Interesting take on the concept of rushing players James.

I disagree with you. I look at real life examples of teams that have rushed players and teams that haven't. The Oilers having rushed players and the Red Wings having not. I think the results speak for themselves.
- rangerdanger94

What about when the Oilers win three of the next five Cups? What then?

This isn't in order is it? Cause Weber ain't a top ten Dman anymore, in my opnion.

You also don't have Leddy on here, who is.

Brodie, Muzzin, Ekblad and Sekera are all better than Josi. Where they at? Decent list though man, I've seen worse (probably made a worse one too to be honest)
- James_Tanner

Wrong, so, so, very wrong. So leddy is top ten and Weber isn't. Hmm it takes a lot of balls to consistently post such turds on the Internet. Ekblad may become a top pairing defenceman in the league, however top ten lists are for the here and now.
Otherwise I could post a turd of my own; Bo horvat is a better centre then Crosby, Getzlaf and Toews.
Now, that turd that I just posted would not in a million years be dreamed of as true, however by you logic using future performance as a basis for my statement I can comfortably predict that there will be a year (pre or post retirement) when Crosby has either hung them up (not even good enough to play in the nhl) while horvat is still an everyday player.
So as far as this turd that I am laying out in your blog goes, it's a really stinky, multiple wipe grease stain, kinda like stating that Josi is not as good as Ekblad(one day, probably in a year or two maybe, but not today).

Please don't confuse this with who I'd rather have on my team because then you need to consider contact status and potential, not who is the better player right now.

What about when the Oilers win three of the next five Cups? What then?
- James_Tanner

Then we can say 'hey let's use the oiler model and draft 1st overall for a decade until some of our players are ready'

Until then it's an incorrect statement of truth.

Because there's better guys than him overall. Like, I'd take Leddy over Weber at this point in their careers.
- James_Tanner

Hmm. Interesting.

Because there's better guys than him overall. Like, I'd take Leddy over Weber at this point in their careers.
- James_Tanner

You have a true #1 D that franchises drool over having that happens to be entering the prime of his career. A guy that was among the best players on the best hockey team on the planet, along with Doughty and Price.

On the other hand, you have a borderline top pairing guy that may be 6 years younger but will likely never be a bonafide top dman.

Ones skills will erode tremendously as his skating disappears, whereas the other will continue to be able to take the body and unleash a wicked shot.

I'm not sure if you just can't back down from your outlandish claims or if you truly feel this way.

If it's the latter, you should consider blogging about a topic of which you surely have more knowledge......like knitting.

You have a true #1 D that franchises drool over having that happens to be entering the prime of his career. A guy that was among the best players on the best hockey team on the planet, along with Doughty and Price.

On the other hand, you have a borderline top pairing guy that may be 6 years younger but will likely never be a bonafide top dman.

Ones skills will erode tremendously as his skating disappears, whereas the other will continue to be able to take the body and unleash a wicked shot.

I'm not sure if you just can't back down from your outlandish claims or if you truly feel this way.

If it's the latter, you should consider blogging about a topic of which you surely have more knowledge......like knitting.
- golfingsince

I think that it must be the heat.... or the acid, one or the other.

What about when the Oilers win three of the next five Cups? What then?
- James_Tanner

- Nucker101

What about when the Oilers win three of the next five Cups? What then?
- James_Tanner

If I was a betting man, I would say the chances of that are slim.

If I was a betting man, I would say the chances of that are non-existent.
- rangerdanger94

Fixed

Luke schenn

No it isn't. Players have limited years in which they can play the game, keeping them in the minors to control their cost is immoral.

It's also unnecessary if you think about it because the odds of timing it so that you have a bunch of really good high-end prospects on ECLs along with a rosters worth of expensive star players so that you can work-around the salary cap are incredibly long.

The Ducks sort of did it when Perry and Getzlaf were rookies and they added Pronger and Niedermeyer, but I can't think of another example where it was really close. The Hawks didnt' win until they burned through Kane and Toews ECLs and neither did the Penguins. (Maybe they were close, I'd have to check).

Point is, like first round picks, faceoffs and body checks, ECLs matter, just not in the way that they're made out to be.
- James_Tanner

Pretty sure every cup winner since the inception of the cap has had players on ELC that helped them win ...Carolina,Anaheim, Pitt , Detroit , Chicago, LA all had players on ELC playing roles in their cup wins ... Boston had seguin too but he really only played a role in a game or two

You have a true #1 D that franchises drool over having that happens to be entering the prime of his career. A guy that was among the best players on the best hockey team on the planet, along with Doughty and Price.

On the other hand, you have a borderline top pairing guy that may be 6 years younger but will likely never be a bonafide top dman.

Ones skills will erode tremendously as his skating disappears, whereas the other will continue to be able to take the body and unleash a wicked shot.

I'm not sure if you just can't back down from your outlandish claims or if you truly feel this way.

If it's the latter, you should consider blogging about a topic of which you surely have more knowledge......like knitting.
- golfingsince

I love how mean uniformed people are. I guarantee that you have a) never seen Leddy play and b) have no idea how good he is.

Wrong, so, so, very wrong. So leddy is top ten and Weber isn't. Hmm it takes a lot of balls to consistently post such turds on the Internet. Ekblad may become a top pairing defenceman in the league, however top ten lists are for the here and now.
Otherwise I could post a turd of my own; Bo horvat is a better centre then Crosby, Getzlaf and Toews.
Now, that turd that I just posted would not in a million years be dreamed of as true, however by you logic using future performance as a basis for my statement I can comfortably predict that there will be a year (pre or post retirement) when Crosby has either hung them up (not even good enough to play in the nhl) while horvat is still an everyday player.
So as far as this turd that I am laying out in your blog goes, it's a really stinky, multiple wipe grease stain, kinda like stating that Josi is not as good as Ekblad(one day, probably in a year or two maybe, but not today).

Please don't confuse this with who I'd rather have on my team because then you need to consider contact status and potential, not who is the better player right now.
- Pres.cup

Nick Leddy is better than Shea Weber right now. Not in the future, last season. If you don't agree, please use something other than condescension. Try to formulate a non-reputation based argument or try to speak like someone who isn't eleven.

I love how mean uniformed people are. I guarantee that you have a) never seen Leddy play and b) have no idea how good he is.
- James_Tanner

I've seen Leddy play a bunch....live. I've also seen Weber play a bunch....live. You may be the only person on the planet that thinks Leddy is better, including his own mother.

Maybe you're talking about Yannick Weber.......then I agree.

A good blog could be written about your meds, and why you need to start taking them again.

Careful Tanner, the more you type, the easier it is for people to realize that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Confidence and momentum are absolutely real. Proven by countless examples imo.

You don't wanna set your kids up to lose that.
If you can put them in a position to succeed with real insulation, go for it.
If you're gonna feed em to the wolves as the go to players on a weak team, you're really not accomplishing much imo.

I think the real myth is that by sending 18 year olds down, you're doing them and your squad some kind of disservice. Why not give them an opportunity to achieve success at the pro level in a lesser league while exposing them to first line mins and the toughest competition available?

I don't see how the coyotes are worse through strome getting 60 points in the A, then 30 on a bottom feeding yotes team

I don't think draisaitl was hurt by playing in the show last year, but his impact certainly diminished as his struggles (and the teams) continued.
But he was dominant when sent back. In hindsight, maybe exposing him to what he's gonna see this year was a good thing, but I'd assume hedve been sent back from the get go if they could do it all over again

Nick Leddy is better than Shea Weber right now. Not in the future, last season. If you don't agree, please use something other than condescension. Try to formulate a non-reputation based argument or try to speak like someone who isn't eleven.
- James_Tanner

As requested
Shea Weber 15 goals, 45 points, average TOI 26min
Nick Leddy 10 goals, 37 points, TOI 20min
Yannick Weber 11 goals, 21 points, TOI 17mi
Stats don't lie, Shea is better then Nick who is better then Yannick although I'd argue that leddy is closer to Yannick then to Shea.

Are we done here?

As requested
Shea Weber 15 goals, 45 points, average TOI 26min
Nick Leddy 10 goals, 37 points, TOI 20min
Yannick Weber 11 goals, 21 points, TOI 17mi
Stats don't lie, Shea is better then Nick who is better then Yannick although I'd argue that leddy is closer to Yannick then to Shea.

Are we done here?
- Pres.cup

Even if weber didn't have better totals, Tanners contentions are always flawed cause he only sees number and puts no stock in actual game play.

It's not just reputation that weber is better than leddy. He's a far more dominant player in every situation than leddy is.
These are the kind of comments where tanner loses any credibility, cause he actually believes that an advanced stat he likes actually says gardiner and leddy are in webers class. It's laughable

Tanner's watched moneyball one too many times

Nick Leddy is better than Shea Weber right now. Not in the future, last season. If you don't agree, please use something other than condescension. Try to formulate a non-reputation based argument or try to speak like someone who isn't eleven.
- James_Tanner

No, he isn't.

If you can find even 1 person on this entire forum to agree with you that isn't a double account that you yourself operate, I'll admit I'm wrong.

Careful Tanner, the more you type, the easier it is for people to realize that you have no idea what you are talking about.
- BruHAWK

Nick Leddy is better than Shea Weber right now. Not in the future, last season. If you don't agree, please use something other than condescension. Try to formulate a non-reputation based argument or try to speak like someone who isn't eleven.
- James_Tanner

Ooooohhh and to your contention that Josi is not in the discussion to be in the top ten Dman in the league while Ekblad should be.
Josi 15 goals, 55 points, 26min
Ekblad 12 goals, 39 points, 23min
Need I go on. ..... and on and on.