The way girls look/dress these days you damned well better be a the very least so you can educate the hell out of your kids.

None of us are as versed as Michael Bay as evidenced by this little gem from the last Transformers movie:

https://youtu.be/Cz9OgW4JAJ8
- Maskdman3

I don't know man. I look at girls that are 25 and they look 15 to me.

I don't know man. I look at girls that are 25 and they look 15 to me.
- Cptmjl

It's a dangerous time to be a man these days

The law that applies to situations where state and federal laws disagree is called the supremacy clause, which is part of article VI of the Constitution. The supremacy clause contains what's known as the doctrine of pre-emption, which says that the federal government wins in the case of conflicting legislation. Basically, if a federal and state law contradict, then when you're in the state you can follow the state law, but the feds can decide to stop you. When there is a conflict between a state law and federal law, it is the federal law that prevails. For example, if a federal regulation prohibits the use of medical marijuana, but a state regulation allows it, the federal law prevails.
- RAGSareDANGERus

You are specifically talking about drugs. Rape for it to be followed under a federal law would have to cross state lines. Like I said there may be "certain exceptions", but most crime is not superceded by federal law and is handled under state laws unless it crosses state lines

You are specifically talking about drugs. Rape for it to be followed under a federal law would have to cross state lines. Like I said there may be "certain exceptions", but most crime is not superceded by federal law and is handled under state laws unless it crosses state lines
- mdw7413

Nah dude it's ALL laws. It's a matter of whether the Feds want to actually pursue taking action. At least that's why I learned last year in my law class.

Good god, just stop guys.

Don't know if you're right. That's why the DEA carries out raids in Cali even though weed is legal in state law.

Edit: The law that applies to situations where state and federal laws disagree is called the supremacy clause, which is part of article VI of the Constitution. The supremacy clause contains what's known as the doctrine of pre-emption, which says that the federal government wins in the case of conflicting legislation. Basically, if a federal and state law contradict, then when you're in the state you can follow the state law, but the feds can decide to stop you. When there is a conflict between a state law and federal law, it is the federal law that prevails.


Hahahahahahabaha suck it Matt hahahahahahahaha you suck
- RAGSareDANGERus

Well this is twisting what reality is to an extent. They're not raiding legal dispensaries UNLESS they have reason. Just because it's "legal" doesn't mean you can grow it, sell it, etc without paying even more money to the govt for licensing, permits, whatever. Federal govt does supersede state law in some situations but state laws exist for a reason. If Fed law trumped it in all or even most circumstance we wouldn't have state governed laws to begin with. Look no further than state fishery or hunting regs/laws for proof of this.

Nah dude it's ALL laws. It's a matter of whether the Feds want to actually pursue taking action. At least that's why I learned last year in my law class.
- RAGSareDANGERus

I can't believe how lame my thread has been to participate in this boring (frank)ing conversation.

Nah dude it's ALL laws. It's a matter of whether the Feds want to actually pursue taking action. At least that's why I learned last year in my law class.
- RAGSareDANGERus

Well then what would be the point of having state laws? You're wrong here. Federal laws where put into place so that if you cross state lines commit a crime, you cant just run to another state and say, oh I'm in a different state, you have no jurisdiction.

Good god, just stop guys.
- Pete V

Come on Mr Lawyer, fill us in on some knowledge.

Well then what would be the point of having state laws? You're wrong here. Federal laws where put into place so that if you cross state lines commit a crime, you cant just run to another state and say, oh I'm in a different state, you have no jurisdiction.
- mdw7413

State laws were created because when they created the consitituion, the original states were afraid of the federal government having too much power so they demanded state laws. Later on, it was determined that federal law trumps state law.

Right Pete??

Well this is twisting what reality is to an extent. They're not raiding legal dispensaries UNLESS they have reason. Just because it's "legal" doesn't mean you can grow it, sell it, etc without paying even more money to the govt for licensing, permits, whatever. Federal govt does supersede state law in some situations but state laws exist for a reason. If Fed law trumped it in all or even most circumstance we wouldn't have state governed laws to begin with. Look no further than state fishery or hunting regs/laws for proof of this.
- Cptmjl

They actually have raided places that followed licensing and permit laws just for the sake of raising up until Obama banned it a couple years ago.

Well then what would be the point of having state laws? You're wrong here. Federal laws where put into place so that if you cross state lines commit a crime, you cant just run to another state and say, oh I'm in a different state, you have no jurisdiction.
- mdw7413

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution mandates that Federal laws will preempt inconsistent State law. But, there have been years and years of jurisprudence analyzing that law, and what it really means for a law to be inconsistent. To put it in lamen's terms, a State has the right to pass laws more stringent than Federal laws, but not less so (that's a real simplistic way of putting it).

So, by way of example, under Federal law, you cannot consume alcohol before you are 21 years old. Thus, the State cannot pass a law making the legal drinking age 16. However, if the State wanted to pass a law making the legal drinking age 24, they could do so (although who would want to live in that State). By way of further example, a State can have stricter environment laws than Federal standards, but not less so.

In the present case, rape is usually a state law offense, unless there is something that brings it into the Federal purview (i.e., hate crime), which makes this whole conversation kind of irrelevant.

They actually have raided places that followed licensing and permit laws just for the sake of raising up until Obama banned it a couple years ago.
- RAGSareDANGERus

BUT there was "reason" for said raid which was my point.

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution mandates that Federal laws will preempt inconsistent State law. But, there have been years and years of jurisprudence analyzing that law, and what it really means for a law to be inconsistent. To put it in lamen's terms, a State has the right to pass laws more stringent than Federal laws, but not less so (that's a real simplistic way of putting it).

So, by way of example, under Federal law, you cannot consume alcohol before you are 21 years old. Thus, the State cannot pass a law making the legal drinking age 16. However, if the State wanted to pass a law making the legal drinking age 24, they could do so (although who would want to live in that State). By way of further example, a State can have stricter environment laws than Federal standards, but not less so.

In the present case, rape is usually a state law offense, unless there is something that brings it into the Federal purview (i.e., hate crime), which makes this whole conversation kind of irrelevant.
- Pete V

So why can a state have more lenient age of consent laws than the Federal goverment?

So why can a state have more lenient age of consent laws than the Federal goverment?
- RAGSareDANGERus

I don't know what Federal statutory rape law you are talking about, because I was never aware that one existed (and would be surprised if it did), but hypothetically, if the age of consent Federally is 18, and it's 17 in New York, the argument would be that the State law is stricter (when applied against the offender), and not more lenient, and therefore, not inconsistent.

I don't know what Federal statutory rape law you are talking about, because I was never aware that one existed (and would be surprised if it did), but hypothetically, if the age of consent Federally is 18, and it's 17 in New York, the argument would be that the State law is stricter (when applied against the offender), and not more lenient, and therefore, not inconsistent.
- Pete V

I don't think there is one that says 18. It only becomes federal when it crosses state lines. Its what I was trying to explain to RD.

I don't know what Federal statutory rape law you are talking about, because I was never aware that one existed (and would be surprised if it did), but hypothetically, if the age of consent Federally is 18, and it's 17 in New York, the argument would be that the State law is stricter (when applied against the offender), and not more lenient, and therefore, not inconsistent.
- Pete V

Got it.

Frank you anyway Matt

I don't think there is one that says 18. It only becomes federal when it crosses state lines. Its what I was trying to explain to RD.
- mdw7413

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- Cptmjl

Someone farted on his pillow??

Someone farted on his pillow??
- mdw7413

Got it.

Frank you anyway Matt
- RAGSareDANGERus

Meh, there are so many stupid laws and the way the government and states interpret it usually makes no sense.

If it was up to me each state would have their own laws, Federal laws would only apply to certain circumstances, terrorism, crimes across state lines.. etc.

- Cptmjl

Did Johnson win that fight? Or just get in 1 really good punch?

Did Johnson win that fight? Or just get in 1 really good punch?
- mdw7413

Both

Both
- Cptmjl

I remember when Cloutier fought Salo, I actually felt really bad for Salo.

I remember when Cloutier fought Salo, I actually felt really bad for Salo.
- mdw7413

He was actually visually shaking as he went up the ice to fight him