Tallon passed on Seth Jones.

Kane and Toews were easy decisions

If Tallon would have won that argument the Hawks would still be chasing cups.
- mrpaulish

For what it's worth, Kane wasn't projected to go first overall. Many felt he was too small to make an impact in the NHL, so he was ranked #2, Kyle Turris was ranked #1 in Kane's draft class. So at the time, getting Kane wasn't exactly a easy decision. In hind-sight, yeah, it's a slam dunk, but at the time there were plenty of eyebrows raised.

Good luck with that.
- EnzoD

Last time I checked, Chicago's entire cup winning core was basically drafted and developed.

For what it's worth, Kane wasn't projected to go first overall. Many felt he was too small to make an impact in the NHL, so he was ranked #2, Kyle Turris was ranked #1 in Kane's draft class. So at the time, getting Kane wasn't exactly a easy decision. In hind-sight, yeah, it's a slam dunk, but at the time there were plenty of eyebrows raised.
- Jance

Kinda reminds me of Strome/Marner

For what it's worth, Kane wasn't projected to go first overall. Many felt he was too small to make an impact in the NHL, so he was ranked #2, Kyle Turris was ranked #1 in Kane's draft class. So at the time, getting Kane wasn't exactly a easy decision. In hind-sight, yeah, it's a slam dunk, but at the time there were plenty of eyebrows raised.
- Jance

I think only CSB (Central Scouting Bureau) had Turris going 1st overall. Kane was pretty much consensus number one back then. At least TSN and ISS had Kane projected going number one. I do remember a lot of fans being disappointed that Hawks selected Toews instead of Kessel in 2006. No?

Kane and Toews were easy decisions

If Tallon would have won that argument the Hawks would still be chasing cups.
- mrpaulish

It just amazes how many people over the years have complained about Bowmans moves or non moves, late moves over the years on and on and on, then minimize the Hawks last 2 Cups with his decision making

Last time I checked, Chicago's entire cup winning core was basically drafted and developed.
- JakeTech19

Which year and core?

Sharp, Ladd, Versteeg (sort of core in 10) were trades. Hossa was a free agent. Campbell too. Several other key pieces in each cup year were trade acquisitions (Frolik, Oduya, Leddy).

Many of the current drafted core were "drafted and developed" under other front office regimes.

Not sure you could call any recent contenders "drafted and developed"... they all added key pieces thru trade or free agency. Bob Murray and Yzerman are probably the closest but they certainly aren't afraid to deal for pieces. If I were a Jets fan I would be hoping Chevy knows when to convert some of those prospects into NHL vets as well as developing his own.

Last time I checked, Chicago's entire cup winning core was basically drafted and developed.
- JakeTech19

One word: Hossa

Edit - and another one for up until this summer: Sharp

Wow, is that how you "remember" things? Oh, to be a victim of the mass media machine of spin and lies. The Dixie Chicks justifiably called out the Bush Administration for being LIARS, which they WERE/ARE! How is that bad mouthing "the country"...their courage to speak out against a CORRUPT government is the most PATRIOTIC ACT there is, or don't any of you remember your Founding Fathers??? Anyone who would stop "liking" the Dixie Chicks because of their comments about the Bush Administration are devoid of intelligence and ASLEEP...just the way governments like it.

The entire idea of Nationalism is pure bullpoop and a device used by governments to justify their grotesque existence. The ONLY thing we should EVER be loyal to are the inalienable rights of freedom belonging to ALL HUMAN BEINGS! For those completely caught up in what public schools teach and Newtonian Physics, remember, we are all ONE! The difference in the genetic makeup between an "American" and a "Russian" is essentially NOTHING! In fact, the only reason that humans don't look like fish or reptiles is a subtle fluke of evolution...humans even share 50% of the DNA of a banana! Public schools still teach aspects of Science/Physics that Albert Einstein openly said he was WRONG about. Ever learn about Nikola Tesla or Francois Marie Voltaire in your classroom?

Just do a quick google search on those who historically have opposed the "concept" of nationalism...see if you would rather be on their side, instead of that of the Bushes and Obamas of the world. Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Paine et al would all have supported the comments of the Dixie Chicks, whoever they are.

As Frank Zappa said, the human mind is like a parachute, it has to be open to work.
- MexicoHawk

The point was the girls lost money because of there view point and perception of their fans. Does not matter one bit is they were right or wrong. Entertainment is different than a working class job where you can do things and still fly under the radar. Where you are going with this I have no idea and is way off point. So instead of an open mind try reading back and see the questions that was asked.

Keith
Toews
Kane

Their 3 franchise players were all draft picks as were Seabrook, Hjalmarsson and Byfuglien. That is a core that came from the draft. Add Sharp, to those 6, who they stole from the Flyers when he was young, and that was the mostly homegrown group that started the turnaround that made it worthwhile to go out and get Hossa, Campbell, etc.

The Jets and every other team in the league is looking to do the same. That is how you win in the cap era. You don't win by trading your best prospect for a good (not great) goalie just because he backstopped an excellent team to two cups.

Keith
Toews
Kane

Their 3 franchise players were all draft picks as were Seabrook, Hjalmarsson and Byfuglien. That is a core that came from the draft. Add Sharp, to those 6, who they stole from the Flyers when he was young, and that was the mostly homegrown group that started the turnaround that made it worthwhile to go out and get Hossa, Campbell, etc.

The Jets and every other team in the league is looking to do the same. That is how you win in the cap era. You don't win by trading your best prospect for a good (not great) goalie just because he backstopped an excellent team to two cups.
- Snowblind

Campbell came before the move to contention. Go take a look at the top prospect lists in hockey back in 11 and 12 and see where those players are now - particularly the "top" goalie prospects. Go back even further if you'd like.

Chevy has the luxury of quality and quantity of prospects. If you think he plans on developing even half of those prospects you are naive. Not only doesn't he have the time. He doesn't have enough contract slots. He will parlay some of those prospects and/or future picks into NHL help. It is just a matter of when.

You are correct Crawford is much better than anything they have, but the issue is his contract. The Jets have to watch their pennies and I would think they would rather develop the supposed young stud and reap the benefits of some modest contract years.
- Al

Except Al, Ladd isn't getting any younger and the Jets don't plan to resign Byfuglien, so they are thinking that their chance is to win now...a goalie like Crawford would send that message to the players loudly.

I think only CSB (Central Scouting Bureau) had Turris going 1st overall. Kane was pretty much consensus number one back then. At least TSN and ISS had Kane projected going number one. I do remember a lot of fans being disappointed that Hawks selected Toews instead of Kessel in 2006. No?
- MjulQvist

If Tallon would have taken either Turris or JVR there wouldn't have been one word written here after the Draft that he he chose the wrong player.

I'm not first in line to praise Tallon as a GM...But sticking to his guns and taking Toews when he did and picking Kane the next year were by far his greatest accomplishments.

Except Al, Ladd isn't getting any younger and the Jets don't plan to resign Byfuglien, so they are thinking that their chance is to win now...a goalie like Crawford would send that message to the players loudly.
- MexicoHawk

Agree on Jets having a better chance to win but I don't think Bowman takes the risk in moving Crawford. Bowman's entire world is shaking now and trading a #1 is too much to consider is my guess. I do know Bowman is and always was a huge Crawford fan.

If Tallon would have taken either Turris or JVR there wouldn't have been one word written here after the Draft that he he chose the wrong player.

I'm not first in line to praise Tallon as a GM...But sticking to his guns and taking Toews when he did and picking Kane the next year were by far his greatest accomplishments.
- Al

There were allot of rumours at the time that Bill Wirtz wanted Kessel over Toews and that Tallon defied him and selected Toews.

No way Crawford goes to WPG. Sorry.

Too many reasons why it wont work for either team.

Oh, and the small issue of Crawford agreeing to go.

Can we please put this discussion to rest now?

Wow, is that how you "remember" things? Oh, to be a victim of the mass media machine of spin and lies. The Dixie Chicks justifiably called out the Bush Administration for being LIARS, which they WERE/ARE! How is that bad mouthing "the country"...their courage to speak out against a CORRUPT government is the most PATRIOTIC ACT there is, or don't any of you remember your Founding Fathers??? Anyone who would stop "liking" the Dixie Chicks because of their comments about the Bush Administration are devoid of intelligence and ASLEEP...just the way governments like it.

The entire idea of Nationalism is pure bullpoop and a device used by governments to justify their grotesque existence. The ONLY thing we should EVER be loyal to are the inalienable rights of freedom belonging to ALL HUMAN BEINGS! For those completely caught up in what public schools teach and Newtonian Physics, remember, we are all ONE! The difference in the genetic makeup between an "American" and a "Russian" is essentially NOTHING! In fact, the only reason that humans don't look like fish or reptiles is a subtle fluke of evolution...humans even share 50% of the DNA of a banana! Public schools still teach aspects of Science/Physics that Albert Einstein openly said he was WRONG about. Ever learn about Nikola Tesla or Francois Marie Voltaire in your classroom?

Just do a quick google search on those who historically have opposed the "concept" of nationalism...see if you would rather be on their side, instead of that of the Bushes and Obamas of the world. Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Paine et al would all have supported the comments of the Dixie Chicks, whoever they are.

As Frank Zappa said, the human mind is like a parachute, it has to be open to work.
- MexicoHawk

you are on fire my friend
The real power in this country rests with the people who own the federal reserve. the elected officials are just payed for puppets

you are on fire my friend
The real power in this country rests with the people who own the federal reserve. the elected officials are just payed for puppets
- molly2522

Them and the tinfoil hat manufacturers

http://www.si.com/nhl/201...e-rape-case-investigation

I found this to be an interesting read. If someone else posted this already I apologize for the redundancy. Everyone wants this to be over soon, at least a decision on whether or not charges will be filed. But if you read this article, and if you look at how long the case went on for Drew Doughty, it doesn't appear that a definitive conclusion of the Kane investigation is going to be determined for a while. More than likely after the start of the season.

So how do the Blackhawks proceed with the situation? I don't see where he has any trade value without the determination of whether or not charges will be filed or not. It is also clear that you cannot suspend (league or team) or terminate his contract without any formal charges being filed. In essence, they go into the season with 88 on the right side. I personally don't see how they have any other choice. The question then is how much of a distraction is the investigation and impending results of the investigation to the team and Kane himself? How will he be received by his teammates? How will he be received by the fans?

Another question that I have is how similar is the Kane situation to the Doughty situation? In his case, after hearing Doughty was accused of sexual assault, I never heard anything about it again until I looked it up recently to see how that turned out. For all I know the two situations have nothing in common other than both accused of sexual assault.

Last, if Kane does start the season on the Blackhawks and a determination is made that no charges will be filed, how do you trade him from the team? Let's say it was all made up (which I'm not saying it was), the only thing Kane is guilty of is drinking too much and taking a girl home. Obviously not the smartest thing for a professional athlete to do, but not the first time it has happened either. So how is a guys career and future in jeopardy for an accusation? If charges are filed that's a different story. But right now, it is only an accusation that is under investigation that we may not know the formal outcome for months if not longer.

Tallon passed on Seth Jones.
- mrpaulish

yeah but too early to tell if that was a major blunder or a great decision

DA’s office, Hamburg cops meet with Kane as rape investigation progresses

http://mobile.buffalonews...ation-progresses-20150824

http://www.si.com/nhl/2015/08/21/patrick-kane-rape-case-investigation

I found this to be an interesting read. If someone else posted this already I apologize for the redundancy. Everyone wants this to be over soon, at least a decision on whether or not charges will be filed. But if you read this article, and if you look at how long the case went on for Drew Doughty, it doesn't appear that a definitive conclusion of the Kane investigation is going to be determined for a while. More than likely after the start of the season.

So how do the Blackhawks proceed with the situation? I don't see where he has any trade value without the determination of whether or not charges will be filed or not. It is also clear that you cannot suspend (league or team) or terminate his contract without any formal charges being filed. In essence, they go into the season with 88 on the right side. I personally don't see how they have any other choice. The question then is how much of a distraction is the investigation and impending results of the investigation to the team and Kane himself? How will he be received by his teammates? How will he be received by the fans?

Another question that I have is how similar is the Kane situation to the Doughty situation? In his case, after hearing Doughty was accused of sexual assault, I never heard anything about it again until I looked it up recently to see how that turned out. For all I know the two situations have nothing in common other than both accused of sexual assault.

Last, if Kane does start the season on the Blackhawks and a determination is made that no charges will be filed, how do you trade him from the team? Let's say it was all made up (which I'm not saying it was), the only thing Kane is guilty of is drinking too much and taking a girl home. Obviously not the smartest thing for a professional athlete to do, but not the first time it has happened either. So how is a guys career and future in jeopardy for an accusation? If charges are filed that's a different story. But right now, it is only an accusation that is under investigation that we may not know the formal outcome for months if not longer.
- idelkhntr

You are right on this account but I think that The Hawks have had it with his past off ice shenanigan's and are preparing to possibly move on and trade him.The kid still has mommy and Daddy running interference for him at 27 years old every time he gets in trouble, when confronted by the Hawkbrass in 2012 about his behavior, the parents took the "not my little patty" route he's a good boy, ect. Ect.ect. Bottom line John McDonough has seen enough!

There were allot of rumours at the time that Bill Wirtz wanted Kessel over Toews and that Tallon defied him and selected Toews.
- paulr

I can say this on very good authority that was the case...Wirtz let Tallon make the pick but he was under a lot of pressure to take the goal scorer-Who would sell more tickets.

http://www.si.com/nhl/2015/08/21/patrick-kane-rape-case-investigation

I found this to be an interesting read. If someone else posted this already I apologize for the redundancy. Everyone wants this to be over soon, at least a decision on whether or not charges will be filed. But if you read this article, and if you look at how long the case went on for Drew Doughty, it doesn't appear that a definitive conclusion of the Kane investigation is going to be determined for a while. More than likely after the start of the season.

So how do the Blackhawks proceed with the situation? I don't see where he has any trade value without the determination of whether or not charges will be filed or not. It is also clear that you cannot suspend (league or team) or terminate his contract without any formal charges being filed. In essence, they go into the season with 88 on the right side. I personally don't see how they have any other choice. The question then is how much of a distraction is the investigation and impending results of the investigation to the team and Kane himself? How will he be received by his teammates? How will he be received by the fans?

Another question that I have is how similar is the Kane situation to the Doughty situation? In his case, after hearing Doughty was accused of sexual assault, I never heard anything about it again until I looked it up recently to see how that turned out. For all I know the two situations have nothing in common other than both accused of sexual assault.

Last, if Kane does start the season on the Blackhawks and a determination is made that no charges will be filed, how do you trade him from the team? Let's say it was all made up (which I'm not saying it was), the only thing Kane is guilty of is drinking too much and taking a girl home. Obviously not the smartest thing for a professional athlete to do, but not the first time it has happened either. So how is a guys career and future in jeopardy for an accusation? If charges are filed that's a different story. But right now, it is only an accusation that is under investigation that we may not know the formal outcome for months if not longer.
- idelkhntr

18-A.5 Criminal Investigation. A Player subject to Commissioner Discipline for Off-Ice Conduct may seek a reasonable delay in such proceedings in order to retain and seek the advice of counsel in the event his conduct may also be subject to a criminal investigation by any governmental authority, or in the event of an ongoing civil proceeding where the Player has been named as a defendant. The League may suspend the Player pending the League's formal review and disposition of the matter where the failure to suspend the Player during this period would create a substantial risk of material harm to the legitimate interests and/or reputation of the League.

Wow, is that how you "remember" things? Oh, to be a victim of the mass media machine of spin and lies. The Dixie Chicks justifiably called out the Bush Administration for being LIARS, which they WERE/ARE! How is that bad mouthing "the country"...their courage to speak out against a CORRUPT government is the most PATRIOTIC ACT there is, or don't any of you remember your Founding Fathers??? Anyone who would stop "liking" the Dixie Chicks because of their comments about the Bush Administration are devoid of intelligence and ASLEEP...just the way governments like it.

The entire idea of Nationalism is pure bullpoop and a device used by governments to justify their grotesque existence. The ONLY thing we should EVER be loyal to are the inalienable rights of freedom belonging to ALL HUMAN BEINGS! For those completely caught up in what public schools teach and Newtonian Physics, remember, we are all ONE! The difference in the genetic makeup between an "American" and a "Russian" is essentially NOTHING! In fact, the only reason that humans don't look like fish or reptiles is a subtle fluke of evolution...humans even share 50% of the DNA of a banana! Public schools still teach aspects of Science/Physics that Albert Einstein openly said he was WRONG about. Ever learn about Nikola Tesla or Francois Marie Voltaire in your classroom?

Just do a quick google search on those who historically have opposed the "concept" of nationalism...see if you would rather be on their side, instead of that of the Bushes and Obamas of the world. Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Paine et al would all have supported the comments of the Dixie Chicks, whoever they are.

As Frank Zappa said, the human mind is like a parachute, it has to be open to work.
- MexicoHawk

So wll spoken about the loss of our liberty and the clowns running our government and the media willing to go along with these power mongers. Back to Hockey, I also believe that Kaner has played his last game in Chicago. Alcohol addiction, is very hard to conquer. I think the Hawks organization have been burned by Kaner's drinking episodes once to often...a trade is their only prudent option. Let's hope the incident is settled out of court and Patrick takes hold of his young life and starts out fresh with a new team. It is " now or never " for Kane to admit his vices and commit to serious life changes. I will be praying for him.