I predict 150 hits in response to this statement.
- RickJ

Sure, because there is no player or combination of players alive who could possibly equal or replace the contribution of "Kaner."

That's what everyone hopes. But theres no way to know for sure if that happens or not yet.

TT kicked ass in the playoffs kinda, but its a small sample size, and he's not a proven commodity yet.
- BlazinMike

Maybe not this year, dunno, but he definitely has significant NHL upside, and my personal opinion it is highest as a RW. A playmaking RW. Maybe he will surprise me and grow a lot as a C, get much better on draws, but . . .

We might.

For me and some others, (and I think most of all the Hawks) the Kane issue is bigger than this latest incident in New York. Someone nailed it earlier—he keeps putting himself in these situations.

What few people know however, but the Hawks do, are all the details and backstory on the previous situations.

And the circumstances and people who help get Kane in these situations.

Something will need to dramatically, meaningfully change or even an "exoneration," if that's fully possible at this point, won't matter.

In my opinion, and it's just my opinion, getting "out" of this might not be as good for Kane as a person and as an asset to an NHL team in the long run as finally having to face some consequences for his actions.
- John Jaeckel

If he's not charged and walks away some have said he will be suspended by the league and Hawks. There is no way the NHL could suspend him if there is no charge but the Hawks certainly could, as Mex says, it is in his contract to abide by the Hawk rules then they will do it but not long enough to hurt their Cup chances. They are not so goody goody to hurt those chances, IMO

Plug TT in at 2RW (which may be his best position anyway) for a full season, and a fair amount of it (at least) gets made up.
- John Jaeckel

I think that's right JJ. And Plug Panarin in on LW and some of Sharp gets replaced too. Maybe all of his goal scoring last year, which was down.

Sayers better than Walter?
- BlazinMike

Would have been - just a terrific runner, speed, strength, quickness.

Not quite as punishing as Peyton, but then, no one could catch him to test it.

Bobby Douglas - great running back, could have been an excellent tight end. Quarterback? Shotgun arm, always at one speed.

You need to go back to Luckman for a generational QB.

Would have been - just a terrific runner, speed, strength, quickness.

Not quite as punishing as Peyton, but then, no one could catch him to test it.

Bobby Douglas - great running back, could have been an excellent tight end. Quarterback? Shotgun arm, always at one speed.

You need to go back to Luckman for a generational QB.
- StLBravesFan

You are forgetting Rudy Buckich

You are forgetting Rudy Buckich
- Maggie

Yeah, but I haven't forgotten Ed Brown and Zeke Bratkowski.

I think that's right JJ. And Plug Panarin in on LW and some of Sharp gets replaced too. Maybe all of his goal scoring last year, which was down.
- DirkGraham

Panarin might end up scoring a LOT of goals in the NHL and in a lot of different ways. Sharpie was a nice do it all kind of forward who could score for sure. The Hawks are SKY high on Panarin and the tape thats out there suggests why.

i will just say, for all the plays he makes at high speed and with finish, I saw one where he took a puck from a guy down low, used his body to shield the guy off and then scored a goal that i thought was pretty remarkable, because those are NHL-style goals.

Marko Dano too. There are NHL people who think the Hawks stole him from CBJ FWIW, and that's taking the return into account. Dano ALSO projects at RW.

Players don't win championships, organizations do.
- Jerry Krause
- Cmonalready

How any many Championships have the Bulls won without Jordan-Pippen?

So if he wasn't right, then he was wrong? Right?

I know this is a popular meme (organization trumps all, parts don't matter).
However, I would say it's been proved false more often than true. At least inasmuch as I can tell from the sporting world -- it's typically 1 or 2 key players that matter. Yes the organization must also be right but without those players, nothing in terms of ultimate prize is won.

Pippen w/o Jordan?
Hawks w/o Hull?

Only way I see this working is if an EQUAL replacement gets plugged in.
Take away Favre, plug in Rodgers.

No?
- savvyone-1

As long as the word after EQUAL can be plural.

Would have been - just a terrific runner, speed, strength, quickness.

Not quite as punishing as Peyton, but then, no one could catch him to test it.

Bobby Douglas - great running back, could have been an excellent tight end. Quarterback? Shotgun arm, always at one speed.

You need to go back to Luckman for a generational QB.
- StLBravesFan

Sayers was a different runner, a lot faster. More like Barry Sanders.

Would have been - just a terrific runner, speed, strength, quickness.

Not quite as punishing as Peyton, but then, no one could catch him to test it.

Bobby Douglas - great running back, could have been an excellent tight end. Quarterback? Shotgun arm, always at one speed.

You need to go back to Luckman for a generational QB.
- StLBravesFan

I was at Soldier Field once where the Bears botched an extra point kick, Douglass took the ball and threw to Butkus in the end zone for the extra point, versus the Redskins. Also saw both guys play at Wrigley versus the packers. Man, that was a long time ago.

Walter Payton was the best all around football player I ever saw, he could throw the ball and punt it 70 yards. And he could throw a tackle like nobody's business.

Gale Sayers was brilliant, too.

You didn't qualify it. Sayers was better than all of them.
- TTtime

In what way(s)? Different players, totally different players.

Panarin might end up scoring a LOT of goals in the NHL and in a lot of different ways. Sharpie was a nice do it all kind of forward who could score for sure. The Hawks are SKY high on Panarin and the tape thats out there suggests why.

i will just say, for all the plays he makes at high speed and with finish, I saw one where he took a puck from a guy down low, used his body to shield the guy off and then scored a goal that i thought was pretty remarkable, because those are NHL-style goals.

Marko Dano too. There are NHL people who think the Hawks stole him from CBJ FWIW, and that's taking the return into account. Dano ALSO projects at RW.
- John Jaeckel

If he's an effective player, couldn't he thrive on either the left or right side? I never understood that about projections of players. Saying he would be best on the left or right wing specifically, but not both.

I was at Soldier Field once where the Bears botched an extra point kick, Douglass took the ball and threw to Butkus in the end zone for the extra point, versus the Redskins. Also saw both guys play at Wrigley versus the packers. Man, that was a long time ago.

Walter Payton was the best all around football player I ever saw, he could throw the ball and punt it 70 yards. And he could throw a tackle like nobody's business.

Gale Sayers was brilliant, too.
- John Jaeckel

Remember a couple of those games too.

And he could run over a tackler like nobody's biz either. Stiff arm his way to an extra couple yards.

Funny thing about Douglass is that he kept the ball out of the stands.

Sayers better than Walter?
- BlazinMike

Yes. Sayers was a threat to score every time he touched the ball. He also returned kickoffs and punts.

Walter was the best football player I ever have seen. As a RB? Sayers was better.

As long as the word after EQUAL can be plural.
- blackhawk24

Absolutely and likely will be plural.
Multiple players, multiple help + cap relief.

My own hope is (presuming he is not charged) he goes voluntarily into a rehab program and doesn't come back until January at the earliest. Presuming that is enough time but I have no experience to know.

I don't know what can be done, though, about a 10cent brain where it says, gee, I am going to make $13M from the Hawks this year in pay + buckets more in various endorsements, I need to keep ALL of my personal life out of any papers or social media. Even if that means you pay several people $100K to keep this crap from happening.

That part I simply don't get.

Says you. He may have been too but durability was not on his side.
- HawkintheD

Medicine wasn't on his side. In those days a knee injury was pretty much the end of a career. Sayers came back after that and rushed for a 1000 yards when it meant something.

I still do not understand how IF he is innocent, Kane did anything at all wrong. IF Kane is innocent, all he did was have a few drinks, bring a chick back to his house, with an off-duty cop as his escort. Do not understand all the vitriol, IF he is innocent. (Which it pretty much sounds like he is.)

All of his past "embarrassments" are all just part and parcel of someone who enjoys the nightlife. NONE of that is out of line among the beer-drinking bar-hopping lifestyle. Seen it all a hundred times and done much of it myself. (sometimes ashamedly so)
- mcmasterkev

The problem is we'll never know if he's innocent, unless the woman recants. There will always be a level of doubt.

If he's an effective player, couldn't he thrive on either the left or right side? I never understood that about projections of players. Saying he would be best on the left or right wing specifically, but not both.
- BlazinMike

Typically this is all about catching and shooting the puck.
Playing your off-wing allows you to one-time the puck easily.
Playing the wing on your shooting side (right shot, right side) means having to catch a pass, THEN shoot.

It's a totally different dynamic as a player.
Plus, there is also the aspect of board play and comfort/ability to catch a pass in flight on your backhand versus forehand.

IMO, these 2 things are what someone looks at to make a statement about it.
Some players become far less effective in one of those situations opposite of where they have previously had most experience and have been most effective.

In what way(s)? Different players, totally different players.
- blackhawk24

They played the same position though. Sayers didn't have to run through tackles because of his speed but could when he had to.

I was at Soldier Field once where the Bears botched an extra point kick, Douglass took the ball and threw to Butkus in the end zone for the extra point, versus the Redskins. Also saw both guys play at Wrigley versus the packers. Man, that was a long time ago.

Walter Payton was the best all around football player I ever saw, he could throw the ball and punt it 70 yards. And he could throw a tackle like nobody's business.

Gale Sayers was brilliant, too.
- John Jaeckel

Sweetness was the best all round, period. Not to mention his teammates loved him for his tough, hard working team first attitude while still remaining quiet and humble. Not to mention the pranks.
A hall of fame NHL coach once said about one of his hall of fame NHL defenceman:" He shows up, shuts up, works hard and goes home." The ultimate team player and professional. These are words all of us should go by, no matter what you do. Anyone know who that was?

With cash settlements?
- John Jaeckel

Is that true .? or just more Rampant hearsay

Its been a while since we did a pool .

If Kane gets TRADED , big IF , IF KANE GETS traded , where do you guess he ends up ?


I'll start the guessing with the :

NEW YORK RANGERS .
- mrpaulish

Anyone take New Jersey yet? I could see Shero going for it considering NJ's distinct lack of offensive fire power

Panarin might end up scoring a LOT of goals in the NHL and in a lot of different ways. Sharpie was a nice do it all kind of forward who could score for sure. The Hawks are SKY high on Panarin and the tape thats out there suggests why.

i will just say, for all the plays he makes at high speed and with finish, I saw one where he took a puck from a guy down low, used his body to shield the guy off and then scored a goal that i thought was pretty remarkable, because those are NHL-style goals.

Marko Dano too. There are NHL people who think the Hawks stole him from CBJ FWIW, and that's taking the return into account. Dano ALSO projects at RW.
- John Jaeckel

Am I out of line to say that Arty Panarin reminds me a little of... can I say it? Pavel B? not projecting him to be that good necessarily, but they way he moves is familiar.