Right and he'd be on the cap for 4 years when bought out next summer right? Not to mention taking up a roster spot this year at 4.5 of what is in essence, dead cap space

5 years as opposed to 6 if cut next summer
- Just5

Keeping him on the team this season was the right move. What player could they have signed and then traded at the deadline, to make it worth taking on the extra buyout years?

Right and he'd be on the cap for 4 years when bought out next summer right? Not to mention taking up a roster spot this year at 4.5 of what is in essence, dead cap space

5 years as opposed to 6 if cut next summer
- Just5

No. He'd be on the cap 6 seasons including this coming season if we bought him out next summer. If we bought him out next summer, it would be 4 seasons starting with 16-17. I'm not exactly sure of the cap hit, but he gets paid 2/3 of the money he's owed on his deal. How that's paid out over the buyout I'm not exactly sure. I don't believe it's necessarily all paid out in equal amounts over the duration of the buyout.

The less money and years owed, the better. Vinny won't be owed much money after this season.

No. He'd be on the cap 6 seasons including this coming season if we bought him out next summer. If we bought him out next summer, it would be 4 seasons starting with 16-17. I'm not exactly sure of the cap hit, but he gets paid 2/3 of the money he's owed on his deal. How that's paid out over the buyout I'm not exactly sure. I don't believe it's necessarily all paid out in equal amounts over the duration of the buyout.

The less money and years owed, the better. Vinny won't be owed much money after this season.
- mochoson

Any player that they would be able to acquire with the cap savings, likely wouldn't gain an asset by trading said player at the deadline, worth taking on the extra years on the buyout. It's a failed premise. Same as the signing of MacDonald is keeping the Flyers from offering PTO's to Ehrhoff and Franson.

No. He'd be on the cap 6 seasons including this coming season if we bought him out next summer. If we bought him out next summer, it would be 4 seasons starting with 16-17. I'm not exactly sure of the cap hit, but he gets paid 2/3 of the money he's owed on his deal. How that's paid out over the buyout I'm not exactly sure. I don't believe it's necessarily all paid out in equal amounts over the duration of the buyout.

The less money and years owed, the better. Vinny won't be owed much money after this season.
- mochoson

Here are the cap hits if bought out summer '15

15-16 2.88 mil
16-17 2.88 mil
17-18 2.38 mil
18-19 888k
19-20 888k
20-21 888k

Here are his cap hits if bought out summer '16

15-16 4.5 mil
16-17 2.91 mil
17-18 2.41 mil
18-19 916k
19-20 916k

Vinny is taking up more total cap space 11.65 mil opposed to 10.8 if bought out next summer. Again it's the wrong move to buy him out next summer. Another year of 888k in 2020-2021 is not as valuable as having 1.7 mil freed up this year to sign a UFA to see if he can either fit in the lineup or fetch something back in a trade

I have to think they know he'll retire next summer

Our roster looks pretty well rounded out tbh. I'm not sure we see any invites.
- hereticpride

Hopefully they find good roster chemistry

Any player that they would be able to acquire with the cap savings, likely wouldn't gain an asset by trading said player at the deadline, worth taking on the extra years on the buyout. It's a failed premise. Same as the signing of MacDonald is keeping the Flyers from offering PTO's to Ehrhoff and Franson.
- MJL

1.7 would get you fleischmann easily. A LW with skill and some speed. More value than 888k of cap space in 2021. I know...ridiculous failed premise

1.7 would get you fleischmann easily. A LW with skill and some speed. More value than 888k of cap space in 2021. I know...ridiculous failed premise
- Just5

If the Flyers wanted Fleischmann, they could've made that happen. Looking at the Flyers roster, where would Flesichmann fit in? What's so great about Fleischmann, that they needed to buyout Lecavalier?
Any thoughts given to any possible reasons why Hextall didn't want to buyout Lecavalier this Summer?

Here are the cap hits if bought out summer '15

15-16 2.88 mil
16-17 2.88 mil
17-18 2.38 mil
18-19 888k
19-20 888k
20-21 888k

Here are his cap hits if bought out summer '16

15-16 4.5 mil
16-17 2.91 mil
17-18 2.41 mil
18-19 916k
19-20 916k

Vinny is taking up more total cap space 11.65 mil opposed to 10.8 if bought out next summer. Again it's the wrong move to buy him out next summer. Another year of 888k in 2020-2021 is not as valuable as having 1.7 mil freed up this year to sign a UFA to see if he can either fit in the lineup or fetch something back in a trade

I have to think they know he'll retire next summer
- Just5

Still a possibility of mutual termination next year after his bonus money is paid. Much smaller chunk of change than this year's lump.

If the Flyers wanted Fleischmann, they could've made that happen. Looking at the Flyers roster, where would Flesichmann fit in? What's so great about Fleischmann, that they needed to buyout Lecavalier?
Any thoughts given to any possible reasons why Hextall didn't want to buyout Lecavalier this Summer?
- MJL

How do they make it happen without losing a player that they think can help the team? Any ideas on how to free up 1.7 mil? It's nice to just say things like that

I don't know if fleischmann is the right piece. I didn't think nick Schultz would be any kind of right piece last year. I know vinny is cooked.

I already laid out my thoughts on why Hextall hasn't bought him out.

My argument is that it's not worth keeping him if all they plan on doing is buying him out next year.

How do they make it happen without losing a player that they think can help the team? Any ideas on how to free up 1.7 mil? It's nice to just say things like that

I don't know if fleischmann is the right piece. I didn't think nick Schultz would be any kind of right piece last year. I know vinny is cooked.

I already laid out my thoughts on why Hextall hasn't bought him out.

My argument is that it's not worth keeping him if all they plan on doing is buying him out next year.
- Just5

What's just nice to say is they should've bought out Lecavalier, so they can sign Fleischmann.
Your last two sentences posted here makes me think that Hextall has different thoughts in making the decision not to buy out Lecavalier this off season.

Where would Flesichmann play in the lineup, if they signed him?

The Flyers could simply sign Fleischmann using their off season exemption, and if he plays well enough to make the team, one possible way to make the cap space is to waive and demote Umberger.

So what happens next off season if they had bought out Lecavalier, and Umberger doesn't bounce back this season?

Hextall could have bought out Gagner too. His buyout, given his age, would have been pennies (....plus a few hundred thousand haha). He could've traded MDZ. He could still trade someone like Schenn (though he'd best wait on that if he does). For the first time in years, the Flyers had a tiny tiny hole of breathing room this offseason and their cap future looks pretty, pretty, pretty good...relatively. But Hexy is obviously playing the long game. He isn't delusional about where this team is going into this season. He's looking a couple seasons down the line where cheap young guys will be coming in and our core guys getting contracts or having their contracts kicking in. Then maybe it would make sense to get a key contributor on a splurge deal. It makes no sense to get a player like Fleischmann or others like him, even if he is a solid 3rd liner. He isn't a real difference maker on a team with plenty of holes as it is. Not to mention I'd rather just roll, possibly, Raffl-Read-Gagner down the left side.


As for signing "someone" to a 6 yr/$30 mil deal, it's just nonsense to think that doesn't have cap/free agent repercussions. Money spent on one thing is money not spent on another in a cap world. Re-signing Voracek has serious cap/free agent repercussions. The question is whether those repercussions are worth it.

As for signing "someone" to a 6 yr/$30 mil deal, it's just nonsense to think that doesn't have cap/free agent repercussions. Money spent on one thing is money not spent on another in a cap world.
- Mononoke

Of course it does, who said that it doesn't have repercussions? The statement made was that Holmgren signing MacDonald is stopping the Flyers from bringing in Ehrhoff or Franson on a PTO. That's nonsense. You don't need an single cent of cap space to bring a player in on a PTO.
The statement you made above applies to every single player, not just one. It's nonsense to think that it only applies to one player.

Buccigross at ESPN wrote up a (revised) list of who would make each NHL team's Mt. Rushmore.......

Philadelphia Flyers

2009 team/theory: Bill Barber, Bobby Clarke, Bernie Parent and Rick Tocchet. Clarke, Barber and Parent are locks. The fourth one was difficult. I suppose lots of Flyers fans would choose Tocchet. In games played, he's not in the top 10. I thought about Ron Hextall because he was a huge personality and combined great playoff success (at least for one season) with complete insanity. Watching athletes who could snap at any moment is compelling. Tocchet was Philadelphia's version Cam Neely -- he combined goal scoring with a great ability to fight. I'm curious to see how Flyers fans will respond to this list.

2015: Claude Giroux has a great opportunity to join the mountain. Durable and productive. I love players who score more in the playoffs, when it's more difficult to score, than they do in the regular season. Giroux is one of those guys. He is a 20-goal scorer in the regular season but projects to a 30-goal scorer in the postseason. That's the kind of guy you want. So: Barber, Clarke, Giroux, Parent

Maybe G does make it after looking at his next 8 years of work....but in both his 09 and 15 projections, he doesn't even mention Lindros. Tocchet, really? I could think of a handful of others before Tocchet.

Buccigross at ESPN wrote up a (revised) list of who would make each NHL team's Mt. Rushmore.......

Maybe G does make it after looking at his next 8 years of work....but in both his 09 and 15 projections, he doesn't even mention Lindros. Tocchet, really? I could think of a handful of others before Tocchet.
- Mononoke

Tocchet wouldn't even make my Flyers Heroes placemat at Denny's.

Buccigross at ESPN wrote up a (revised) list of who would make each NHL team's Mt. Rushmore.......

Maybe G does make it after looking at his next 8 years of work....but in both his 09 and 15 projections, he doesn't even mention Lindros. Tocchet, really? I could think of a handful of others before Tocchet.
- Mononoke

I agree, love Tocchett, but not on the mount.

Buccigross at ESPN wrote up a (revised) list of who would make each NHL team's Mt. Rushmore.......

Maybe G does make it after looking at his next 8 years of work....but in both his 09 and 15 projections, he doesn't even mention Lindros. Tocchet, really? I could think of a handful of others before Tocchet.
- Mononoke

I would put Pelle on. I know the longevity isn't there, but no one had dawned the 31 since. He is still a big deal.

I know it's weird to have 2 goalies on, I just can't argue with the other 3 he chose.

I would put Pelle on. I know the longevity isn't there, but no one had dawned the 31 since. He is still a big deal.

I know it's weird to have 2 goalies on, I just can't argue with the other 3 he chose.
- MatveiDmitrii

Good choice, I'd go with Mark Howe. 4 Flyers players are in the HOF.

I would put Pelle on. I know the longevity isn't there, but no one had dawned the 31 since. He is still a big deal.

I know it's weird to have 2 goalies on, I just can't argue with the other 3 he chose.
- MatveiDmitrii

Howe would be my choice as the 4th. Then Lindros. Then probably Giroux or Hexy.

Yeah Howe was a stud. Definitely Lindros over Tocchet.

Tocchet wouldn't even make my Flyers Heroes placemat at Denny's.
- Jsaquella

Howe would be my choice as the 4th. Then Lindros. Then probably Giroux or Hexy.
- Jsaquella

Howe, to me, is a no-brainer as the fourth player.

- bmeltzer

He'd prefer him to be on a limited edition 7-11 slurpee cup

Right now I would go Clarke, Snider, Lindros

To me it doesn't have to be the players with the best stats. It's the people that immediately come to mind when I think flyer hockey. In 5-10 years Hexy could replace lindros if things go well

It should totally be Howe with Lindros as the runner-up. Who knows in some years it could easily be Mason, Giroux, Voracek or maybe even Sanheim/Provorov.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...tes-Next-Season/200/70461