A lot of the problem was not having the high picks, traded away for rentals at tdl, and some questionable choices otherwise. The cupboards were completely bare a few years ago, nobody from the minors was pushing for a top 6 spot or much else.

Can't speak of any knowledge or process for prior drafting or decision making.
- hillbillydeluxe

Not having top 10 picks definitely makes it a lot harder. I was just curious if the so-called experts had predicted a dearth of prospects or not. I personally don't think they really have any better idea of who is going to develop and who isn't than any random fan.

I was thinking the biggest factor in the Kesler trade, could be McCann. and that being the case, he might or might not turn out and before that is even determined, he could still be traded for another prospect or pick, etc...

Either way, you are right, it has to play out a bit if you want to judge more than what is on paper, some real on ice play and results.

I hope they stream the young stars again or put it on cable.
- hillbillydeluxe

Me too. Always enjoy watching the kids play.

It's just so hard to say what is a failure or a success before anything plays out.

I was ready for house cleaning after 2012, so this is long overdue in my eyes.

Booner! What are talking about? JB sucks!!!! the Canucks drafting for the past 45 years is all his fault! Everything wrong in the history of the Canucks is his fault!!!

And he's fat!


Signed,

Nucker
- chompsey

Thank you! That's all I'm really trying to say.

Thank you! That's all I'm really trying to say.
- Nucker101

Its basically the gist of all your commentary these days.....

I get enough doom and gloom at home from the wife.....hence I rarely come to this emo factory anymore....

Me too. Always enjoy watching the kids play.

It's just so hard to say what is a failure or a success before anything plays out.

I was ready for house cleaning after 2012, so this is long overdue in my eyes.
- rugdnit

Mismanaged and moves hampered by NTC's and crazy contracts.

I don't think the Lu contract was that bad if the plan was for him to retire a Canuck. So when you have a young blue chip goalie on your hands like CS, you have to make a choice and move on. Are you going to keep the guy you just committed serious term and dollars to or this young future #1 goalie in CS? If if it isn't Lu, you move him as soon as you can. If you say the choice was already made when Lu signed his contract, then you showcase CS and you get that pick from NJ sooner or an even better deal elsewhere.

When we traded away Grabner, I was confused. Thought Grabner had shown signs of making a similar contribution as Raymond, was younger and cheaper... Why use Grabner as a throw in when they could have kept him and traded Raymond for a better return? and saved on the cap hit?

But like you said before, we are not privy to all the details or what options were available. Too much all in has hurt this club and yet at times remained competitive despite these poor moves by management.

Its basically the gist of all your commentary these days.....

I get enough doom and gloom at home from the wife.....hence I rarely come to this emo factory anymore....
- chompsey

Totes.

Totes.
- Nucker101

Whine whine whine. Canucks fans are the worst. I have season tickets and the atmosphere at the rink is horrible. All I can hear is myself cheering!

Benning is on a role and will have a ton of ammunition next year with cap space and some holes to fill. The Cap ain't going up so say hello to some cap strapped teams cast offs.

I think we are in great position and if we stink this year (I hope we do, the only time I'd ever root against the team) we get a high draft pick and can sell off guys on expiring contracts. I think Benning has done this on purpose as all the contracts he's signed or traded for shows this (except Sutter).

Look at the big picture is all I'm saying. Boohoo, we got rid of Bieksa and Bonino, the sky is falling
- fubtastik

It says on your avatar you are a Canuck fan. Did you just call yourself the worst?

I think gaunce should be on that list too

and some numbskulls keep claiming the Kings have a bad prospect pool...

the point is that the Nux need to develop players... even if the Kings don't have great prospects they seem to turn them into actual players, not wasted resources like Nux or other teams...

hopefully dumping ron delorme as chief scout is a start. Not sure who our "mike futa" is...

It would be interesting to see how teams stack up for current players who were drafted and developed in the 10 years prior to what was posted in the blog. Also, I feel like players like Tanev and Burrows should be included even though the we're not drafted by the (any) team because they most certainly were developed in the team's system.

It would be interesting to see how teams stack up for current players who were drafted and developed in the 10 years prior to what was posted in the blog. Also, I feel like players like Tanev and Burrows should be included even though the we're not drafted by the (any) team because they most certainly were developed in the team's system.
- 1970vintage

I like the development Canucks have put in , over the last couple of years.

Gillis took aim at making sure the farm club mirrored the parent club. When players get called up they usually fit right in and don't look out of place.

I like the development Canucks have put in , over the last couple of years.

Gillis took aim at making sure the farm club mirrored the parent club. When players get called up they usually fit right in and don't look out of place.
- VANTEL

Yeah, I was just thinking that there are a number of "core" players who were drafted long before 2005 who are still playing for the team, I wonder how other teams stack up in that regard. Also, because there were so many players who all matured together, and were supplemented with UFA / trade players for the 2010/11/12 seasons, there really has been little room for prospects to make the jump, thankfully so, as there really wasn't anything there.

thank you carol I was pondering that very question about boeser yesterday....if he could be in camp and even make the team or if his status would prevent it.

Perhaps you have not been around in a while. I am completely happy with Benning.

At least he had the courage to defy the whiners and clean out the aging core.
- rugdnit

Perhaps, rugdnit, you have not been around long enough. The Canucks drafting issues seem to have started with a flip of the coin in 1970 and while they have a few gems over the years, the draft has not exactly been something to write home about.

In those 45 years they drafted:
1 hall of fame player
6 winers of major awards (Sedins, the Benning traded Kelser, the booted out the door Schneider, Bure and Bennigns boss, Linden)
9 players who managed to play 500 games included playoffs. (4 are still with the team, 2 traded by Benning, plus Smyll, Butcher & Ohlund)

As I say, drafting a potential winner is a bizarre happenstance in the Canuck world

Perhaps, rugdnit, you have not been around long enough. The Canucks drafting issues seem to have started with a flip of the coin in 1970 and while they have a few gems over the years, the draft has not exactly been something to write home about.

In those 45 years they drafted:
1 hall of fame player
6 winers of major awards (Sedins, the Benning traded Kelser, the booted out the door Schneider, Bure and Bennigns boss, Linden)
9 players who managed to play 500 games included playoffs. (4 are still with the team, 2 traded by Benning, plus Smyll, Butcher & Ohlund)

As I say, drafting a potential winner is a bizarre happenstance in the Canuck world
- Lostinarink

Seems like the data base i used sucked. (never trust wikipedia)

I missed a whole raft of people - Umberger, Raymond, allen, ruutu, cooke, Schaefer, Scatchard, walker, Peca, Aucion, cullimore, nedved, slegr, odjick, ward, valk, stern, sandlak, kron etc

And in the you can't make this stuff up category - Jarred (from Subway fame) arrested on child porn charges

And in the you can't make this stuff up category - Jarred (from Subway fame) arrested on child porn charges
- Zogg

He'll be taking a footlong in prison.

I have liked what I have seen from Boeser so far, but I don't know enough about him after going the USHL route. Is it fair to hope/expect him to follow the same path as Larkin?
- WhiteLie

he's definitely not on the same level as larkin but he will likely still be a good top 6 fwd. he'll show he's a step above virtanen in a year or 2 max.

He'll be taking a footlong in prison.
- golfingsince

Hope he likes his dark meat sandwiches

He'll be taking a footlong in prison.
- golfingsince

He'll be taking a footlong in prison.
- golfingsince

Ok I know I shouldn't laugh but that was quite funny

(as was the dark meat reference )

I think gaunce should be on that list too
- SMBDragon

I want to see him on the 4th line for sure. Kid is jacked and made a lot of progress last year.

I think he deserves a shot. I hope he steps up and takes it.

Hope he likes his dark meat sandwiches
- Nucker101

Mismanaged and moves hampered by NTC's and crazy contracts.

I don't think the Lu contract was that bad if the plan was for him to retire a Canuck. So when you have a young blue chip goalie on your hands like CS, you have to make a choice and move on. Are you going to keep the guy you just committed serious term and dollars to or this young future #1 goalie in CS? If if it isn't Lu, you move him as soon as you can. If you say the choice was already made when Lu signed his contract, then you showcase CS and you get that pick from NJ sooner or an even better deal elsewhere.

When we traded away Grabner, I was confused. Thought Grabner had shown signs of making a similar contribution as Raymond, was younger and cheaper... Why use Grabner as a throw in when they could have kept him and traded Raymond for a better return? and saved on the cap hit?

But like you said before, we are not privy to all the details or what options were available. Too much all in has hurt this club and yet at times remained competitive despite these poor moves by management.
- hillbillydeluxe

Without a doubt. What I don't get is that I heard very early on from a couple friends in the loop that Lou and his wife hated it in VAN. I mean H A T E D it there. You would think that mgt would be more in tune with everything and recognize that tying a guy down to a big contract who in his heart doesn't want to be there... Is a mistake.