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vancity787
Vancouver Canucks
Location: My Parents Basement, BC
Joined: 07.14.2008

Aug 15 @ 6:56 PM ET
Where are the Jay fans today?
- VANTEL

Drinking beers, Enjoying myself. packing boxes, its all fun.

So we lost. Big deal. Didnt think they were going to win their last 50 games.
rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Aug 15 @ 6:58 PM ET
Your concern for this team is touching. Touching in the disturbing perverted way.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Yeah ... Like Tummy Sticks disturbing...
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Aug 15 @ 7:59 PM ET
lots of old players, expensive contracts, NTCs, refusing to rebuild completely...

i think the leafs have proven this won't work.

linden is only saying this because he has no choice, it's not like he will trade the sedins and it's not like he can trade miller.

they will inevitably start actually rebuilding once the sedins move on. until then at least he's willing to give the youngers ample ice time, something the leafs rarely did.

- sensnucksnocups


Oppps, someone left the kids door open again. ..........
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 15 @ 8:13 PM ET
Lions look horrible
The_Kuze
Joined: 01.26.2012

Aug 15 @ 8:54 PM ET
It's the CFL or should I say constant flag league. Who gives a crap about CFL real football starts in under a month hooray!!
Fereldyn
Ottawa Senators
Location: Halifax, NS
Joined: 08.15.2015

Aug 15 @ 9:04 PM ET
They've got Brandon Prust now... why on earth would they rebuild?

...

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 15 @ 9:24 PM ET
They've got Brandon Prust now... why on earth would they rebuild?

...


- Fereldyn

Exactly
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 15 @ 9:28 PM ET
It's the CFL or should I say constant flag league. Who gives a crap about CFL real football starts in under a month hooray!!
- The_Kuze

Elitist
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 15 @ 9:36 PM ET
Was today the day Ryper ended it. Seeing some tweets paying respect to him.
rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Aug 15 @ 9:39 PM ET
Sure is funny to hear Trevor give Calgary's forecheck ( ie: execution ) against our D ... Sbisa and his partner that he refuses to name-- Guys here need to give credit where credit is due. Calgary was the better team. They exposed our atrocious D core.
rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Aug 15 @ 9:42 PM ET
Was today the day Ryper ended it. Seeing some tweets paying respect to him.
- VANTEL


Would have loved to see Ryper take Marchands head off in that '11 run. Would have been priceless.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 15 @ 9:55 PM ET
Would have loved to see Ryper take Marchands head off in that '11 run. Would have been priceless.
- rugdnit

I heard a story and have no idea if it is true or not, maybe someone here knows. I heard his Fiancée was on her way to see him play and was killed in a car crash. If it is true , it is easy to understand the depression?

Did anyone else her that?
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Aug 15 @ 10:26 PM ET
I heard a story and have no idea if it is true or not, maybe someone here knows. I heard his Fiancée was on her way to see him play and was killed in a car crash. If it is true , it is easy to understand the depression?

Did anyone else her that?

- VANTEL


I've never heard of anything related to this aspect. However, you would figure that would be a key point or element as concerns the days leading up to his death, and what type of state of mind he was in. Hence, you think something like that, which would have been devastating to anyone - let alone a person who was already predisposed to depression, would have been included in any of the posthumous write-ups. But perhaps someone else knows further details and could properly confirm.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Aug 15 @ 10:49 PM ET
Where are the Jay fans today?
- VANTEL


Leno retired a year ago.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Aug 15 @ 10:54 PM ET
The whitecaps are up 3-1 with 20 minutes left and the announcer starts talking about how great this win is. I couldn't believe it... It's now 3-3 with 5 mins left.
Edit: they lose 4-3.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Aug 15 @ 11:05 PM ET
Lions look horrible
- VANTEL

They do.

Normally I have enjoyed the CFL in the past but I will admit the past few seasons have been increasingly hard to watch. Real lack of marquee talent and you would swear there are high school teams out there at times. Most of the high end QB's are hurt this year and the goofy rule changes...just isn't the same. I hope the league does something to fix it soon as it is getting progressively worse.

Really looking forward to the NFL.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Aug 15 @ 11:10 PM ET
Would have loved to see Ryper take Marchands head off in that '11 run. Would have been priceless.
- rugdnit

Very true as it would have been nice to see SOMEONE take Marchands head off in that series. Bieksa and Torres pulled their disappearing act after game 2 regardless of the Rome suspension. Too bad Hammer was hurt...a hip check to Marchands knees would have done the trick...

kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Aug 15 @ 11:52 PM ET
This is such a fallacy it's not even funny. The only team, IMO, that's successfully tried to lose and it paid off for them is Pittsburgh (Mario Lemieux). And furthermore, they didn't get Crosby thru losing, they won a wide open frickin lottery that any team could have won. Other teams have been bad for a few seasons during transition years but they didn't "purposely" try to lose.

Chicago, as an example had two good picks, 3rd overall in Toews and the 5th overall pick where they were lucky enough to win the lottery. Los Angeles had ONE top three pick on their two Cup teams.

Teams like the Oilers and Buffalo and the NYI have great potential, but potential means nothing until it's realized...none of them have won jack sh!t.

Canucks have had five 1st rounds picks in the past three years, including a 6th & 9th overall and they're about to get some good picks in the next three from simply hitting the end of their competitive cycle.

They need to continue to draft well and the higher picks will come as I said, an obvious tank job is idiotic because a lot more teams have won without tanking than have.

- LeftCoaster

you are 100% correct.

it's just the steaming pos on here who don't bother with facts that actively WANT the team to lose... Linden and company have the right idea to instill a culture where winning is the only option and losing is for losers...
rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Aug 15 @ 11:54 PM ET
Very true as it would have been nice to see SOMEONE take Marchands head off in that series. Bieksa and Torres pulled their disappearing act after game 2 regardless of the Rome suspension. Too bad Hammer was hurt...a hip check to Marchands knees would have done the trick...


- LordHumungous


Shoulda' Coulda' Woulda' eh boys?

Oh well... It really sucked to see the comedy of errors and bad luck hit them when it mattered most.

Without the Hamhuis injury and the Kesler injury ( and his act catching up with him ) perhaps things would have been different.

I never had the attachment to that '11 team like I did the '94 team.

Hopefully one day in our lifetime we will see them go all the way.

kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Aug 15 @ 11:57 PM ET
Is that lafayette?

Ya that was a half an inch away from in.
Gelina also wide open net, ronning, linden, hedican, bure put it across goal line twice..... the hockey gods were just not tipping their hat that night.

Vancouver has wanted linden at the helm since his retirement..... and that night is what secured the team presidency

- SMBDragon


Didn't the Rags get their goals on the PP.... was pure murder out there if you were in a Canucks jersey...
rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Aug 16 @ 12:01 AM ET
Didn't the Rags get their goals on the PP.... was pure murder out there if you were in a Canucks jersey...
- kaptaan


I still remember that game 7 for it's incredible pace and all the chances Vancouver had. Perhaps the Rangers had some magnets in the ice and the pucks
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Aug 16 @ 12:01 AM ET
The whitecaps are up 3-1 with 20 minutes left and the announcer starts talking about how great this win is. I couldn't believe it... It's now 3-3 with 5 mins left.
Edit: they lose 4-3.

- Scooby_Doo


I went to that COCACAF game against the Sounders. It was a little disappointing, they rested so many of their regulars... I think it was all of them. They are getting some momentum, hope they don't take it for granted.
FiretheGM
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.16.2011

Aug 16 @ 1:43 AM ET
This is such a fallacy it's not even funny. The only team, IMO, that's successfully tried to lose and it paid off for them is Pittsburgh (Mario Lemieux). And furthermore, they didn't get Crosby thru losing, they won a wide open frickin lottery that any team could have won. Other teams have been bad for a few seasons during transition years but they didn't "purposely" try to lose.

Chicago, as an example had two good picks, 3rd overall in Toews and the 5th overall pick where they were lucky enough to win the lottery. Los Angeles had ONE top three pick on their two Cup teams.

Teams like the Oilers and Buffalo and the NYI have great potential, but potential means nothing until it's realized...none of them have won jack sh!t.

Canucks have had five 1st rounds picks in the past three years, including a 6th & 9th overall and they're about to get some good picks in the next three from simply hitting the end of their competitive cycle.

They need to continue to draft well and the higher picks will come as I said, an obvious tank job is idiotic because a lot more teams have won without tanking than have.

- LeftCoaster


I hate to be that guy, but what have the canucks won again? oh right nothing. stanley cup final lost, we did that too. Bad teams get high picks, that is how the system works.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Aug 16 @ 2:47 AM ET
I heard a story and have no idea if it is true or not, maybe someone here knows. I heard his Fiancée was on her way to see him play and was killed in a car crash. If it is true , it is easy to understand the depression?

Did anyone else her that?

- VANTEL


I believe that was another player... one of the revolving RWers with the Sedins, Taylor Pyatt I think it was.
MattFreaknEllis
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.30.2015

Aug 16 @ 3:41 AM ET
This is such a fallacy it's not even funny. The only team, IMO, that's successfully tried to lose and it paid off for them is Pittsburgh (Mario Lemieux). And furthermore, they didn't get Crosby thru losing, they won a wide open frickin lottery that any team could have won. Other teams have been bad for a few seasons during transition years but they didn't "purposely" try to lose.

Chicago, as an example had two good picks, 3rd overall in Toews and the 5th overall pick where they were lucky enough to win the lottery. Los Angeles had ONE top three pick on their two Cup teams.

Teams like the Oilers and Buffalo and the NYI have great potential, but potential means nothing until it's realized...none of them have won jack sh!t.

Canucks have had five 1st rounds picks in the past three years, including a 6th & 9th overall and they're about to get some good picks in the next three from simply hitting the end of their competitive cycle.

They need to continue to draft well and the higher picks will come as I said, an obvious tank job is idiotic because a lot more teams have won without tanking than have.

- LeftCoaster


Consider the teams who have recently executed the "tear it down and build it back up" approach and the players they received due to the high picks. Notice how oftentimes all they need are two key players and if they draft high more than that it is because the players did not pan out:

Chicago- Toews(3rd overall), Kane(1), Cam Barker(3,useless). I'd say it worked

Tampa- Stamkos(1), Hedman(2), Brett Connolly(not with the team). Made the cup finals and damn near won it and look to be a contender for many years. I'd say this also worked

LA- Doughty(2), Kopitar(11), Hickey(4), Brayden Schenn(5). Won two cups. Once again, I'd say it worked

Buffalo- Jack Eichel(2), Samson Reinhart(2), Rasmus Ristolainen(8). TBD as we are just beginning the "build it up" phase, but I like our chances. Note we *only* have received 2 top 5 picks (I predict next year we will select between5-8).

Edmonton- McDavid(1), Draisaitl(3), Nurse(7), Yakupov(1), Nuge(1), Hall(1), Sam Gagner(6). They are the anomaly as they are the only team to continuously draft high and continue to (frank) it up. Having said that, they are another team that is trending up and will be very scary in a few years so I still like their chances of this succeeding.

NYI- Okposo(7), J Bailey(9), Tavares(1), Nino Niederreiter(5), R Strome(5), Grif Reinhart(4), Michael Dal Colle(5). They weren't good for a very long time, but they have finally figured it out and had one of the better possession teams in the league last year and appear to be a contender for many years.

I wouldn't call any of these a "bad" situation. All of them should be perennial contenders that make up the next wave of "LA's" or "Chicago's" and I would be thrilled to be a fan of any of these organizations.
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