No big deal, but his name is Corey Pronman.

I like the 3 minute OEL "highlight reel" that doesn't have any game action for the first 30 seconds.

I like the 3 minute OEL "highlight reel" that doesn't have any game action for the first 30 seconds.
- mlindsay

Know what's funny? I actually meant to provide a suggestion to skip to the action.

No big deal, but his name is Corey Pronman.
- Judeman5000

I know it is.

Especially over Erik Karlsson.

Karlsson is great, and the best offensive defensemen in the game by a pretty large margin, but he is incredibly average in his own end. He routinely gets overpowered around the net and is barely trusted to kill a penalty.

Imagine how many points OEL would have had on an offensively competent team
- sbroads24

So you want Karlsson to play all 60 mins of the game? And who do you think drives all of the Sens offense? Karlsson has 2 Norris trophies for a reason. Hes a game changer. Watch him play if you get a chance. Karlsson is on a different level than OEL.

Know what's funny? I actually meant to provide a suggestion to skip to the action.
- James_Tanner

Fair enough... I just thought it was humorous that a sixth of the highlight reel was him taping his stick and walking into the arena.

Especially over Erik Karlsson.

Karlsson is great, and the best offensive defensemen in the game by a pretty large margin, but he is incredibly average in his own end. He routinely gets overpowered around the net and is barely trusted to kill a penalty.

Imagine how many points OEL would have had on an offensively competent team
- sbroads24

The "Karlsson is average defensively" arguement is lame IMO. You don't play 27 minutes a game being "average defensively".

So he doesn't kill penalties; so what? He already plays 27 minutes a game without doing so. Penalty killing is an art all its own. I don't see Karlsson get knocked off the puck anymore than Duncan Keith does. They're not the size of Shea Weber, so it's gonna happen.

I stand by what I said, Karlsson is the 4th best dman in the league behind what I refer to as the "big 3". The only arguement that I think really makes sense for unseating Karlsson from that spot is Roman Josi.

OEL? He's definitely working his way up there. But he's still got a ways to go. You're probably right: he probably just need's a better team around him for us to notice just how good he is, not all that different from what we're seeing from Hedman now.

The "Karlsson is average defensively" arguement is lame IMO. You don't play 27 minutes a game being "average defensively".

So he doesn't kill penalties; so what? He already plays 27 minutes a game without doing so. Penalty killing is an art all its own. I don't see Karlsson get knocked off the puck anymore than Duncan Keith does. They're not the size of Shea Weber, so it's gonna happen.

I stand by what I said, Karlsson is the 4th best dman in the league behind what I refer to as the "big 3". The only arguement that I think really makes sense for unseating Karlsson from that spot is Roman Josi.

OEL? He's definitely working his way up there. But he's still got a ways to go. You're probably right: he probably just need's a better team around him for us to notice just how good he is, not all that different from what we're seeing from Hedman now.
- mochoson

Karlsson is probably the best, but Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten.

The "Karlsson is average defensively" arguement is lame IMO. You don't play 27 minutes a game being "average defensively".

So he doesn't kill penalties; so what? He already plays 27 minutes a game without doing so. Penalty killing is an art all its own. I don't see Karlsson get knocked off the puck anymore than Duncan Keith does. They're not the size of Shea Weber, so it's gonna happen.

I stand by what I said, Karlsson is the 4th best dman in the league behind what I refer to as the "big 3". The only arguement that I think really makes sense for unseating Karlsson from that spot is Roman Josi.

OEL? He's definitely working his way up there. But he's still got a ways to go. You're probably right: he probably just need's a better team around him for us to notice just how good he is, not all that different from what we're seeing from Hedman now.
- mochoson

I would agree Karlsson is top 3-5. But IMO OEL will be better overall.

The Norris is kind of a joke, it's become an offensive award. The best defensemen in the game should do it all, PP, PK, score and most importantly prevent the other team from scoring. Karlsson is great in most categories, but as a defensemen, there are certain situations that can't be avoided. In those situations I'm choosing a Doughty or Keith over Karlsson

I would agree Karlsson is top 3-5. But IMO OEL will be better overall.

The Norris is kind of a joke, it's become an offensive award. The best defensemen in the game should do it all, PP, PK, score and most importantly prevent the other team from scoring. Karlsson is great in most categories, but as a defensemen, there are certain situations that can't be avoided. In those situations I'm choosing a Doughty or Keith over Karlsson
- sbroads24

Karlsson is just so much better at driving possession than anyone else in the league that his defense is irrelevant. When he's on the ice, the Sens are practically the best team in the NHL. Take the best Ddefensive Dman and compare him to Karlsson and he's a loser because when EK is out, you don't generally even have to play defense.

You just waste him on the PK because even if you had the five best PKers of all time, the 5-4 advantage is still going to score a goal roughly one out of every five times.

EK at even strength gives you a bigger advantage over the opposition than the best PK can give you vs the worst PP, so it's really just a big waste to put him on the ice, even if he was good at it, during the PK.

It is not even a microscopic detriment to his game that he doesn't play PK, is my point.

Karlsson is just so much better at driving possession than anyone else in the league that his defense is irrelevant. When he's on the ice, the Sens are practically the best team in the NHL. Take the best Ddefensive Dman and compare him to Karlsson and he's a loser because when EK is out, you don't generally even have to play defense.

You just waste him on the PK because even if you had the five best PKers of all time, the 5-4 advantage is still going to score a goal roughly one out of every five times.

EK at even strength gives you a bigger advantage over the opposition than the best PK can give you vs the worst PP, so it's really just a big waste to put him on the ice, even if he was good at it, during the PK.

It is not even a microscopic detriment to his game that he doesn't play PK, is my point.
- James_Tanner

This isn't true

Even using a simple stats like On ice GF/60 shows he's great but nothing that shows that Ottawa would be the NHL's best team

Erik Karlsson GF/60 - 2.89 GA/60 - 2.49
Duncan Keith GF/60 2.93 GA/60- 2.33

He's immaculate in the possession department. But when it breaks down to something as tangible as simple on ince goals for, he does not make his team the leagues best

This isn't true

Even using a simple stats like On ice GF/60 shows he's great but nothing that shows that Ottawa would be the NHL's best team

Erik Karlsson GF/60 - 2.89 GA/60 - 2.49
Duncan Keith GF/60 2.93 GA/60- 2.33

He's immaculate in the possession department. But when it breaks down to something as tangible as simple on ince goals for, he does not make his team the leagues best
- sbroads24

Hes a beast and you know it

Hes a beast and you know it
- forbetterorWORSE

Of course he is

I have never been to Arizona. (Or traveled anywhere for that matter). I do understand why people love the guy, I'm not a robot. I just don't believe that sentimentality is a proper emotion for a franchise to have. I also do not care if he's settled there, what is he, a flower? The guys a millionaire, I could give a crap what he wants, to be honest.

But whatever, it's just something to make fun of. I could barely care if they didn't act obligated to give him first/second line ice time in exchange for third line performance.

It'd also go along way in changing the culture/makeup of the team.
- James_Tanner

tanner at some point a team has to give a little to a franchise player. and its not only for doan but its PR. And not to the fans but the players. it shows that the team to some degree respects loyalty. and on some level that helps when players are making decisions on coming here or staying here.

Richardson....if you read his interview he said the influence of vrbata helped convince him the coyotes would be a good place for him. And for all intensive purposes maloney SCREWED vrby. 2 times. but yet vrbata still had a positive feeling about the team.

if you have been reading local reports Doan is back in town and knows he will be on the 3rd line this year and is ok with that. he knows he wont be getting to 6 min. hes not delusional. but he said if he was effective he would play beyond this season. he also said he would not ask to be traded at the deadline to a contender. your looking at a third line of Doan- richardson- reider. thats from tipett. also top 6 going into camp are Hanzal duclair Domi Boedker Vermette and open wing slot. at camp they are going to test strome on the wing. obviously perlini dvorak and samuelsson will be competing for that spot.

Tanner at some point in your life you should travel out to AZ. Its a nice place. Stay in socttsdale spend a week and see the sights. hell this year they have 2 long homestands were in a week u can see 4 games.

This isn't true

Even using a simple stats like On ice GF/60 shows he's great but nothing that shows that Ottawa would be the NHL's best team

Erik Karlsson GF/60 - 2.89 GA/60 - 2.49
Duncan Keith GF/60 2.93 GA/60- 2.33

He's immaculate in the possession department. But when it breaks down to something as tangible as simple on ince goals for, he does not make his team the leagues best
- sbroads24

Here's the thing. His defence isn't irrelevant whatsoever. when compared to the games best two way defenders, these 'offence only' guys show to be lacking.

goals for are only marginally better, while goals against are substantially worse.

The trade off makes it clear that they're inferior players.
And that's not even taking into account the increased situational play those can e trusted with, nor the on vious eye test that is incredibly relevant when watching a players impact.

Karlsson is probably the best, but Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten.
- James_Tanner

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Here's the thing. His defence isn't irrelevant whatsoever. when compared to the games best two way defenders, these 'offence only' guys show to be lacking.

goals for are only marginally better, while goals against are substantially worse.

The trade off makes it clear that they're inferior players.
And that's not even taking into account the increased situational play those can e trusted with, nor the on vious eye test that is incredibly relevant when watching a players impact.
- HB77

This is where solely looking at Corsi to determine impact loses me.

The proof is in the pudding, If Karlsson played 60 minutes, The Sens would be better, but not astronomically better than they already are. The proof is in his GF/60. It isn't even the best on his team, or the best on their blue line. Methot actually is.

Now, of course context is needed, and other stats play a factor. Marc Methot is nowhere near Erik Karlsson. But Karlsson stepping on the ice doesn't suddenly turn the Sens into the Hawks

tanner at some point a team has to give a little to a franchise player. and its not only for doan but its PR. And not to the fans but the players. it shows that the team to some degree respects loyalty. and on some level that helps when players are making decisions on coming here or staying here.

Richardson....if you read his interview he said the influence of vrbata helped convince him the coyotes would be a good place for him. And for all intensive purposes maloney SCREWED vrby. 2 times. but yet vrbata still had a positive feeling about the team.

if you have been reading local reports Doan is back in town and knows he will be on the 3rd line this year and is ok with that. he knows he wont be getting to 6 min. hes not delusional. but he said if he was effective he would play beyond this season. he also said he would not ask to be traded at the deadline to a contender. your looking at a third line of Doan- richardson- reider. thats from tipett. also top 6 going into camp are Hanzal duclair Domi Boedker Vermette and open wing slot. at camp they are going to test strome on the wing. obviously perlini dvorak and samuelsson will be competing for that spot.

Tanner at some point in your life you should travel out to AZ. Its a nice place. Stay in socttsdale spend a week and see the sights. hell this year they have 2 long homestands were in a week u can see 4 games.
- whatthepuckaz

Hey thanks for the post. I'd love to go out to AZ in the future, not sure it's in the cards any time soon though. I have nothing personal against Doan, and honesty he's not going to be doing too much harm and it's reasonable to suggest that even his leadership etc is worth having around not to mention the stuff about being a classy org. etc. I was really just making a little fun, I don't personally have a grudge against the guy (some people took this really personally actually and acted as if I said I hate the guy).

I don't mind the roles your laying out and it's pretty obvious what they're going to do, but one thing I don't like is Vermette as a top six player. He might give you some value at 3C, but he'll be bad as a second line centre.

I hope they are forced to play Strome, because whenever Hanzal gets injured, Vermette will be the 1C and it will be tough to watch, as it has for several seasons already.

This is where solely looking at Corsi to determine impact loses me.

The proof is in the pudding, If Karlsson played 60 minutes, The Sens would be better, but not astronomically better than they already are. The proof is in his GF/60. It isn't even the best on his team, or the best on their blue line. Methot actually is.

Now, of course context is needed, and other stats play a factor. Marc Methot is nowhere near Erik Karlsson. But Karlsson stepping on the ice doesn't suddenly turn the Sens into the Hawks
- sbroads24

I would say it actually does. I would say that when the teams ice their first lines, they are only marginally better than each other in the first place.

Since 2010-11 of D playing 6000 mins or more, Karlsson is 5th in CF%. and first in P/60. He is the only person in the top five of both catagories.

His goals/60 are .47 and the next closest D man is .26

Him and Doughty are the only ones on either list with a PDO below 100.

He has 22 more goals than anyone else over the last five years. He also played 70 less games than the guy who's #2.

He's 3rd in ES Ice Time over this span, (and all these stats are 5v5 by the way).

This should go without saying, but he has the most PP points during this time, 5 more than Yandle, playing in 49 less games.

Karlsson's team averages 33.38 shots per 60 with him on the ice, he is third in the NHL over this time and only .6 out of first.

When Karlsson is on the ice, his opponents take only 41.49% of the shots taken in total. This is more than a full percentage point lower than anyone else in the NHL, meaning that the team with the most shots for - which leads to the most goals and eventually the most wins, over time, - is whoever plays Erik Karlsson.

QED Erik Karslsson essentially makes his team the best in the NHL when he's on the ice.

Also it was f'n ridiculous for me to call OEL the best D in the NHL without at least saying "not counting Karlsson." He's the best. Hands down. Across the board with no qualifiers like "he's not that good defensively." It's pretty much fact once you look at the stats. I knew he was great, I did not realize to what degree he obliterates the competition.

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- mochoson

Sorry dude, but if you think Josi is a top ten defenseman, then it's accurate to call him the most overrated in the NHL.

His impact on linemates was negative, he was an even possession player (but no where near the best in the league) he had a high PDO (indicating some luck in the scoring totals) and basically he's a guy who scores some points but doesn't do much else to be effective.

He's a a good player, maybe even great. He's not top ten in the NHL.

Karlsson, Doughty, Hedman, OEL, Subban, Keith,Muzzin, Stralman, Giordano, Ekblad, Carlson, Boychuck, Pietrangelo, Weber, Faulk, Byfuglien, Hamilton, Leddy, Letang , Brodie, Sekera

I'm forgetting some, and you could probably argue for including Josi in the bottom of this list - if you put it in order, which I didn't - but saying he's a top ten D man (not that anyone in their right mind would actually say that) does make him the most overrated player in the NHL, since I haven't heard of anyone so far out of the top ten be called a top ten player before.

So, actually quoting me like you're somehow making fun of me is hilarious. It makes you look like an idiot, cause seriously, Josi is good. He ain't a top ten D man.

So the Only Gamechangers the Yotes have are OEL and Smith, maybe Doan still?


They should bring in more character Vets like Scott to help bring the youth along.


David Cross Sucks.

Foo Fighters Rock.

I would say it actually does. I would say that when the teams ice their first lines, they are only marginally better than each other in the first place.

Since 2010-11 of D playing 6000 mins or more, Karlsson is 5th in CF%. and first in P/60. He is the only person in the top five of both catagories.

His goals/60 are .47 and the next closest D man is .26

Him and Doughty are the only ones on either list with a PDO below 100.

He has 22 more goals than anyone else over the last five years. He also played 70 less games than the guy who's #2.

He's 3rd in ES Ice Time over this span, (and all these stats are 5v5 by the way).

This should go without saying, but he has the most PP points during this time, 5 more than Yandle, playing in 49 less games.

Karlsson's team averages 33.38 shots per 60 with him on the ice, he is third in the NHL over this time and only .6 out of first.

When Karlsson is on the ice, his opponents take only 41.49% of the shots taken in total. This is more than a full percentage point lower than anyone else in the NHL, meaning that the team with the most shots for - which leads to the most goals and eventually the most wins, over time, - is whoever plays Erik Karlsson.

QED Erik Karslsson essentially makes his team the best in the NHL when he's on the ice.

Also it was f'n ridiculous for me to call OEL the best D in the NHL without at least saying "not counting Karlsson." He's the best. Hands down. Across the board with no qualifiers like "he's not that good defensively." It's pretty much fact once you look at the stats. I knew he was great, I did not realize to what degree he obliterates the competition.
- James_Tanner

So you agree with everyone that OEL "IS NOT" the best "D" man in the league? Even though you have tried to ram it down our throats for awhile now that he was?