Carol, say more about the "bait and switch". That's quite a statement. Other than saying their stats were good and other teams would love to have them you didn't back it up. If you are attempting to quantify players and points the conversation becomes more involved. Who are their line mates?. Who is playing defense? Who is in goal? And what type of system are they playing, etc. I really think this was a pro/propaganda Sendin blog without any merit to back it up.

Carol, say more about the "bait and switch". That's quite a statement. Other than saying their stats were good and other teams would love to have them you didn't back it up. If you are attempting to quantify players and points the conversation becomes more involved. Who are their line mates?. Who is playing defense? Who is in goal? And what type of system are they playing, etc. I really think this was a pro/propaganda Sendin blog without any merit to back it up.
- Capsnut

Are you for real? pro/propaganda Sedin blog? all of what you said is irrelevant in the course of an 82 game schedule. Every player faces the same goalies, players, defense etc - throughout the course of the season. So what exactly are you trying to imply? if what you say is true then virtually every player should have similar success as the Sedins, given they face the exact same players/goalies/defense etc.

The Sedins have proven time and time again that they are Top 20 players going way back, and they continue to be two of the best in the league. What's even more impressive is, they have done this without (for the most part) having a second line to take the pressure of them. Yet, despite being the focus of every team's top checking line they still manage to be very successful.

I suggest you look up the Sedin stats for the last ten years and then revisit this conversation at that time. You are WAY off on your comments that this is a pro Sedin piece without the merit to back it up. It's based on factual data and having watched the Sedins for years and years. So, what else could you possibly need in order to understand that (other than how about actually watching them play)

Are you for real? pro/propaganda Sedin blog? all of what you said is irrelevant in the course of an 82 game schedule. Every player faces the same goalies, players, defense etc - throughout the course of the season. So what exactly are you trying to imply? if what you say is true then virtually every player should have similar success as the Sedins, given they face the exact same players/goalies/defense etc.

The Sedins have proven time and time again that they are Top 20 players going way back, and they continue to be two of the best in the league. What's even more impressive is, they have done this without (for the most part) having a second line to take the pressure of them. Yet, despite being the focus of every team's top checking line they still manage to be very successful.

I suggest you look up the Sedin stats for the last ten years and then revisit this conversation at that time. You are WAY off on your comments that this is a pro Sedin piece without the merit to back it up. It's based on factual data and having watched the Sedins for years and years. So, what else could you possibly need in order to understand that (other than how about actually watching them play)
- Zogg

Well said Zogg... 2 thumbs up

Carol, say more about the "bait and switch". That's quite a statement. Other than saying their stats were good and other teams would love to have them you didn't back it up. If you are attempting to quantify players and points the conversation becomes more involved. Who are their line mates?. Who is playing defense? Who is in goal? And what type of system are they playing, etc. I really think this was a pro/propaganda Sendin blog without any merit to back it up.
- Capsnut

Ass hat...

Carol, say more about the "bait and switch". That's quite a statement. Other than saying their stats were good and other teams would love to have them you didn't back it up. If you are attempting to quantify players and points the conversation becomes more involved. Who are their line mates?. Who is playing defense? Who is in goal? And what type of system are they playing, etc. I really think this was a pro/propaganda Sendin blog without any merit to back it up.
- Capsnut

Wow dude all those years of watching OvenChicken play a 100' game has seriously clouded your brain.

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ts/pdisplay.php?pid=34007

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ts/pdisplay.php?pid=34004

Glad I could help ya out.

Are you for real? pro/propaganda Sedin blog? all of what you said is irrelevant in the course of an 82 game schedule. Every player faces the same goalies, players, defense etc - throughout the course of the season. So what exactly are you trying to imply? if what you say is true then virtually every player should have similar success as the Sedins, given they face the exact same players/goalies/defense etc.

The Sedins have proven time and time again that they are Top 20 players going way back, and they continue to be two of the best in the league. What's even more impressive is, they have done this without (for the most part) having a second line to take the pressure of them. Yet, despite being the focus of every team's top checking line they still manage to be very successful.

I suggest you look up the Sedin stats for the last ten years and then revisit this conversation at that time. You are WAY off on your comments that this is a pro Sedin piece without the merit to back it up. It's based on factual data and having watched the Sedins for years and years. So, what else could you possibly need in order to understand that (other than how about actually watching them play)
- Zogg

Carol, say more about the "bait and switch". That's quite a statement. Other than saying their stats were good and other teams would love to have them you didn't back it up. If you are attempting to quantify players and points the conversation becomes more involved. Who are their line mates?. Who is playing defense? Who is in goal? And what type of system are they playing, etc. I really think this was a pro/propaganda Sendin blog without any merit to back it up.
- Capsnut

My main point in using the phrase "bait and switch" is that typically, in the publishing industry, when someone is featured on a magazine cover you'll usually find some sort of feature on that person inside the magazine.

Hockey yearbooks often use regional covers featuring the stars of local teams so here in B.C., we get Daniel and Henrik on our Hockey News Yearbook cover—which has been the case many times over the years.

I haven't read the whole issue from cover-to-cover yet but as far as I can tell, the only mention the twins receive is in the Canucks' four-page team spread.

I'm disappointed that their images get used to sell magazines but the editors don't deem them worthy of any coverage—including spots I think they deserve among the league's Top 50 players (and that's not fantasy picks - it's supposed to be the Top 50 players in the league).

You are a smuck

The prognosticators all seem ready to bury the Sedins because of their age. The truth is, other than the Torts year, they've been pretty solid and durable even past their Art Ross seasons. I'd expect the touts to keep betting against them since they are bound to be right one of these years.

You are a smuck
- razrsege007

I'm going to assume that you're talking to yourself.

If the Ndp win im moving to the states. please please please dont let them ruin our great country
- The_Kuze

We have to have faith that our fellow Canadians arent that stupid.
Luckily people in provinces that theyve previously ruined like ours havent forgotten.

Carol, say more about the "bait and switch". That's quite a statement. Other than saying their stats were good and other teams would love to have them you didn't back it up. If you are attempting to quantify players and points the conversation becomes more involved. Who are their line mates?. Who is playing defense? Who is in goal? And what type of system are they playing, etc. I really think this was a pro/propaganda Sendin blog without any merit to back it up.
- Capsnut

I love this guys logic. Because he doesnt know the answers to his own simple irrelevant questions about the Sedins,,, there's nothing to back up that the Sedins are top 50 players still...

Carol is right and it shouldnt even be in question when you simply look at their numbers still.

I love this guys logic. Because he doesnt know the answers to his own simple irrelevant questions about the Sedins,,, there's nothing to back up that the Sedins are top 50 players still...

Carol is right and it shouldnt even be in question when you simply look at their numbers still.



- boonerbuck

Take it easy on him. It's about time someone stood up to all of the pro-Sedin related propaganda out there. Yeah they are great players who give back to the community, despite that community not always exactly embracing them; and yeah, they've put the Canucks on their backs and dragged them towards respectability, despite a less than stellar supporting cast; and yes, they put up unheard of possession numbers last post season that would make even the most devoted advanced stat follower wet themselves; but seriously the guys are gingers. Gross.

Take it easy on him. It's about time someone stood up to all of the pro-Sedin related propaganda out there. Yeah they are great players who give back to the community, despite that community not always exactly embracing them; and yeah, they've put the Canucks on their backs and dragged them towards respectability, despite a less than stellar supporting cast; and yes, they put up unheard of possession numbers last post season that would make even the most devoted advanced stat follower wet themselves; but seriously the guys are gingers. Gross.
- CubanBuffet

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Henrik is tied with Bobby Orr for career points at 915....he must be great!!

Henrik is tied with Bobby Orr for career points at 915....he must be great!!
- LeftCoaster

Orr played defence and injuries only allowed him to play 3 seasons.

Orr played defence and injuries only allowed him to play 3 seasons.
- Scooby_Doo

305 points per season from the back end? Wholly, Don Cherry must be right after all.

Orr played defence and injuries only allowed him to play 3 seasons.
- Scooby_Doo

I think it was two and a half, but ya, I get your point.

305 points per season from the back end? Wholly, Don Cherry must be right after all.
- 1970vintage

Be playa evva....

Stanley Cup
Norris
Conn Smythe
Calder
Prince of Wales
Art Ross
Hart

I think it was two and a half, but ya, I get your point.
- LeftCoaster

I was going to say 5 seasons but thought someone might take me seriously, so I went way over the top and said 3. Someone still took me seriously.

I was going to say 5 seasons but thought someone might take me seriously, so I went way over the top and said 3. Someone still took me seriously.
- Scooby_Doo

Are you for real? pro/propaganda Sedin blog? all of what you said is irrelevant in the course of an 82 game schedule. Every player faces the same goalies, players, defense etc - throughout the course of the season. So what exactly are you trying to imply? if what you say is true then virtually every player should have similar success as the Sedins, given they face the exact same players/goalies/defense etc.

The Sedins have proven time and time again that they are Top 20 players going way back, and they continue to be two of the best in the league. What's even more impressive is, they have done this without (for the most part) having a second line to take the pressure of them. Yet, despite being the focus of every team's top checking line they still manage to be very successful.

I suggest you look up the Sedin stats for the last ten years and then revisit this conversation at that time. You are WAY off on your comments that this is a pro Sedin piece without the merit to back it up. It's based on factual data and having watched the Sedins for years and years. So, what else could you possibly need in order to understand that (other than how about actually watching them play)
- Zogg

* standing Wiser's clap*

But it's all a bait-and-switch. Even though Daniel finished tied for eighth in league scoring last season and Henrik was tied 10th, neither twin appears on the magazine's list of the Top 50 players for next season. Jiri Hudler, who tied Daniel with 76 points, is listed at No. 49 while Claude Giroux, who tied Henrik with 73 points, is all the way up at No. 18.

Fifty spots really isn't many for 30 teams. And of course, the rankings are about more than just scoring. But it's disappointing that after all their years of success, the Sedins still don't get the respect around the league that I think they've earned.

what's the issue? the sedins were great players but are obviously declining and past their prime. ppg numbers is no longer a possibility...even 70 might be a stretch now.

why is Giroux even being mentioned as a comparison? i find that more of an issue than the sedins being left off the top 50. as you even mentioned, the rankings are more than just scoring. age obviously plays a big factor, and if these rankings were made 3 years ago i'm sure the sedins would be on it. the fact is the sedins are what, 35 years old this year? if the NHL had a re-draft there would EASILY be 50 players selected before them.


the sedins get a lot of respect, they are great players even off the ice. but just because the sedins have had great success in the past doesnt mean they should be ranked higher in a list that ranks players values going forward.

- 1970vintage

what's the issue? the sedins were great players but are obviously declining and past their prime. ppg numbers is no longer a possibility...even 70 might be a stretch now.

why is Giroux even being mentioned as a comparison? i find that more of an issue than the sedins being left off the top 50. as you even mentioned, the rankings are more than just scoring. age obviously plays a big factor, and if these rankings were made 3 years ago i'm sure the sedins would be on it. the fact is the sedins are what, 35 years old this year? if the NHL had a re-draft there would EASILY be 50 players selected before them.


the sedins get a lot of respect, they are great players even off the ice. but just because the sedins have had great success in the past doesnt mean they should be ranked higher in a list that ranks players values going forward.
- sensnucksnocups

You don't seem to understand the difference between objective and subjective points of view. Perhaps you should google it. There isn't a formula to rank every player in the NHL. You won't even get unanimous agreement on who the best player is. Carol believes the Sedins are still in the top 50 and makes her case for it. That's all.