This is obviously another false flag operation.
Why didn't Obama find his birth certificate sooner??!!

Wow. Of all the (frank)ed up poop people could have said in this thread and you come out of left field with that one. Congratulations, you are the worst.
- DynamicThreads

Somehow I believe you missed the joke/sarcasm aspect of the post.

Does Kane bringing her back to his place automatically mean that sex was 100% inevitable? Of course not....

But lets look at some details and not be so naive here people...

They were both likely drunk, coming from a bar...

Kane is a good looking young famous person, im almost certain the girl was good looking as well

It was a Saturday night, a party night, and the people in question are young and living it up....

So my point is lets not kid ourselves into acting like having sex wasn't almost certainly on both of their minds(its only human, and nobody can deny this) not only at the bar but most certainly if going back to Kanes place. Kane isn't gay, that girl wasn't a lesbian. It may sound immature and "scummy", but guess what, some people need to face the harsh reality of today's society, especially when people are drunk, sex is bound to happen more often than not.

Now, on a separate issue, Kane is a douche for being such a man whore, he definitely has a drinking problem, and he put himself in a bad spot.

I could totally see him(and have actually heard stories from people who have seen him in clubs before making out with just about any girl he can get his hands on) being overly drunk, coming on too strong, acting a fool, etc....and then possibly causing the girl to no longer want to have sex. She may have very well changed her mind. But had this happened, would he really still go on to rape the girl on top of all of that? Like as in ignore her forcing him back, saying "no" or "stop", and continue to force himself onto her, and inside of her??

The same Kane that has a hot girlfriend(not to mention the ability to also, however scummy it may be, pick up just about any side girl he wants), an amazing life going for himself, etc....

I'd say there's about a 90-95% chance that what really happened was something more along the lines of:

They had drunken sex late after a night of partying(probably included drugs too), argued after(maybe again in the morning, not sure when it was reported that she left his house) about god knows what, could involve the girl feeling awkward/confused, not being able to remember what she did the night before, or disrespected by Kane's bumhole personality when he was drunk and/or hungover the morning after. Left his house(or wherever), still confused, still probably drunk/hungover/on drugs, maybe dare i say also intrigued by the possibility of extorting a rich person that just treated her like poop(not by raping her/assaulting her, but just by being a complete Richard/drunken, drugged up moron), and decided to go to the hospital and accuse him of rape. Also a chance she wasn't lying or looking for $$, rather just unsure and scared, figured she "might" have been raped when in reality she simply doesn't remember a damn thing.

I just think in this world there are more crazy, delusional, random nobody drunk girls getting picked up at bars that are bound to lie/partially lie/misremember/overreact/over dramatize things than there are good looking famous millionaire men that(despite also being wasted) are willing to forcefully rape girls.

Could i be wrong in Kane's case? Of course. But until i see more evidence come up, im gonna believe he's completely innocent of rape.

Either way he's still guilty of being stupid and needs to take care of his substance abuse problems.
- SimpleJack

Your username is very appropriate...

Less than 9 weeks until we raise another banner.
- blackhawk24

Perhaps..and that may be with or without the aforementioned

Yea the problem is...if the girl says he did it the law usually take it as truth...they were only messin around..she didn't want to go all the way and he did..or they did go all the way and the. She woke up from her drunken stupor...here's an idea ..don't go back to a guys house late at night and you won't be in that situation.
- mattstake

Are you serious?

Simple Jack, since you chose to make up such a complex and long winded scenario, allow me to reply point by point in bold throughout your post

Does Kane bringing her back to his place automatically mean that sex was 100% inevitable? Of course not....

But lets look at some details and not be so naive here people...

Once I read the balance of your post I had to question why you think you have grounds to call people naive

They were both likely drunk, coming from a bar...

That's a big assumption. Are you suggesting Kane was drunk driving as well?

Kane is a good looking young famous person, im almost certain the girl was good looking as well

why does this matter?

It was a Saturday night, a party night, and the people in question are young and living it up....

So do lots of people, without the night potentially ending in a sexual assault

So my point is lets not kid ourselves into acting like having sex wasn't almost certainly on both of their minds(its only human, and nobody can deny this) not only at the bar but most certainly if going back to Kanes place. Kane isn't gay, that girl wasn't a lesbian. It may sound immature and "scummy", but guess what, some people need to face the harsh reality of today's society, especially when people are drunk, sex is bound to happen more often than not.

Yes, it is immature and scummy. Drunk does not = consent

Now, on a separate issue, Kane is a douche for being such a man whore, he definitely has a drinking problem, and he put himself in a bad spot.

How do you know he has a drinking problem? Just a few sentences earlier you surmised that young people like to "live it up" on a Saturday night.

I could totally see him(and have actually heard stories from people who have seen him in clubs before making out with just about any girl he can get his hands on) being overly drunk, coming on too strong, acting a fool, etc....and then possibly causing the girl to no longer want to have sex. She may have very well changed her mind. But had this happened, would he really still go on to rape the girl on top of all of that? Like as in ignore her forcing him back, saying "no" or "stop", and continue to force himself onto her, and inside of her??

So so far you are saying that Kane, who you think has a drinking problem and is a "man whore", and who is a famous athlete has a history of acting out of control and likely who almost never hears the words "no" from anyone, wouldn't ever just do what he wants because it feels good to him at the time? Now, who here being naive again?

The same Kane that has a hot girlfriend(not to mention the ability to also, however scummy it may be, pick up just about any side girl he wants), an amazing life going for himself, etc....

So what you are saying is that famous people never cheat on their significant others or exhibit self destructive tendencies?

I'd say there's about a 90-95% chance that what really happened was something more along the lines of:

They had drunken sex late after a night of partying(probably included drugs too),

Wow, he's a drug addict too?

argued after(maybe again in the morning, not sure when it was reported that she left his house) about god knows what, could involve the girl feeling awkward/confused, not being able to remember what she did the night before,

So you are suggesting the girl was so drugged up and out of it that she would have been unable to consciously grant consent? Do you even understand what sexual assault means?

or disrespected by Kane's bumhole personality when he was drunk and/or hungover the morning after. Left his house(or wherever), still confused, still probably drunk/hungover/on drugs, maybe dare i say also intrigued by the possibility of extorting a rich person that just treated her like poop(not by raping her/assaulting her, but just by being a complete Richard/drunken, drugged up moron),

Yes, because calling attention to yourself by accusing a famous athlete of sexual assault is a wonderful thing for the accuser. You only get your own motives disected, get called a gold digging whore, get death threats from fans without an ounce of perspective, and generally have any shred of personal privacy you might have had stripped away. Sounds. Its a wonder everyone doesn't do it!

and decided to go to the hospital and accuse him of rape. Also a chance she wasn't lying or looking for $$, rather just unsure and scared, figured she "might" have been raped when in reality she simply doesn't remember a damn thing.

So under your scenario, waking up without any memory of the night before in a strange place, wouldn't be grounds for being concerned in the least?

I just think in this world there are more crazy, delusional, random nobody drunk girls getting picked up at bars that are bound to lie/partially lie/misremember/overreact/over dramatize things than there are good looking famous millionaire men that(despite also being wasted) are willing to forcefully rape girls.

Yes, because men in positions of power have never used their fame, $, and influence to simply do whatever they wanted and then cover up or buy off the aggrieved victim. Who is naive again?

Could i be wrong in Kane's case? Of course. But until i see more evidence come up, im gonna believe he's completely innocent of rape.

Kane deserves to be treated a innocent as proven guilty, despite the fact that in your flight of fancy, with no knowledge of events whatsoever, you paint a picture that is pretty damning of Kane in some unexplainable rationale attempting to defend him.

Either way he's still guilty of being stupid and needs to take care of his substance abuse problems.
- SimpleJack

Again with this? Has this been proven? And if he's so out of control, as you seem to believe, what makes you believe he might not be capable of something worse? I have no idea what happened, and no agenda. But its amazing to me how people with your innate detective skills have everything figured out already. Thanks Columbo!

Perhaps..and that may be with or without the aforementioned
- mattstake

Yyp. But I'll still be at UC with my camera. And in all likelihood, have at least one great pic to use as my desktop and lock-screen. 61 days until banner night!

Thanks Columbo!

- Emperor Filonius

Great TV series.

Yea the problem is...if the girl says he did it the law usually take it as truth...they were only messin around..she didn't want to go all the way and he did..or they did go all the way and the. She woke up from her drunken stupor...here's an idea ..don't go back to a guys house late at night and you won't be in that situation.
- mattstake

So in your mind, by going back to his house, that means she is asking for it?

Great TV series.
- blackhawk24

I'm glad someone got that. I was afraid it was too old a reference, lol.

So in your mind, by going back to his house, that means she is asking for it?
- Emperor Filonius

I'm speechless.

Simple Jack, since you chose to make up such a complex and long winded scenario, allow me to reply point by point in bold throughout your post



Again with this? Has this been proven? And if he's so out of control, as you seem to believe, what makes you believe he might not be capable of something worse? I have no idea what happened, and no agenda. But its amazing to me how people with your innate detective skills have everything figured out already. Thanks Columbo!

- Emperor Filonius

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY! PROVE IT!

So in your mind, by going back to his house, that means she is asking for it?
- Emperor Filonius

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!

EDIT: Did ALL of you witch-hunters ready to burn 88's IndianHead sweater forget that in AMERICA you are INNOCENT until proven guilty. not vice versa.

Yea the problem is...if the girl says he did it the law usually take it as truth...they were only messin around..she didn't want to go all the way and he did..or they did go all the way and the. She woke up from her drunken stupor...here's an idea ..don't go back to a guys house late at night and you won't be in that situation.
- mattstake

give your head a shake

there is so much stupid in this post

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!

EDIT: Did ALL of you witch-hunters ready to burn 88's IndianHead sweater forget that in AMERICA you are INNOCENT until proven guilty. not vice versa.
- EnzoD

You clearly didn't understand what he had a problem with.

I'm speechless.
- Pecafan Fan

+1

You clearly didn't understand what he had a problem with.
- Pecafan Fan

There's a fairly long list of things he doesn't understand

I hope its not true! BUT.. I did comment after their win saying Toews will win finish with 6 cups and that Kane would not finish his career in Chicago. With this story (if this turns out to be true), I think they will rid themselves of Kane, because no one is bigger than the team. So this type of damage to a team like Hawks is very damaging.

Fingers crossed he comes here to Jersey!

Good Luck Kane!

I'm speechless.
- Pecafan Fan

Just to be clear, I'm not agreeing with him, I'm just trying to clarify if hiw worldview is a Frakked up as it appear to be.

I am no big fan of Eckland, frankly I think he is a little goofy and the Rumour Chart is entirely without merit though it is entertaining. Your group on the podcasts however are learned hockey people that I truly enjoy.
You did however rise substantially in my opinion pole today in regard to Patrick Cane!! Good for you. If only you had kept the same reins on Travis Yost in his degradation of Eugene Melnyk several years ago. Jim

Just to be clear, I'm not agreeing with him, I'm just trying to clarify if hiw worldview is a Frakked up as it appear to be.
- Emperor Filonius

yes, I knew exactly what you meant. No worries.

This is getting beyond the p.kane situation - which nobody here knows the details of.

Can the mods ban both mattstake and simplejack.

These 2 (frank)1ing idiots support a culture of blaming women for rape, believe women are liars and think rape is ok if the woman put herself in the situation.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY! PROVE IT!
- EnzoD

You obviously didn't notice that I clearly stated that Kane is certainly innocent of wrongdoing until charged with a crime and then convicted of same. For what its worth, I hope that nothing of the kind happened, because that would be terrible on so many levels I don't like to even think about it...but unlike a lot of blind Hawks loyalists here, I any not willing to make all kind of unfounded assumptions about what did, or did not happen. I'm also a grown man who finds the culture of blaming women for sexual assault repugnant, which was the general gist of my response to the original poster.

You obviously didn't notice that I clearly stated that Kane is certainly innocent of wrongdoing until charged with a crime and then convicted of same. For what its worth, I hope that nothing of the kind happened, because that would be terrible on so many levels I don't like to even think about it...but unlike a lot of blind Hawks loyalists here, I any not willing to make all kind of unfounded assumptions about what did, or did not happen. I'm also a grown man who find the culture of blaming women for sexual assault repugnant.
- Emperor Filonius

that and as much as kane deserves innocent until proven guilty treatment, the woman has to be treated as honest person until proven otherwise.

This is getting beyond the p.kane situation - which nobody here knows the details of.

Can the mods ban both mattstake and simplejack.

These 2 (frank)1ing idiots support a culture of blaming women for rape, believe women are liars and think rape is ok if the woman put herself in the situation.
- Tumbleweed

Well I'll be damned. Never thought I'd see the day where an internet message board was comprised mainly of people with good, logical, and sensible moral values