts to handicap stalls
then we learn goose is really a kardashian
followed up by kane being a dumb ass that may do time
then we get confirmed jr will never be ready


sums up this morning?
- homiedclown

I used up all my good gifs yesterday.

I used up all my good gifs yesterday.
- Der Kaiser

The kangaroo was my fav