There is no real innocence until proven guilty. Sure you won't go to jail with out proof but if someone accuses of something. Regardless of whether your guilty or not that is your reputation now. Look a Michael Jackson. He probably never abused children yet because of being accused with it, that is what people remember. If you were alone in a house with your child. Would you feel comfortable without your kid in your sight? All it takes is one person to accuse you and them many others follow looking for a money grab. In this case Kane will have this over his head regardless of whether he is guilty or not. There will always be the question, did he actually do it? The fact there is no proof doesn't mean it never happened. Just there was no way to prove it, which happens.

Are they sure they have the right Kane? There's another one in Buffalo.

And well should be ... there are 2 human beings lives here that could be possibly be forever changed , 1st we have a woman who was possibly in a very uncomfortable situation , and 2nd a Professional athlete who is earning millions and vulnerable to gold diggers , very touchy situation and I truly believe the only 2 people who knew what really happened are those affected most in one way or another ... sad really sad

- toneez

Nicely put. And make no mistake about it, both lives will absolutely be forever changed, no could about it. Even if the charges are dropped, a title like that even associating you to crime of that nature always follows a person. It's a horrible situation all around for the two involved and their families/friends. It's easy to be quick to judge and I know it's taken me a long time to learn and try not to.

This could turn out to be the answer to Chicago's cap problems...

Are they sure they have the right Kane? There's another one in Buffalo.
- Gretz2Kurri

Wow. Of all the (frank)ed up poop people could have said in this thread and you come out of left field with that one. Congratulations, you are the worst.

Are they sure they have the right Kane? There's another one in Buffalo.
- Gretz2Kurri

We live in a rape culture. Where women are often criticized for coming forward with these types of accusations. This could be something as 'simple' as he was too much of a drunk mess to hear her saying "Stop", or "No".

Either way, that's still date rape and the guy almost always doesn't even think he was at fault or did anything wrong.

And this dude is a drunken mess constantly.

On the other hand, Athletes and other celebrities are often targeted because of money, plain and simple. However, the quick response from the night it allegedly happened to the cops showing up at his door the very next day shows me this might not be a case of "Girl got blown off, gets mad, cries wolf".

What's more, I've worked with and met several people (dudes) who made quite a bit of money compared to their social circles. Chefs, supervisors, managers, all over 60k a year. I can think of one in particular who bragged about date raping women and a couple others who hinted at it as something 'normal'. Point being that the more money a person has, the cockier they are about these things.

Let's face it, this stuff happens constantly and women are often criticized and chastised for even suggesting they may have been 'raped'. Rape isn't always a sexual, physical assault where the woman is forced into the act. And in those cases, the woman can suffer severe wounds/injuries from the forceful act. It doesn't have to be violent.

"I didn't hear her telling me to stop"

"I was too drunk to realize what had happened and by the time I did it was already over"

"She didn't tell me to stop until we were really into it, so I kept going"

"She's my girlfriend"

"She's my wife"

Etc...
- DynamicThreads

Thank you.

It is really very heartening to see that so many people on this board recognize the reality of life for women in our society.

Heard Kane is taking down his Bill Cosby posters in his room

Here is another Kane

This could turn out to be the answer to Chicago's cap problems...
- elcabong

Here is another Kane
- Landsbergfan

A scorned woman can tell a tall tale to get even. Some of them can become very emotional and make bad decisions in the heat of the moment. The sad fact is that knowing this as all us men do, we always immediately come to the defense of the woman and take their side first without knowing the facts and condemn the man and there's multiple reasons for that which I won't get into but anyone with a little common sense can figure them out I'm sure.

That doesn't mean he's innocent or guilty, all I'm saying is I agree with Ek and that he deserves the benefit of the doubt until all the facts come out. Even if this turns out to be a crazy chick looking to get even with him cause he had a one night stand and blew her off the next day, he's going to have to learn his lesson and be more careful of who he chooses to spend his time with. When you sign a 84 million dollar contract, you put a huge target on your back, especially in America where suing each other for money is a favorite and celebrated past time.

1 woman deserves the benefit of the doubt. 40 women in the case of Bill Cosby......... not so much.

What made Duke even worse was a DA that was trying to make a name for himself prior to re election. He made the event go nuclear. Which is sad. He was willing to bury a lot of lives for his own personal ambition. That is a crime within itself IMO.
- sammy87

Unfortunately, that's not uncommon.

Does Kane bringing her back to his place automatically mean that sex was 100% inevitable? Of course not....

But lets look at some details and not be so naive here people...

They were both likely drunk, coming from a bar...

Kane is a good looking young famous person, im almost certain the girl was good looking as well

It was a Saturday night, a party night, and the people in question are young and living it up....

So my point is lets not kid ourselves into acting like having sex wasn't almost certainly on both of their minds(its only human, and nobody can deny this) not only at the bar but most certainly if going back to Kanes place. Kane isn't gay, that girl wasn't a lesbian. It may sound immature and "scummy", but guess what, some people need to face the harsh reality of today's society, especially when people are drunk, sex is bound to happen more often than not.

Now, on a separate issue, Kane is a douche for being such a man whore, he definitely has a drinking problem, and he put himself in a bad spot.

I could totally see him(and have actually heard stories from people who have seen him in clubs before making out with just about any girl he can get his hands on) being overly drunk, coming on too strong, acting a fool, etc....and then possibly causing the girl to no longer want to have sex. She may have very well changed her mind. But had this happened, would he really still go on to rape the girl on top of all of that? Like as in ignore her forcing him back, saying "no" or "stop", and continue to force himself onto her, and inside of her??

The same Kane that has a hot girlfriend(not to mention the ability to also, however scummy it may be, pick up just about any side girl he wants), an amazing life going for himself, etc....

I'd say there's about a 90-95% chance that what really happened was something more along the lines of:

They had drunken sex late after a night of partying(probably included drugs too), argued after(maybe again in the morning, not sure when it was reported that she left his house) about god knows what, could involve the girl feeling awkward/confused, not being able to remember what she did the night before, or disrespected by Kane's bumhole personality when he was drunk and/or hungover the morning after. Left his house(or wherever), still confused, still probably drunk/hungover/on drugs, maybe dare i say also intrigued by the possibility of extorting a rich person that just treated her like poop(not by raping her/assaulting her, but just by being a complete Richard/drunken, drugged up moron), and decided to go to the hospital and accuse him of rape. Also a chance she wasn't lying or looking for $$, rather just unsure and scared, figured she "might" have been raped when in reality she simply doesn't remember a damn thing.

I just think in this world there are more crazy, delusional, random nobody drunk girls getting picked up at bars that are bound to lie/partially lie/misremember/overreact/over dramatize things than there are good looking famous millionaire men that(despite also being wasted) are willing to forcefully rape girls.

Could i be wrong in Kane's case? Of course. But until i see more evidence come up, im gonna believe he's completely innocent of rape.

Either way he's still guilty of being stupid and needs to take care of his substance abuse problems.

Does Kane bringing her back to his place automatically mean that sex was 100% inevitable? Of course not....

But lets look at some details and not be so naive here people...

They were both likely drunk, coming from a bar...

Kane is a good looking young famous person, im almost certain the girl was good looking as well

It was a Saturday night, a party night, and the people in question are young and living it up....

So my point is lets not kid ourselves into acting like having sex wasn't almost certainly on both of their minds(its only human, and nobody can deny this) not only at the bar but most certainly when going back to Kanes place. Kane isn't gay, that girl wasn't a lesbian. It may sound immature and "scummy", but guess what, some people need to face the harsh reality of today's society, especially when people are drunk, sex is bound to happen more often than not.

Now, on a separate issue, Kane is a douche for being such a man whore, he definitely has a drinking problem, and he put himself in a bad spot.

I could totally see him(and have actually heard stories from people who have seen him in clubs before making out with just about any girl he can get his hands on) being overly drunk, coming on too strong, acting a fool, etc....and then possibly causing the girl to no longer want to have sex. She may have very well changed her mind after getting to Kane's place. But had this happened, would he really still go on to rape the girl on top of all of that? Like as in ignore her forcing him back, saying "no" or "stop", and continue to force himself onto her, and inside of her??

The same Kane that has a hot girlfriend(not to mention the ability to also, however scummy it may be, pick up just about any side girl he wants), an amazing life going for himself, etc....

I'd say there's about a 90-95% chance that what really happened was something more along the lines of:

They had drunken sex late after a night of partying(probably included drugs too), argued after(maybe again in the morning, not sure when it was reported that she left his house) about god knows what, could involve the girl feeling awkward/confused, not being able to remember what she did the night before, or disrespected by Kane's bumhole personality when he was drunk and/or hungover the morning after. Left his house, still confused, still probably drunk/hungover/on drugs, maybe dare i say also intrigued by the possibility of extorting a rich person that just treated her like poop(not by raping her/assaulting her, but just by being a complete Richard/drunken, drugged up moron), and decided to go to the hospital and accuse him of rape. Also a chance she wasn't lying or looking for $$, rather just unsure and scared, figured she "might" have been raped when in reality she simply doesn't remember a damn thing.

I just think in this world there are more crazy, delusional, random nobody drunk girls getting picked up at bars that are bound to lie/partially lie/misremember/overreact/over dramatize things than there are good looking famous millionaire men that(despite also being wasted) are willing to forcefully rape girls.

Could i be wrong in Kane's case? Of course. But until i see more evidence come up, im gonna believe he's completely innocent of rape.

Either way he's still guilty of being stupid and needs to take care of his substance abuse problems.
- SimpleJack

Nothing like making up your mind before any of the facts are in. As of the 11pm news there has been no official statement of any kind from the police other than there's an investigation involving Kane and a woman and a bar in Angola. Which for those not from the Buffalo area is pretty close to Kane's house. (Hell maybe they got the wrong Patrick K. Kaleta is from Angola; maybe it was him! Or both of them!)

Anything else is just unfounded speculation. Unless of course you have a direct line to the detectives investigating the case. Didn't think so.

Nothing like making up your mind before any of the facts are in. As of the 11pm news there has been no official statement of any kind from the police other than there's an investigation involving Kane and a woman and a bar in Angola. Which for those not from the Buffalo area is pretty close to Kane's house. (Hell maybe they got the wrong Patrick K. Kaleta is from Angola; maybe it was him! Or both of them!)

Anything else is just unfounded speculation. Unless of course you have a direct line to the detectives investigating the case. Didn't think so.
- Wetbandit1

Im free to form my own opinion of what happened. That is what i believe took place, not for certain, but thats my best guess.

Its harder to answer why he would have forcefully raped a girl in or near his own house, than why he wouldn't have. Not 100%, but im siding with his innocence for now.

Im free to form my own opinion of what happened. That is what i believe took place, not for certain, but thats my best guess.

Its harder to answer why he would have forcefully raped a girl in or near his own house, than why he wouldn't have. Not 100%, but im siding with his innocence for now.
- SimpleJack

Of course.

You're a Blackhawks fan. And sexual abuse victims are rarely if ever taken seriously, even by the cops.

This could really effect the Blackhawks salary cap situation. If Patrick Kane went to jail for say 3-5yrs. how does that effect the hawks cap?
- tmlfan17

I posted this back on page 4 and also on the 'Hawks thread yesterday:

THIS JUST IN: "First LTIR, now a rape charge. The Defending Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks are finding all kinds of ways to circumvent the cap".

The 'Hawks would be able - perhaps even the league would be ahead of them - to cancel the contract for this. $10.5M AAV.

Even if Kaner comes out of this completely unscathed on the criminal front (not to mention the civil front), the 'Hawks brass is going to go nuts with him.

Nothing like making up your mind before any of the facts are in. As of the 11pm news there has been no official statement of any kind from the police other than there's an investigation involving Kane and a woman and a bar in Angola. Which for those not from the Buffalo area is pretty close to Kane's house. (Hell maybe they got the wrong Patrick K. Kaleta is from Angola; maybe it was him! Or both of them!)

Anything else is just unfounded speculation. Unless of course you have a direct line to the detectives investigating the case. Didn't think so.
- Wetbandit1

Lotsa coulda, woulda, shoulda stuff SimpleJack posted. But there isn't a single 'Hawks fan who would disagree with this part:

Now, on a separate issue, Kane is a douche for being such a man whore, he definitely has a drinking problem, and he put himself in a bad spot.

Just upsetting that he is still putting himself in these situations. You would like to think/pray/hope/dream that he would have grown up by now and at least found different ways to enjoy himself without putting his reputation and career in danger. Just really a disappointment. Life long Hawks fan here, but in all seriousness, since the way he acted from coming into the League and all of his off ice antics since, he always bothered me. I suppose it never helped his case having to be compared with Toews in every sentence. But then again, you don't see him acting in this manner do you?

Amazing talent on the ice and just suchhhhh a lack of common sense off it. Hoping for the best here.

whats in the drinking water in Buffalo? Too much fluoride makes you do weird stuff
- gzatron

they drink water?

Im free to form my own opinion of what happened. That is what i believe took place, not for certain, but thats my best guess.

Its harder to answer why he would have forcefully raped a girl in or near his own house, than why he wouldn't have. Not 100%, but im siding with his innocence for now.
- SimpleJack

No, you're not 100% sure. As you said you are only 95% sure that a good looking guy would never rape anyone.

Does Kane bringing her back to his place automatically mean that sex was 100% inevitable? Of course not....

But lets look at some details and not be so naive here people...

They were both likely drunk, coming from a bar...

Kane is a good looking young famous person, im almost certain the girl was good looking as well

It was a Saturday night, a party night, and the people in question are young and living it up....

So my point is lets not kid ourselves into acting like having sex wasn't almost certainly on both of their minds(its only human, and nobody can deny this) not only at the bar but most certainly if going back to Kanes place. Kane isn't gay, that girl wasn't a lesbian. It may sound immature and "scummy", but guess what, some people need to face the harsh reality of today's society, especially when people are drunk, sex is bound to happen more often than not.

Now, on a separate issue, Kane is a douche for being such a man whore, he definitely has a drinking problem, and he put himself in a bad spot.

I could totally see him(and have actually heard stories from people who have seen him in clubs before making out with just about any girl he can get his hands on) being overly drunk, coming on too strong, acting a fool, etc....and then possibly causing the girl to no longer want to have sex. She may have very well changed her mind. But had this happened, would he really still go on to rape the girl on top of all of that? Like as in ignore her forcing him back, saying "no" or "stop", and continue to force himself onto her, and inside of her??

The same Kane that has a hot girlfriend(not to mention the ability to also, however scummy it may be, pick up just about any side girl he wants), an amazing life going for himself, etc....

I'd say there's about a 90-95% chance that what really happened was something more along the lines of:

They had drunken sex late after a night of partying(probably included drugs too), argued after(maybe again in the morning, not sure when it was reported that she left his house) about god knows what, could involve the girl feeling awkward/confused, not being able to remember what she did the night before, or disrespected by Kane's bumhole personality when he was drunk and/or hungover the morning after. Left his house(or wherever), still confused, still probably drunk/hungover/on drugs, maybe dare i say also intrigued by the possibility of extorting a rich person that just treated her like poop(not by raping her/assaulting her, but just by being a complete Richard/drunken, drugged up moron), and decided to go to the hospital and accuse him of rape. Also a chance she wasn't lying or looking for $$, rather just unsure and scared, figured she "might" have been raped when in reality she simply doesn't remember a damn thing.

I just think in this world there are more crazy, delusional, random nobody drunk girls getting picked up at bars that are bound to lie/partially lie/misremember/overreact/over dramatize things than there are good looking famous millionaire men that(despite also being wasted) are willing to forcefully rape girls.

Could i be wrong in Kane's case? Of course. But until i see more evidence come up, im gonna believe he's completely innocent of rape.

Either way he's still guilty of being stupid and needs to take care of his substance abuse problems.
- SimpleJack

like just about everyone else, you know nothing about the girl and 0% of the details of what happened that night.

stop being naive that this situation follows some cookie cutter made for tv scenario made up in in your head.

they drink water?
- drexel

Police to make statement shortly.

A lot of rumors (bad ones at that) being thrown around at this point.