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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 6:37 PM ET
Barring some yet unknown factor, I have a really hard time seeing this not overturned.
- BulliesPhan87


The question then becomes, if it is overturned, how are the cap issues handled? The Kings missed the buyout window for Richards, so he should then be placed back on the Kings Cap.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 6:39 PM ET
Dunno, if this was Paul Holmgren and the Flyers, I might be inclined to think they rushed into the decision and missed some fine print.

Dean Lombardi, tho? Guy was a labor lawyer for christsake. You gotta figure he at least knows to dot those I's and cross those T's.

- Tomahawk


Only on hockeybuzz can the Richards situation be used to take a veiled shot at Paul Holmgren. Well done.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 6:39 PM ET
Eric Macramalla on Mike Richards:

http://www.forbes.com/sit...ike-richards-so-what-now/

- Tomahawk


I will laugh my ass off if they overturn it and the Kings have to trade away good players to keep Richards on board.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Aug 13 @ 6:43 PM ET
I'm not sure which I'm surprised most by...how high he ranked Lindblom, how low he ranked Sanheim, or the fact he had Lindblom ranked 22 spots higher than Sanheim
- five4fighting10


He's either a savant...or just an idiot
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 6:43 PM ET
The Kings have over 6M of available cap space, so they won't have to trade anyone if they're forced to put Richards back on the cap. What would likely happen is they'll waive, and demote him and send him back down to the minors. Which will save some cap space.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 6:44 PM ET
He's either a savant...or just an idiot
- TheGreat28


Seemed like Provorov was ranked low also, but prospects aren't my strength.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 6:44 PM ET
He's either a savant...or just an idiot
- TheGreat28


Pronman is usually a good read, he definitely has his own takes on guys, not especially surprised to see his rankings.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 6:45 PM ET
Ah goody, somebody is busy answering the questions nobody asked...
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Aug 13 @ 6:56 PM ET
I'm not sure which I'm surprised most by...how high he ranked Lindblom, how low he ranked Sanheim, or the fact he had Lindblom ranked 22 spots higher than Sanheim
- five4fighting10


Pronman definitely marches to the beat of his own drum with prospect/draft rankings...that's why I like to see his rankings, if only for a bit of a change of pace, a different perspective. I remember he was sky high on Konecny pre-draft, as in top 10, which was a bit higher than most. And he was also down on Provorov compared to most. As for Lindblom, he has a ton of top 6 potential. If Konecny and Laughton are probably our two top forward prospects, Lindblom is probably jockeying with NAK behind them. He has the potential to be one of those late round steals every good team seems to have and depend on. We shall see.

Sanheim ranking though seems way too low. Pre-draft Button had Sanheim number 10 in prospect rankings, but he's always been a giant Sanheim-lover. I also find it hard to believe Morin doesn't make a top 100 list. I mean, my expectations on him are a tad more tempered than most, but gosh that's low. Again, Pronman has always kind of disliked Morin.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 7:00 PM ET
Pronman definitely marches to the beat of his own drum with prospect/draft rankings...that's why I like to see his rankings, if only for a bit of a change of pace, a different perspective. I remember he was sky high on Konecny pre-draft, as in top 10, which was a bit higher than most. And he was also down on Provorov compared to most. As for Lindblom, he has a ton of top 6 potential. If Konecny and Laughton are probably our two top forward prospects, Lindblom is probably jockeying with NAK behind them. He has the potential to be one of those late round steals every good team seems to have and depend on. We shall see.

Sanheim ranking though seems way too low. Pre-draft Button had Sanheim number 10 in prospect rankings, but he's always been a giant Sanheim-lover. I also find it hard to believe Morin doesn't make a top 100 list. I mean, my expectations on him are a tad more tempered than most, but gosh that's low. Again, Pronman has always kind of disliked Morin.

- Mononoke


Yeah, Pronman hated Morin before he was drafted and has only inched over to giving him props.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 13 @ 7:07 PM ET
Yeah, Pronman hated Morin before he was drafted and has only inched over to giving him props.

- Jsaquella


Only time will tell with these sorts of things. The thing that sticks out to me with Ghost and Morin is their drive to get better. When they (frank) up on a play, they both show a lot of urgency to get back on the ice and make up for it.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 7:08 PM ET
The post I made on the Kings cap situation, concerning what might happen, if the Richards termination is overturned was not answering a question. It was simply commenting on a topic that was brought up in conversation on the forum. What is the problem with that? Did my post violate the code of conduct somehow? Do I need permission to comment on a topic?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 13 @ 7:21 PM ET
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Aug 13 @ 7:30 PM ET
I don't have Insider, but I've been snooping around trying to find a few player rankings. I'll list some interesting ones grouped by team. Pronman has Jeremy Roy, 48...so 20 spots above Sanheim. Goldobin 62. Timo Meier at 67.

Kapanen 29.
Bracco 39.
Virtanen 27. Boeser 69.
Panarin 34. Hartman 61. Pokka 64.
Kylington 35. Hickey 85.
Juulsen 83.
Mantha 70.
Tuch ~50. Eriksson Ek ~90.
Barzal 13. Ho Sang 45. Pulock 65. Beauviller 66. VandeSompel 79.

Discuss those who know more than me about prospects! Some of these seem really weird, especially with the Flyers rankings in comparison.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 13 @ 7:33 PM ET
I don't have Insider, but I've been snooping around trying to find a few player rankings. I'll list some interesting ones grouped by team. Pronman has Jeremy Roy, 48...so 20 spots above Sanheim. Goldobin 62. Timo Meier at 67.

Kapanen 29.
Bracco 39.
Virtanen 27. Boeser 69.
Panarin 34. Hartman 61. Pokka 64.
Kylington 35. Hickey 85.
Juulsen 83.
Mantha 70.
Tuch ~50. Eriksson Ek ~90.
Barzal 13. Ho Sang 45. Pulock 65. Beauviller 66. VandeSompel 79.

Discuss those who know more than me about prospects! Some of these seem really weird, especially with the Flyers rankings in comparison.

- Mononoke


His rankings are never close to consensus.

Based on his rankings, he would be willing to trade Provorov for Kapanen
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Aug 13 @ 7:34 PM ET

- PhillySportsGuy


Everytime I'm stupid enough to respond.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 7:42 PM ET
I don't have Insider, but I've been snooping around trying to find a few player rankings. I'll list some interesting ones grouped by team. Pronman has Jeremy Roy, 48...so 20 spots above Sanheim. Goldobin 62. Timo Meier at 67.

Kapanen 29.
Bracco 39.
Virtanen 27. Boeser 69.
Panarin 34. Hartman 61. Pokka 64.
Kylington 35. Hickey 85.
Juulsen 83.
Mantha 70.
Tuch ~50. Eriksson Ek ~90.
Barzal 13. Ho Sang 45. Pulock 65. Beauviller 66. VandeSompel 79.

Discuss those who know more than me about prospects! Some of these seem really weird, especially with the Flyers rankings in comparison.

- Mononoke


All I care about is the Flyers having a boatload of quality prospects. The future is bright.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 7:46 PM ET
Only time will tell with these sorts of things. The thing that sticks out to me with Ghost and Morin is their drive to get better. When they (frank) up on a play, they both show a lot of urgency to get back on the ice and make up for it.
- PhillySportsGuy


Yeah, both of them work very hard, and have shown improvement from year to year. Morin's was very noticeable, he made huge strides.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 13 @ 7:47 PM ET
Yeah, both of them work very hard, and have shown improvement from year to year. Morin's was very noticeable, he made huge strides.
- Jsaquella

3 years away

/ob
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 7:48 PM ET
Everytime I'm stupid enough to respond.
- Mononoke


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 7:49 PM ET
3 years away

/ob

- Crimsoninja


Best case scenario, could be 5!
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 7:49 PM ET
3 years away

/ob

- Crimsoninja


I think he's at least one more, myself. I think Gostisbehere might have been ready had he not been hurt
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 7:49 PM ET
3 years away

/ob

- Crimsoninja


If I had my way it'd be close to it.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Aug 13 @ 7:49 PM ET
All I care about is the Flyers having a boatload of quality prospects. The future is bright.
- MJL


Shades.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 13 @ 7:51 PM ET
If I had my way it'd be close to it.
- ob18


3 more years?
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