Stoll, at one point, could reliably be counted on to put up 35-45 points per year. However, 2 years ago, in 70+ games, he put up 27. Last year, again in 70+ games, he put up 17. That is not a good trend.
- BiggE

Oh yeah, plus Stoll lit up Juniors. Hall never scored at the same pace that Stoll did during his college years. I know, college is a bit different than the CHL in terms of scoring.

NYR are probably not counting him putting up numbers. They are probably bringing him in for sound defensive play and faceoffs. He's also a guy that has won 2 cups, which is valuable.

F the Rangers.

Gudas was a top 6 on a team that went to the cup finals. They weren't particularly strong on the back end but they also weren't weak. He definitely has a place in this league. Rolling out a lineup that doesn't include both schenn and gudas leaves us unbelievably small verse some the bigger teams like the capitals. Schultz Medvedev streit mdz macdonald please tell me whose clearing your crease ? I don't think anyone takes into account how good grossman was was at moving bodies in front the yet. And until morin sanheim is ready we don't have any other physical forces in our system to do that.
- Tfaehner

No doubt, either Gudas or Schenn and at times both, will be in the lineup.

Honestly, I'd take either over the overpaid AMac. None of the 3 put up much offensively, but at least 2 of them add a physical element.

Medvedev, as many have pointed out, is the wildcard. He could end up their top guy and someone you can use in all situations or he could end up struggling to adjust to the smaller rink and more physical game.

Should be fun to watch either way!

Oh yeah, plus Stoll lit up Juniors. Hall never scored at the same pace that Stoll did during his college years. I know, college is a bit different than the CHL in terms of scoring.

NYR are probably not counting him putting up numbers. They are probably bringing him in for sound defensive play and faceoffs. He's also a guy that has won 2 cups, which is valuable.

F the Rangers.
- VladDrag

This! Always this!

Gudas was a top 6 on a team that went to the cup finals. They weren't particularly strong on the back end but they also weren't weak. He definitely has a place in this league. Rolling out a lineup that doesn't include both schenn and gudas leaves us unbelievably small verse some the bigger teams like the capitals. Schultz Medvedev streit mdz macdonald please tell me whose clearing your crease ? I don't think anyone takes into account how good grossman was was at moving bodies in front the yet. And until morin sanheim is ready we don't have any other physical forces in our system to do that.
- Tfaehner

I think Gudas is a fine defensemen.

I think the problem is that when you have too many defenders of the similar mold, it makes you a bit vulnerable in one way or another. In this example, you have two players built from the same cloth, big, strong, but slow. Yes, that helps with the bigger teams but you'll suffer against the speedy teams.

The idea for defense is that you want to have that perfect balance. It helps when you have a guy who can play on all sides of the puck and eat up 20-25 mins a night, but the flyers don't have that. Because of that, they have to have balance in their blue line. Having two of the same players, more or less, does not give you great balance. Again, it would be different if the Flyers had a true top d-man. If that was the case, the defense looks a lot better.

Morin is a different mold than both of the dman mentioned above. He's big and strong, but he's a plus skater for a man of that size. Yes, he'll clear the porch but he is also mobile. Sanhiem is not that mold at all. He's tall but lanky, and he is more of an offensive d than a defensive d.

Gudas was a top 6 on a team that went to the cup finals. They weren't particularly strong on the back end but they also weren't weak
- Tfaehner

How many minutes did Gudas play in the playoffs last year? And may I remind you that Kimmo Timonen's skeleton played for the Stanley Cup winners last year?

I'm not saying Gudas is bad, simply that it's not a great argument, i.e. Lukas Krajicek, Ryan Parent, and Oskars Bartulis were top-6 NHL defensemen on a Stanley Cup Finalist in 2010.

How many minutes did Gudas play in the playoffs last year?
- jmatchett383

What year was Gudas a top 4 on a team that went to the cup finals? He played 3 playoff games in his life for the 13-14 Lightning.

What year was Gudas a top 4 on a team that went to the cup finals? He played 3 playoff games in his life for the 13-14 Lightning.
- MBFlyerfan

I...agree?

How many minutes did Gudas play in the playoffs last year? And may I remind you that Kimmo Timonen's skeleton played for the Stanley Cup winners last year?

I'm not saying Gudas is bad, simply that it's not a great argument, i.e. Lukas Krajicek, Ryan Parent, and Oskars Bartulis were top-6 NHL defensemen on a Stanley Cup Finalist in 2010.
- jmatchett383

Good or bad, he is mean and stood out whenever we played Tampa

I...agree?
- jmatchett383

Sorry, that was meant as a response to the other post saying he was a top 6 d-man on a team that went to the finals.

Good or bad, he is mean and stood out whenever we played Tampa
- aflyerpower8

So it's a "Him hit, him fight, him good," evaluation?

Sorry, that was meant as a response to the other post saying he was a top 6 d-man on a team that went to the finals.

- MBFlyerfan

Until proven otherwise, to me Gudas is simply a capable, affordable 3rd pair physical defenseman. Nothing wrong with that, but he's going to have to prove that he can be more than that.

So it's a "Him hit, him fight, him good," evaluation?
- jmatchett383

NRG

So it's a "Him hit, him fight, him good," evaluation?
- jmatchett383

That's how we ended up with Jody Shelly!

NRG
- johndewar

XLB

That's how we ended up with Jody Shelly!
- coffee junkie

No, we got Jody Shelley based on 1 goal.

No, we got Jody Shelley based on 1 goal.
- jmatchett383

in all fairness, he had 2.

in all fairness, he had 2.
- wilsonecho91

Good point.

Jody Shellov.

So it's a "Him hit, him fight, him good," evaluation?
- jmatchett383

Possibly, I can't evaluate him fairly until I see him play consistently, so I am just saying I noticed him when we played Tampa

It's alright I guess. He's been declining offensively the past few years so I'm not sure he has much left in him.
- Streit2ThePoint

I didn't even consider his offensive game within this signing. I'd love Jarrod Stoll as a fourth line center here at his new price.

Possibly, I can't evaluate him fairly until I see him play consistently, so I am just saying I noticed him when we played Tampa
- aflyerpower8

I'm sure Penguins fans noticed Zac Rinaldo, too. Doesn't mean he was any good (except according to himself).

I'm not saying he will or will not be helpful to the team, simply that saying, "He was a top-6 defenseman on a Stanley Cup Finalist" is a) incorrect and b) not a good way to measure a player's value.

MLB related post:

Why am I reading an article that says a team may try and trade for Utley?

1. Can you make trades post trade deadline?
2. Does Utley then qualify to play in the playoffs for that team?
3. If the above is true, what is the point of the trade deadline in baseball?

MLB related post:

Why am I reading an article that says a team may try and trade for Utley?

1. Can you make trades post trade deadline?
2. Does Utley then qualify to play in the playoffs for that team?
3. If the above is true, what is the point of the trade deadline in baseball?
- funmaster18

I think that he'd have to be waived and removed from the 40-man roster.

Edit:
From the end of the previous World Series through July, trades between two or more major league teams may freely occur at any time. In August, trades may only be made after all players in the trade clear waivers or are not on 40-man rosters. Players acquired after August 31 are ineligible for the postseason roster unless they replace an injured player.

If a player has been on an active major league roster for ten full seasons and on one team for the last five, he may not be traded to another team without his consent (known as the 10 & 5 rule).

Gudas was a top 6 on a team that went to the cup finals. They weren't particularly strong on the back end but they also weren't weak. He definitely has a place in this league. Rolling out a lineup that doesn't include both schenn and gudas leaves us unbelievably small verse some the bigger teams like the capitals. Schultz Medvedev streit mdz macdonald please tell me whose clearing your crease ? I don't think anyone takes into account how good grossman was was at moving bodies in front the yet. And until morin sanheim is ready we don't have any other physical forces in our system to do that.
- Tfaehner

I agree with this mindset for the most part outside of bringing up Tampa going to the Final because this has nothing to do with Gudas. Coburn when he's on his game upgrades that defense by a large margin.

Your point about clearing the crease is accurate. The four players you mention without Schenn or Gudas in the line up looks weak. I think we do need both guys, just as we had both Schenn and Grossmann. I think Luke Schenn can become consistent with the right D partner and there is nothing wrong with that. Michael Del Zotto wasn't gonna improve nor carry Luke Schenn's game. There needs to be some give and take between both partners.

MLB related post:

Why am I reading an article that says a team may try and trade for Utley?

1. Can you make trades post trade deadline?
2. Does Utley then qualify to play in the playoffs for that team?
3. If the above is true, what is the point of the trade deadline in baseball?
- funmaster18

1. The first TDL is the non waiver deadline(July 31). The second TDL (August 31) is the waiver TDL. With this deadline, All major league players must pass through waivers in order to be traded. Just about all players make it on to waivers. If the Phillies put Franco on waivers, another team will claim him. The Phillies will have the option of making a deal with the team that claimed him, letting the other team have him or taking him off waivers and retaining him.

When the Phillies put Howard on waivers, no one will claim him because they won't want to take on his contract. He will pass through and become eligible to be traded to anyone.

When the Phillies put Chase on waivers, teams can put in a claim. If multiple teams put in a claim, the team with the worse record is awarded the claim. Teams will often put in claims for players they have no interest in just to prevent another team above them in the standings from getting him.

2/3. Players are eligible for the playoffs if they are on the 40 man roster by September 1. Teams can actually continue to trade after September 1, but any player acquired won't be eligible for the playoffs.