dreger

that guy is a complete mook or turd. all i see him doing is regurgitating stuff other people have already reported... he's always getting stuff wrong about the Nux or looks like he's making shiite up on the fly.... the other guys are credible... imo
- kaptaan

Wasn't him either, although I'm told he reads here

Once again, sorry JJ. I need to stop checking back to this page until this goes away. Reading your writing and comment section is basically my escape from work (and a lot of after work) for years now, and this is just beyond frustrating to read about every day at this point. I am looking at it as a hockey fan maybe too much, but blowing up a dynasty is the last thing I want to see. Going back to average, possibly not seeing playoff hockey, and sinking away from the title of cup contenders is not something I'm excited about going back to this soon. As much as this hurts the brand, I'm sure sinking back to mediocrity will hurt as well. Once again, your writing is amazing and I thank you for it. Sorry I snapped.
- LuckyStrikeW

All good here

I've been thinking a great deal about this for as long as the news of this first came out. I know the Hawks have stood by Kane in the past, and they may decide that now is the time to move on, regardless of the outcome of the allegations. However, in the event charges are never filed, or a settlement occurs, I hope that the focus really becomes that this young man needs help, and I pray that Patrick has finally hit a point where he sees it and acknowledges it. While I would be understanding if the team decided to move on, I would hope for a best scenario where 1) PK admits a need for help, 2)Hawks sit him out a season or more to get that help and 3)the Hawks show that the quick and easy road (moving on without him) is not always the best answer.

I get the whole, it's a sport, money, had his chances, not fair to teammates, not fair to the girl (if he's convicted, then that's totally a different story) arguments you can make, and suspect a lot of you will disagree with me, but this is my hope. I love watching and playing hockey as much as anyone, but when it comes to life, it is way too short, and the focus and care that could be demonstrated (and has been in regards to Kane) would set a great example to the league, and it's players. Alcohol addiction is a demon I don't want to see my worst enemy have to endure on any day. I've lived with it in my family, and my heart breaks for PK, and anyone who suffers with this demon. It's easy to say it's a choice, but for any family that has seen their loved one die, and have read their journals during their rehab, you realize differently.
- resqmed99

Just because someone is an idiot doesn't necessarily mean he has addiction problems. Big difference between needing help for chemical dependency and just being a d-bag...or did I miss something?

To state the obvious, everything hinges on what happens with the legal case.

It will be interesting to see what happens between now and training camp - I'm guessing that if nothing happens (i.e., no charges laid), he will be allowed to participate in training camp.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think that depends on what realty is. Right now we have multiple news organization stating that sources are telling them Kane is the subject of a rape investigation. Yet officials have only confirmed they are investigating an incident that took place at Kane's home. Then we have this:

NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told the Chicago Sun-Times in an email on Monday that the league is “following developments” in the police investigation, which reportedly involves Kane and a woman at the 26-year-old’s home last weekend.

“You can assume we are doing everything we need to be doing from the league’s perspective,” said Daly.

The Blackhawks:

"We are aware of the matter and are in the process of gathering information," the team said in a statement Thursday. "It would be inappropriate to comment further at this time."

My guess is both the team and the league know exactly what's being investigated. If Kane is indeed under investigation for rape there's no way he'd be allowed to participate in training camp if the status quo remains the same at that time.

Just because someone is an idiot doesn't necessarily mean he has addiction problems. Big difference between needing help for chemical dependency and just being a d-bag...or did I miss something?
- Ogilthorpe2

I was a page behind catching up and this was my exact thought. I have had aquaintances in the past that are complete douches and were not addicts. I for one think the guy is douche.

Wasn't him either, although I'm told he reads here
- John Jaeckel

JJ, i wouldn't be surprised that loser, dreger, comes here to find out what's going on in the Hawks world. i bet he never credits the fact, he got the info from here to confirm or find out about stuff either...

he's 'reported' things from Vancity that were already reported in the local Vancouver media without crediting anyone... as far as I have seen.

I despise that joker....

Kane put himself in a situation where his name is being dragged through the mud. Of course the Team's Executives are annoyed, or worse. And remember no matter what happens there will be some who view him as guilty, justified or otherwise. Kane is such an idiot for putting himself in this situation. McDonough has nothing to do with any of this, Kane is fully responsible for this dilemma, I just hope he didn't do what he's being accused of.
- paulr

Agreed that Kane is a fool and yes he has shed some very negative light on both himself and the organization. That being said, the "trade away your franchise player" (even though he hasnt been charged with a crime) commentary is frustrating. We are talking about a player that is unmatched in puck skills and led the league in points just last season before his injury. A guy that has been the focal point of 3 Stanley Cups. Kane has not had an "incident" since 2012 and 2009 before that. With this latest Alcohol induced "incident", there is now a definite trend in behavior. However, it clearly has not impacted his on ice performance.

This is a performance-based business. All those who want Kane gone, WITHOUT A CRIMINAL CHARGE, may sit on their high horse of morality and conscience....BUT, how great will you feel when the Hawks trade Kane for a 2016 1st and a Regular Joe NHL Prospect? How will you feel when the Wins are more scarce and the highlight reel plays are gone? How will you feel when this is the last championship in the Toews-Kane-Keith era bc he "made the Hawks look bad" for a few months. IF, Kane is not charged, he cannot be traded. IF he is charged and this goes to court, I agree that he will be gone..and it will, at that point, be the appropriate action. Until charges are pressed, this trade Kane talk is complete blashphemy IMO.

All good here
- John Jaeckel

That Giordano deal has to be great news for the Hawks. 6 years 6.75m cap hit.

Really hope this gets the Seabs deal done under $7m. Hard to imagine why Giordano settled for less than Boychuck. Assume it was for the extra year.

Just because someone is an idiot doesn't necessarily mean he has addiction problems. Big difference between needing help for chemical dependency and just being a d-bag...or did I miss something?
- Ogilthorpe2

No, but repeatedly getting into serious trouble while drinking, sometimes while clearly intoxicated, promising not to, then repeating the behavior suggests more than run of the mill douchebaggery, doesn't it?

JJ, i wouldn't be surprised that loser, dreger, comes here to find out what's going on in the Hawks world. i bet he never credits the fact, he got the info from here to confirm or find out about stuff either...

he's 'reported' things from Vancity that were already reported in the local Vancouver media without crediting anyone... as far as I have seen.

I despise that joker....
- kaptaan

Dunno, someone posting here right now knows him and says he read a lot of the playoff series updates this Spring—and told him so, FWIW.

Agreed that Kane is a fool and yes he has shed some very negative light on both himself and the organization. That being said, the "trade away your franchise player" (even though he hasnt been charged with a crime) commentary is frustrating. We are talking about a player that is unmatched in puck skills and led the league in points just last season before his injury. A guy that has been the focal point of 3 Stanley Cups. Kane has not had an "incident" since 2012 and 2009 before that. With this latest Alcohol induced "incident", there is now a definite trend in behavior. However, it clearly has not impacted his on ice performance.

This is a performance-based business. All those who want Kane gone, WITHOUT A CRIMINAL CHARGE, may sit on their high horse of morality and conscience....BUT, how great will you feel when the Hawks trade Kane for a 2016 1st and a Regular Joe NHL Prospect? How will you feel when the Wins are more scarce and the highlight reel plays are gone? How will you feel when this is the last championship in the Toews-Kane-Keith era bc he "made the Hawks look bad" for a few months. IF, Kane is not charged, he cannot be traded. IF he is charged and this goes to court, I agree that he will be gone..and it will, at that point, be the appropriate action. Until charges are pressed, this trade Kane talk is complete blashphemy IMO.
- EnzoD

I wouldn't worry too much about him being traded.

He's untradeable at this point.

No GM is going to give up a bag of pucks for a guy who is currently being investigated for something that has the potential to have him go to prison for up to 35 years.

Bottom line: he's a Blackhawk until something happens in this case to make the future more clear. And according to SI, that could take a while:

http://www.si.com/nhl/201...e-rape-case-investigation

Agreed that Kane is a fool and yes he has shed some very negative light on both himself and the organization. That being said, the "trade away your franchise player" (even though he hasnt been charged with a crime) commentary is frustrating. We are talking about a player that is unmatched in puck skills and led the league in points just last season before his injury. A guy that has been the focal point of 3 Stanley Cups. Kane has not had an "incident" since 2012 and 2009 before that. With this latest Alcohol induced "incident", there is now a definite trend in behavior. However, it clearly has not impacted his on ice performance.

This is a performance-based business. All those who want Kane gone, WITHOUT A CRIMINAL CHARGE, may sit on their high horse of morality and conscience....BUT, how great will you feel when the Hawks trade Kane for a 2016 1st and a Regular Joe NHL Prospect? How will you feel when the Wins are more scarce and the highlight reel plays are gone? How will you feel when this is the last championship in the Toews-Kane-Keith era bc he "made the Hawks look bad" for a few months. IF, Kane is not charged, he cannot be traded. IF he is charged and this goes to court, I agree that he will be gone..and it will, at that point, be the appropriate action. Until charges are pressed, this trade Kane talk is complete blashphemy IMO.
- EnzoD

Few Hawk fans want Kane to be traded but many, myself included, believe he may get moved even if he is ultimately not charged with anything. From what I have read I think Hawk Management has had enough of his immaturity and his reluctance to use his brain and grow up.

Few Hawk fans want Kane to be traded but many, myself included, believe he may get moved even if he is ultimately not charged with anything. From what I have read I think Hawk Management has had enough of his immaturity and his reluctance to use his brain and grow up.
- paulr

See Seguin, Tyler

I wouldn't worry too much about him being traded.

He's untradeable at this point.

No GM is going to give up a bag of pucks for a guy who is currently being investigated for something that has the potential to have him go to prison for up to 35 years.

Bottom line: he's a Blackhawk until something happens in this case to make the future more clear. And according to SI, that could take a while:

http://www.si.com/nhl/201...e-rape-case-investigation
- Atomic Wedgie

100% true.

No, but repeatedly getting into serious trouble while drinking, sometimes while clearly intoxicated, promising not to, then repeating the behavior suggests more than run of the mill douchebaggery, doesn't it?
- John Jaeckel

It sure does.

That Giordano deal has to be great news for the Hawks. 6 years 6.75m cap hit.

Really hope this gets the Seabs deal done under $7m. Hard to imagine why Giordano settled for less than Boychuck. Assume it was for the extra year.
- tredbrta

Based on what I've heard, I would rough guess Seabrook comes in at 5 years, $6 million per

Based on what I've heard, I would rough guess Seabrook comes in at 5 years, $6 million per
- John Jaeckel

That would be a solid deal for both sides. Really glad Giordano's deal may have returned some sanity to the d market.

I was thinking Roenick after JR popped off, but Belfour too.
- 6628

Both and Chelios in some ways too...Thou shall not blaspheme!

When the Belfour incident happened I parked in the lot at Gate 3 1/2 where players parked too. Belfour would park his little Subaru I think it was at that time...

When things were swirling I pulled in and talked to the guy who ran the lot and asked where''s Belfour? He said Belfour won't be allowed back in the building...I chuckled and said seriously?

He said yes and he was told to not allow him in and that Belfour will never be allowed back....Belfour was dealt a short time later and only until recently was he welcomed back.

Loyalty was paramount to Bill Wirtz which also led to much of his dysfunction...As performance didn't matter as much as staying loyal. Much of the reason the Hawks had the worst scouts in hockey for decades...

Few Hawk fans want Kane to be traded but many, myself included, believe he may get moved even if he is ultimately not charged with anything. From what I have read I think Hawk Management has had enough of his immaturity and his reluctance to use his brain and grow up.
- paulr

I dont doubt JJ's insight into the Hawks' Management and their thoughts at this time. While we still have no idea what will happen from a legal standpoint, I adamently disagree with trading/voiding Kane's contract IF he is not charged with a crime. Has he had his issues in the past? Yes. Is this a MAJOR headache and rain cloud over the most recent Stanley Cup? yes. Do the Hawks win ANY Stanley Cups without Patrick Kane? Probably not. Will the Hawks win another Cup in the next 5 years without Patrick Kane? Probably not. I rest my case(all contingent upon no criminal charges). The Hawks SHOULD NOT trade 88, despite all the negative publicity this situation has caused. He is too valuable on the ice and, how would it look for the Hawks to turn their backs on the Man that re-made their franchise? I think this is a time where the Hawks should be supporting Kane, as Rocky did during his Cup day, until charges are laid. At that time, if they completely cut the cord I would not be surprised or question their decision.

See Seguin, Tyler
- Atomic Wedgie

Sequin was a completely different case. Boston has shown time and time again it has no patience with younger star type players.

I think that depends on what realty is. Right now we have multiple news organization stating that sources are telling them Kane is the subject of a rape investigation. Yet officials have only confirmed they are investigating an incident that took place at Kane's home. Then we have this:

NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told the Chicago Sun-Times in an email on Monday that the league is “following developments” in the police investigation, which reportedly involves Kane and a woman at the 26-year-old’s home last weekend.

“You can assume we are doing everything we need to be doing from the league’s perspective,” said Daly.

The Blackhawks:

"We are aware of the matter and are in the process of gathering information," the team said in a statement Thursday. "It would be inappropriate to comment further at this time."

My guess is both the team and the league know exactly what's being investigated. If Kane is indeed under investigation for rape there's no way he'd be allowed to participate in training camp if the status quo remains the same at that time.
- walleyeb1

I think Kane has been the "subject" from the beginning but it was also wrongly reported he was the target.

Based on what I've heard, I would rough guess Seabrook comes in at 5 years, $6 million per
- John Jaeckel

Or a longer deal that ends about the same time as Keith.

Just because someone is an idiot doesn't necessarily mean he has addiction problems. Big difference between needing help for chemical dependency and just being a d-bag...or did I miss something?
- Ogilthorpe2

Addiction is a much better fit with the Kane as a victim narrative that keeps coming up; a victim of an extorting gold digger, a slanderous press or the demon alcohol.

Sequin was a completely different case. Boston has shown time and time again it has no patience with younger star type players.
- paulr

What had Tyler Seguin done at that point in his career? Had he been a Conn Smythe winner and integral contributor to 3 Stanley Cups? No, he was a player that regressed after an outstanding rookie year and did not have the Resume Patrick Kane has

Addiction is a much better fit with the Kane as a victim narrative that keeps coming up; a victim of an extorting gold digger, a slanderous press or the demon alcohol.
- Canada Cup

Judge and Jury Canada Cup here for his daily "Kane is likely a Rapist" contribution. Appreciated as always.